So, it's either Flood or Schiano?!? That's it?

[zazoo2002]

SMH. If Flood is terminated, I hope RU conducts a thorough search for a new coach. Otherwise, sounds like we'll be paying Schiano at least 3x what Flood is currently making, for, on average, likely one more win a year.

I'd love to believe that Schiano has grown, been humbled, etc. But with an ego the size of his, I'm highly doubtful that this is the case and truly believe that we can find a Coach - not named Schiano - with more upside over the long-term.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

I don't understand why some people here can't think outside the box. Last time JH had a list, GS name was not on it, thankfully.

Hopefully that will be true again, if you are not willing to make a big splash hire then why bother? It is just going to be 2nd verse , same as the 1st.

Just like the countless fire schiano threads were replaced by countless fire flood threads.

 

[rufeelinit]

Well the circumstances are different with schiano being available I too want a thorough search but don't expect us to break the bank to find a name replacement

 

[Knight Shift]

Schiano will be in the $2.5 to 3 million per year range. Is that cheap?

 

[ruready07]

Schiano will be in the $2.5 to 3 million per year range. Is that cheap?

For an NFL coach and the guy who built the program, I'd say it's very cheap. And what's an extra million or so in the grand scheme ? We, like so many other programs, already lose/spend money by the boat load - so let it ride and let's take a shot.
This is a once in a lifetime opportunity type hire, if it doesn't work, then we can go for someone else - but to not give it a shot doesn't make sense. We could literally hire anybody from an elite high school coach to an up and coming college coordinator to an NFL coach and it wouldn't change our risk factor at all. Go get Greg and let's see what happens

 

[MozRU]

Why do you guys think he wants to come back??????????????????????????

JC!!!!!!!!!!!! Let it go.

Bo Pelini

 

[Dr. Potato]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Carey

 

[WhiteBus]

No one says it has to be Schiano but it's apparent that Flood isn't the guy for Rutgers

 

[ruready07]

Why do you guys think he wants to come back??????????????????????????

JC!!!!!!!!!!!! Let it go.

Bo Pelini

Hey, you're right. But if could make it work we should. And a head coaching job in the B1G is a great job for a guy who's been out of coaching for a few years .

 

[rutgersguy1]

No one says it has to be Schiano but it's apparent that Flood isn't the guy for Rutgers

Sure about that? A lot of people here seem to post like it's some binary option and like Schiano is the only other reasonable option if not Flood.

 

[devoted2ru]

No one says it has to be Schiano but it's apparent that Flood isn't the guy for Rutgers

Agree. It absolutely doesn't have to be GS, but to me Flood has lost so much credibility as a result of his own actions that I don't see how he can recruit and do his job effectively going forward.

The thing KF really had going for him was his image of doing everything aboveboard and always abiding by the rules. With that moral capital in his pocket, he could comfortably tell recruits and their parents that at RU we do things the right way, do things by the book, and we instill character in teenagers as they grow into young men.

How does he do that now that he himself knowingly, willingly, and even, in an amateurish way, surreptitiously attempted to circumvent clearly defined university policy? It'll make whatever he says about teaching young guys how to make correct decisions in life ring exceedingly hollow.

Also, a coach doing something he's fully aware is wrong in order to keep one player eligible has the tinge of a desperate move by a desperate guy, and I doubt that kind of thing leaves a positive impression in the minds of prospects. -And while he's put together a nice class for 2016 as thing stand right now, we've all seen before how a promising class can vanish by the time we reach LOI day.

I have absolutely nothing against Kyle Flood as a person...at all. I'm sure he'd be a good guy to have as a friend; someone you'd enjoy having a beer with and shooting the breeze. -But Kyle Flood the Rutgers HC, for the reasons stated above, is an entirely different matter.

 

[Knight Shift]

Rod Carey.
Rod Carey.
Rod Carey.

NIU
2013-12-2, 8-0 in conference. Beat Iowa and Purdue.
2014 11-3, 7-1 in conference. Beat Northwestern
Played tOSU to the end on Saturday. Loved the defense he ran against them. If he can get MAC talent to play up to tOSU and beat other B1G teams, he surely can recruit and get talent to do the same at Rutgers. He's making under $600,000 if internet sources are correct.

The history of MAC coaches moving up and succeeding is there. Brian Kelly, Mark Dantonio and others.

 

[Knight Shift]

Rod Carey. Here is the box score from Saturday. Impressive.
N Ill OH St
First Downs 10 14
Total Yards 190 298
Turnovers 2 5
First Downs 10 14
Passes for First 4 6
Rushes for First 6 8
Penalties for First 0 0
Third Down Efficiency 6-20 2-13
Fourth Down Efficiency 0-2 0-2

 

[rutgersguy1]

Rod Carey.
Rod Carey.
Rod Carey.

NIU
2013-12-2, 8-0 in conference. Beat Iowa and Purdue.
2014 11-3, 7-1 in conference. Beat Northwestern
Played tOSU to the end on Saturday. Loved the defense he ran against them. If he can get MAC talent to play up to tOSU and beat other B1G teams, he surely can recruit and get talent to do the same at Rutgers. He's making under $600,000 if internet sources are correct.

The history of MAC coaches moving up and succeeding is there. Brian Kelly, Mark Dantonio and others.

Brian Kelly/Dantonio moved up to a high mid major in Cincy. I'd consider the MAC to be low mid major. That is a difference for me. Kelly was at CMU and Dantonio was a coordinator so there was that intermediate step at high mid major before they made the P5.

Carey is someone I'd think about but he wasn't the one who recruited a lot of the players. It was Jerry Kill and Dave Doeren who's at NC State now. He actually was thrust into the role after Doren left because I think the intended replacement was battling cancer and unfortunately lost that battle. The records are great but again just need more time for me. Want to see it with his players, if he'd been around there for 4-5 years and doing this I'd feel better. I do like they that transitioned from Jordan Lynch as qb to Hare and seem to still be marching along.

 

[Knight Shift]

Brian Kelly/Dantonio moved up to a high mid major in Cincy. I'd consider the MAC to be low mid major. That is a difference for me. Kelly was at CMU and Dantonio was a coordinator so there was that intermediate step at high mid major before they made the P5.

Carey is someone I'd think about but he wasn't the one who recruited a lot of the players. It was Jerry Kill and Dave Doeren who's at NC State now. He actually was thrust into the role after Doren left because I think the intended replacement was battling cancer and unfortunately lost that battle. The records are great but again just need more time for me. Want to see it with his players, if he'd been around there for 4-5 years and doing this I'd feel better. I do like they that transitioned from Jordan Lynch as qb to Hare and seem to still be marching along.

Yet some here seriously would consider PJ Fleck. I would take Carey 10X over Fleck without thinking about it.

Take Carey and his Offensive Coordinator, Bob Cole, who went to Widener and has been OC since 2011. He's from Allentown, Pa area. His DC has been DC since 2011. His RB coach is from Miami.
His recruiting coordinator coaches at Nebraska and Indiana.
Wide receivers coach went to UCF and is from Florida.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Yet some here seriously would consider PJ Fleck. I would take Carey 10X over Fleck without thinking about it.

Take Carey and his Offensive Coordinator, Bob Cole, who went to Widener and has been OC since 2011. He's from Allentown, Pa area. His DC has been DC since 2011. His RB coach is from Miami.
His recruiting coordinator coaches at Nebraska and Indiana.
Wide receivers coach went to UCF and is from Florida.

I'd take him over Fleck any day of the week and twice on "Saturdays" As you can tell from my pretend AD cap in all these threads Fleck isn't on my radar at all.

Names like Carey/Frost and such are ones I'd consider it's just that the experience isn't long enough yet to make me confident. Fleck's antics and the fact that I'm not sure how much coaching acumen is inside that body of his keep him off my radar. If he had the antics and I thought there was some substance behind it, I could tolerate it. But I don't see it. He might out recruit the MAC. He's not out recruiting the B10, he's going to need some coaching chops.

 

[mikefla]

Schiano isnt coming here and if Flood has any sense his resume has already been sent out to get out of this present dumpster fire,

There isnt a name coach on the planet that would come here for any amount of money given how the admin and the fans dont support its coaches.Why would a big name jeopardise his legacy to come here?

Happens EVERY time there is an opening
1-we get a few names we have actually heard of use us contract leverage where they already coach
2-then we get a list of hopeful people who we dont really want.

3-Then we settle for whoever is willing to come here.

That how we got our last 6 coache

WE are prob slightly more attractive now that we are B10...but we will likely get an untested "up and commer" from some eastern shool (Bucknell comes to mind) Or promote an asst,,oh wait,e DID that...

 

[ScarletCrimson]

zap, why so much schiano hate?

 

[Knight Shift]

Schiano isnt coming here and if Flood has any sense his resume has already been sent out to get out of this present dumpster fire,

There isnt a name coach on the planet that would come here for any amount of money given how the admin and the fans dont support its coaches.Why would a big name jeopardise his legacy to come here?

Happens EVERY time there is an opening
1-we get a few names we have actually heard of use us contract leverage where they already coach
2-then we get a list of hopeful people who we dont really want.

3-Then we settle for whoever is willing to come here.

That how we got our last 6 coache

WE are prob slightly more attractive now that we are B10...but we will likely get an untested "up and commer" from some eastern shool (Bucknell comes to mind) Or promote an asst,,oh wait,e DID that...

So on that basis, the lead candidates are Norries Wilson, Joe Rossi, Bob Frasier and McDaniels.

Take a shot with a HC at a MAC school. Maybe Pete Lembo is worth a look. Went to high school in Staten Island, solid record at Lehigh, did OK at Elon, and now at Ball State. Last year not a good record, and lost to Army, but his body of work is decent.

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

These are the two options for a new coach I like.

1) Bring back Schiano. He built the program, knows how the NJ system works, Knows the HS coaches, Knows the Key political people in Trenton, Knows the NY media market. Plus, I think Greg has grown from his experience in the NFL and will not be quite the micro manager he was his first go around. He will bring instant credibility back to the program; He built it once when he was a young inexperienced HC, now he has been an HC for many years both in college and the pros.
With that said, he will not come cheap. I am guessing 2-3 million per year to start. With success incentives it could go much higher. I think it is worth the risk to bring greg back. He ran a tight ship, Had a relatively successful program and when he left was starting to attract the top caliber(4 & 5 stars) players.

2) Hire a young up and coming coach from a lower division who has a successful track record of building a program from the ground up. We found our current wrestling coach in the NJ High schools. He has done a great job. The Jump from HS to college is too great, going to a lower college division to find a coach who has turned a program around could be a solution. Urban Meyer I believe started as a HC at the division II level and now he is top dog in all of CFB. We can get a younger coach for less money but will have an unproven record at this level. Less money more downside potential if it doesn't pan out.

 

[zazoo2002]

Certainly a concern. Disappointing situation, in that I thought KF was starting to make nice progress as a head coach. Schiano is a known entity, with a nice legacy. I just don't think that he's capable of taking the program to the next level. If hired, I hope to eat crow. Lots of it!

 

[S.B. Crumb]

Rod Carey.
Rod Carey.
Rod Carey.

NIU
2013-12-2, 8-0 in conference. Beat Iowa and Purdue.
2014 11-3, 7-1 in conference. Beat Northwestern
Played tOSU to the end on Saturday. Loved the defense he ran against them. If he can get MAC talent to play up to tOSU and beat other B1G teams, he surely can recruit and get talent to do the same at Rutgers. He's making under $600,000 if internet sources are correct.

The history of MAC coaches moving up and succeeding is there. Brian Kelly, Mark Dantonio and others.

Knight Shift, I don't know if you've seen, but I'm also on the Rod Carey bandwagon.

And rutgersguy1, you have a point that they are not all his recruits, but keep in mind this is a program that was regularly recruiting in or near near the 100s even before he took over. He is getting terrific results out of nothing, his recruits or not. To produce teams nearly as good or better RU the past three years by the computer rankings very is impressive (even last year! a year some of our fan still misguidedly drool over). Also, I'd disagree NIU is low mid-major.

If he maintained even a portion of his current 2+ to 1 team ranking to recruiting ranking at RU, he would produce extremely competitive teams here. We're not going to recruit lights out regardless, we need a guy who can COACH first and foremost.

I will say though that I do like Frost also. Another name I like that I never ever hear for any opening anywhere is Ken Niumatalolo (Navy coach and Paul Johnson protege), although I don't know if people here would have the stomach for the triple option and growing pains that would come with it. For me though, I like winning >>>>>>>>>style.

 

[Knight Shift]

Knight Shift, I don't know if you've seen, but I'm also on the Rod Carey bandwagon.

And rutgersguy1, you have a point that they are not all his recruits, but keep in mind this is a program that was regularly recruiting in or near near the 100s even before he took over. He is getting terrific results out of nothing, his recruits or not. To produce teams nearly as good or better RU the past three years by the computer rankings very is impressive (even last year! a year some of our fan still misguidedly drool over). Also, I'd disagree NIU is low mid-major.

If he maintained even a portion of his current 2+ to 1 team ranking to recruiting ranking at RU, he would produce extremely competitive teams here. We're not going to recruit lights out regardless, we need a guy who can COACH first and foremost.

I will say though that I do like Frost also. Another name I like that I never ever hear for any opening anywhere is Ken Niumatalolo (Navy coach and Paul Johnson protege), although I don't know if people here would have the stomach for the triple option and growing pains that would come with it. For me though, I like winning >>>>>>>>>style.

I regret to inform you, but the administration frowns upon winning. :flush:

 

[B0ski]

Schiano isnt coming here and if Flood has any sense his resume has already been sent out to get out of this present dumpster fire,

There isnt a name coach on the planet that would come here for any amount of money given how the admin and the fans dont support its coaches.Why would a big name jeopardise his legacy to come here?

Happens EVERY time there is an opening
1-we get a few names we have actually heard of use us contract leverage where they already coach
2-then we get a list of hopeful people who we dont really want.

3-Then we settle for whoever is willing to come here.

That how we got our last 6 coache

WE are prob slightly more attractive now that we are B10...but we will likely get an untested "up and commer" from some eastern shool (Bucknell comes to mind) Or promote an asst,,oh wait,e DID that...

LOL- Flood is the dumpster fire!!!! There will not be a legitimate program out there who wants this guy.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Knight Shift, I don't know if you've seen, but I'm also on the Rod Carey bandwagon.

And rutgersguy1, you have a point that they are not all his recruits, but keep in mind this is a program that was regularly recruiting in or near near the 100s even before he took over. He is getting terrific results out of nothing, his recruits or not. To produce teams nearly as good or better RU the past three years by the computer rankings very is impressive (even last year! a year some of our fan still misguidedly drool over). Also, I'd disagree NIU is low mid-major.

If he maintained even a portion of his current 2+ to 1 team ranking to recruiting ranking at RU, he would produce extremely competitive teams here. We're not going to recruit lights out regardless, we need a guy who can COACH first and foremost.

I will say though that I do like Frost also. Another name I like that I never ever hear for any opening anywhere is Ken Niumatalolo (Navy coach and Paul Johnson protege), although I don't know if people here would have the stomach for the triple option and growing pains that would come with it. For me though, I like winning >>>>>>>>>style.

If you see my posts I don't care much about recruiting. I never complain when we get 2 stars never celebrate when we get 4 stars. I don't know the players, how they would project when they step up. The coach gets who he gets, all I care about is bottom line Ws. Viscerally yea it's nice to see more stars but really I don't care that much otherwise.

The mentioning of his recruiting is not about rankings but more about can he continue fill the holes as the faces change. I don't care what the players are ranked just that can he keep on chugging as the faces change. So without him recruiting long enough and using past admin's players I don't know. It's not a question of can he recruit gangbusters like Fleck, who I don't like, it's can he keep on replacing players and performing as the faces change.

Jerry Kill got it going, Doeren continued for a couple years and now Carey is also. I wouldn't have hired Doeren. We'll see how he does at NC St. Any school in the MAC is low mid major to me. MWC/AAC are high mid majors IMO.

Unless you have a longer track record like Pinkel (10 years) or Kill (lots of previous HC experience), I'd prefer a step inside the high mid major. Meyer went from BG to Utah. Kelly CMU to Cincy. Golden and Addazio are the only ones off the top of my head I can think of that made that straight jump to power 5 from MAC and have been decent so far but nothing special. There are probably more failures.

 

[tuffer76]

If you see my posts I don't care much about recruiting. I never complain when we get 2 stars never celebrate when we get 4 stars. I don't know the players, how they would project when they step up. The coach gets who he gets, all I care about is bottom line Ws. Viscerally yea it's nice to see more stars but really I don't care that much otherwise.

The mentioning of his recruiting is not about rankings but more about can he continue fill the holes as the faces change. I don't care what the players are ranked just that can he keep on chugging as the faces change. So without him recruiting long enough and using past admin's players I don't know. It's not a question of can he recruit gangbusters like Fleck, who I don't like, it's can he keep on replacing players and performing as the faces change.

Jerry Kill got it going, Doeren continued for a couple years and now Carey is also. I wouldn't have hired Doeren. We'll see how he does at NC St. Any school in the MAC is low mid major to me. MWC/AAC are high mid majors IMO.

Unless you have a longer track record like Pinkel (10 years) or Kill (lots of previous HC experience), I'd prefer a step inside the high mid major. Meyer went from BG to Utah. Kelly CMU to Cincy. Golden and Addazio are the only ones off the top of my head I can think of that made that straight jump to power 5 from MAC and have been decent so far but nothing special. There are probably more failures.

Beckman, Hazell both went straight from MAC to P5.

While I agree that seeing high-mid major experience is more telling, I'm not sure there are that many candidates at that level who would be available to choose from. Given that, I prefer to see a guy who has then been successful at different schools and/or different levels to see that it wasn't just one instance or set of circumstances that allowed him to excel. Although, that doesn't stop me from really liking what Matt Campbell has going on at Toldeo!

 

[rutgersguy1]

Beckman, Hazell both went straight from MAC to P5.

Yea I knew that. I should have said made that jump and were at least decent. Beckman is out already and wasn't that good and Hazell hasn't show much yet but still has time.

 

[Knight Shift]

Beckman, Hazell both went straight from MAC to P5.

While I agree that seeing high-mid major experience is more telling, I'm not sure there are that many candidates at that level who would be available to choose from. Given that, I prefer to see a guy who has then been successful at different schools and/or different levels to see that it wasn't just one instance or set of circumstances that allowed him to excel. Although, that doesn't stop me from really liking what Matt Campbell has going on at Toldeo!

Did Hazell have a long enough resume at Kent State with 2 years? No.
Beckman's resume at Toledo was not awe inspiring either. 5-7, 8-5 and 8-4, with a loss to FIU in bowl game.