someone explain why RU is such a bad job?
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Only if the coach is given his shot and proves himself to be completely inept, just the like one who just got fired.
basing the quality of a coaching position off one season is extremely short sighted.
Just in our division we are at a huge disadvantage. Ohio state, mich, mich state, pedd state. All have massive traditions and facilities ect. That are light years ahead of ours. In two years we will be 5th just in our division in facilities. And last in money.
It is a huge uphill battle for a coach to take on and may quite be an impossible task. So a coach with many good options will likely pass.
Also Rutgers perceived to have a difficult administration to work with who are perceived to take athletics less serious then every other school in our conference.
Positives are the state has strong talent and if you can retain it you can win. We don't have another in state rival and we will likely pay an average level salary now (hopefully).
It is a huge uphill battle for a coach to take on and may quite be an impossible task. So a coach with many good options will likely pass.
Also Rutgers perceived to have a difficult administration to work with who are perceived to take athletics less serious then every other school in our conference.
Positives are the state has strong talent and if you can retain it you can win. We don't have another in state rival and we will likely pay an average level salary now (hopefully).
Don't think it is considered a bad job at all. However every coach knows that winning is the key to a long and successful career. Recruiting superior athletes is the key to winning. Other programs are surrounded by talented players AND it has been proven that those players will play for the right coach at those programs. There is plenty of talent surrounding Rutgers but it has not been shown that the majority of those players will play here. Every coach we have ever had has struggled to keep the best Jersey players home. Doesn't mean that the right coach can't get it done but it is an uphill battle.
The money is a big issue, but not simply salary. We actually will have enough money to get whoever we want. The money issue is support for the program-any changes that the new coach wants to make to any part of the infrastructure will not happen if it has any dollar sign behind it. It will be hard for coaches to put their footprint on the program.
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Edit: Money. Money. Money
Edit: Money. Money. Money
I look at it this way 1 or 2 big seasons and whoever the coach is will own NJ
& NY. If RU & NJ can get on same page this will be "The Land Of Opportunity Like No Other!!"
& NY. If RU & NJ can get on same page this will be "The Land Of Opportunity Like No Other!!"
First.. History as a coach's graveyard. Schiano is seen as the exception and we all would like to think things have changed for the better.
Second, who are we compared to in terms of ranking how good a job is? When our peers were the Big East teams and AAC and we were headed to the Big Ten we looked like a GREAT JOB. But we are in the Big Ten and the Big Ten EAST now and most people have us chalked up for 3 losses every season no matter what.
Third, No northeastern state (save Penn State) has a big time well-supported football program. Everyone knows this. Now... we have a lot of fans. We have a lot of support.. it just doesn't look that way because population density here has us surrounded by masses who just don't care.
Lastly.. quality of life. A great many people just aren't tough enough for New Jersey / New York. It takes a special person not to take the gruffness and abuse they will get too personally. Just living here is a struggle. Driving to work is a battle here. Ordering at a deli is a battle here. You have to be ready for it. It is not for everyone.
What we need to change everything is 2-3 season like 2006 in-a-row. With the same coach. And if you think back, Schiano had offers from Michigan and Miami and who knows who all else soon after 2006 if not DURING 2006.
Anyway, if and when we have that level of success.. we will gain a lot of support and we will look great. But that support will be fleeting if we have another Flood hit us after a good-to-great coach.
It is a tough job here.. but could be very rewarding.. and even if it is only used as a stepping stone.
Second, who are we compared to in terms of ranking how good a job is? When our peers were the Big East teams and AAC and we were headed to the Big Ten we looked like a GREAT JOB. But we are in the Big Ten and the Big Ten EAST now and most people have us chalked up for 3 losses every season no matter what.
Third, No northeastern state (save Penn State) has a big time well-supported football program. Everyone knows this. Now... we have a lot of fans. We have a lot of support.. it just doesn't look that way because population density here has us surrounded by masses who just don't care.
Lastly.. quality of life. A great many people just aren't tough enough for New Jersey / New York. It takes a special person not to take the gruffness and abuse they will get too personally. Just living here is a struggle. Driving to work is a battle here. Ordering at a deli is a battle here. You have to be ready for it. It is not for everyone.
What we need to change everything is 2-3 season like 2006 in-a-row. With the same coach. And if you think back, Schiano had offers from Michigan and Miami and who knows who all else soon after 2006 if not DURING 2006.
Anyway, if and when we have that level of success.. we will gain a lot of support and we will look great. But that support will be fleeting if we have another Flood hit us after a good-to-great coach.
It is a tough job here.. but could be very rewarding.. and even if it is only used as a stepping stone.
No money, poor media relations, an administration who doesn't support winning or has vision to seriously improve the program, lack of historical football culture, politics interfering with athletics, average to below average facilities, no will to invest in the program, a small and fickle fan base, and I could probably think of a dozen more reasons
Pros you got mad talent, more than probably any other school in B1G within state
Pros you got a huge market to capitalize on if you do well
Pro your stadium is decent
Pro you will have a lot more money to spend
Pro marquee match ups with OSU, PSU, UM, MSU (Yes no one in NJ cares much when u play UMD and Indiana)
Pro lots of money to tap from fan base, if you could get it. (Maryland has same issue, rich cheap fansPro you are just getting into Big time athletics.
Con cold weather compared to southern schools
Con everyone comes in to NJ and recruits talent away
Con you got crap facilities
Con your history prior to last decade is horrific
Con Campus is spread out
Con Mike Rice fiascos
Con Flood/Herman fiascos
Con competing wirh pro teams
Con media scrutiny of NJ.com
Con have to go up against Michigan, OSU, PSU, UM, and Maryland with Under Armour pumping stupid money into football
Con your cheerleaders
Con the smells driving up turnpike
Con other revenue sports are mostly embrassing.
Con your athletic department has a HUGE subsidy, and it will be a while until they are in the black which means huge financial improvements are still far away.
Con crappy fan support for small games
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only one year of national relevancy, t state that general doesn't care, a perception that they wont spend money, a perception that those in charge will bungle something, scandals, the school always seem to be in the news for something negative, compared to other Big 10 schools its in the bottom half of the league in facilties and support, lack of big donors and money in general.
That's on the money.
You can also add two others: 1. RU's late arrival to big-time college football and 2. a schedule that now seems to include a yearly running of the Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Mich. St. gauntlet.
It's gonna take a special talent to do well here. Most of the realistic possibilities I've seen mentioned here have given no reason for anyone to think they could get it done here. Except for that one guy who did have success here, but obviously doesn't wanna come back to New Jersey.
Cons:
In our two revenue sports, other than Greg Schiano, no HC has ever "moved up"
We have a horrible reputation of trying to fire HC's "for cause"
We are last among all P5 schools in athletic donations which puts a cap on staff spending, facility improvements, recruiting budgets, etc
Our local media files FOIA requests almost as often as I change underwear and seems to find it a sport to tear apart our HC's
No winning tradition
Pros:
Huge media market
Local talent pool
Pros
1) You cannot move any lower in division standings
2) Recruiting hotbed
3) You win at RU and you're in the news everyday
4) You win the division and you're guaranteed to replace the statue currently on scarlet walk
Cons
1) You have to beat OSU, Michigan, and Michigan State to have a chance in the playoffs
2) Ticks, mold, snow, exit 15 thru 17 on nj turnpike, high property taxes, high cost of living
3) You lose and you got nj.com to deal with
4) Our fans will boo for sake of booing and decide later what it was for.
1) You cannot move any lower in division standings
2) Recruiting hotbed
3) You win at RU and you're in the news everyday
4) You win the division and you're guaranteed to replace the statue currently on scarlet walk
Cons
1) You have to beat OSU, Michigan, and Michigan State to have a chance in the playoffs
2) Ticks, mold, snow, exit 15 thru 17 on nj turnpike, high property taxes, high cost of living
3) You lose and you got nj.com to deal with
4) Our fans will boo for sake of booing and decide later what it was for.
Don't really have anything to add. It's been well analyzed. But the lack of a winning tradition over many decades means basically no one could get it done here (except a few years under GS). An uphill battle...If a big name was brought in, maybe, he could get some instant recruiting success and make a big splash. Synder did it at KSU which for decades was at the bottom of the Big 12. Even schools like Pitt and Syracuse with far more success than RU ever had are totally challenged to reach the top 25 these days..
If we're ready to open the purse strings, then it'll be a perfectly good job for a good coach. But we have to pay to play. If we nickel and dime our way through this, we're gonna suck all over again.
It's just that simple. Money won't ensure success. But success can't happen without spending money.
It's just that simple. Money won't ensure success. But success can't happen without spending money.
Pro:
NJ is a fertile area for HS football talent.
Cons:
1) NJ and Rutgers do not have a big time college football culture, the media tries to thwart the creation of one at every turn, and many ignorant NJ residents buy into their BS agenda.
2) NJ is full of fair weather fans who will jump off the bandwagon like Mannix out of a moving car after the first bad loss.
3) Piscataway, NJ doesn't revolve around RU football the way Columbus, OH revolves around Ohio State football, Tuscaloosa, AL revolves around Alabama football, South Bend, IN revolves around Notre Dame football, etc, etc....
NJ is a fertile area for HS football talent.
Cons:
1) NJ and Rutgers do not have a big time college football culture, the media tries to thwart the creation of one at every turn, and many ignorant NJ residents buy into their BS agenda.
2) NJ is full of fair weather fans who will jump off the bandwagon like Mannix out of a moving car after the first bad loss.
3) Piscataway, NJ doesn't revolve around RU football the way Columbus, OH revolves around Ohio State football, Tuscaloosa, AL revolves around Alabama football, South Bend, IN revolves around Notre Dame football, etc, etc....
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