Students:just a thought on the "boycott"

[seels2662]

My opinion is if you don't show up, you hurt the team by hurting the home field advantage and noone will talk about it outside of Rutgers, they will just say our fans don't show up when they see it on tv.

But if you pack the place, and don't wear red, then people will see that on tv and ask why is there a sea of, for example, grey or orange, at the game. Your voice will be heard.

Just an idea.

 

[kupuna133]

I got an idea. Students stop filming yourself drinking or doing stupid college things and sharing it via social media. Multiple prior generations did so and they were all able to tailgate without the authorities or University stepping in.

 

[RUin2WIN]

I got an idea. Students stop filming yourself drinking or doing stupid college things and sharing it via social media. Multiple prior generations did so and they were all able to tailgate without the authorities or University stepping in.

When has this been brought up at all as a reason for shutting down the Alley? It hasn't. I'll get off your lawn now.

 

[RUin2WIN]

My opinion is if you don't show up, you hurt the team by hurting the home field advantage and noone will talk about it outside of Rutgers, they will just say our fans don't show up when they see it on tv.

But if you pack the place, and don't wear red, then people will see that on tv and ask why is there a sea of, for example, grey or orange, at the game. Your voice will be heard.

Just an idea.

I left a comment on the petition recently suggesting something similar to this. Having students pack the stadium with signs about the alley, on national television, will draw much more attention to the issue.

 

[kupuna133]

When has this been brought up at all as a reason for shutting down the Alley? It hasn't. I'll get off your lawn now.

This whole discussion is based off of video of students and the AD drinking. This video was shared via social media. If you do not think there is a correlation between video and closing you may need a refresher course.

I want the students to be able to tailgate. If they want their own space great. But they cannot be surprised that this space gets taken away when the videos surface and are shared with the greater media.

 

[RutgHoops]

...you may need a refresher course.

 

[RUin2WIN]

This whole discussion is based off of video of students and the AD drinking. This video was shared via social media. If you do not think there is a correlation between video and closing you may need a refresher course.

Except it's not. Some people on this board want to make it about alcohol, but it's about the legal department being worried about liability. Anyone you see drinking in that short clip could be 21. Hobbs is certainly over 21. So that video just shows an AD taking a sip of beer to calm a crowd. And it worked. There were no "stupid college things" shown.

 

[kupuna133]

Except it's not. Some people on this board want to make it about alcohol, but it's about the legal department being worried about liability. Anyone you see drinking in that short clip could be 21. Hobbs is certainly over 21. So that video just shows an AD taking a sip of beer to calm a crowd. And it worked. There were no "stupid college things" shown.

I did a lot of stupid college things. We just did not document them. This is a case of students sharing information they should not have. It does not matter that everyone in the video "could be 21." It matters that the name Rutgers is associated with the video.

The fact that this needs to be explained is amazing to me.

 

[RUin2WIN]

I did a lot of stupid college things. We just did not document them. This is a case of students sharing information they should not have. It does not matter that everyone in the video "could be 21." It matters that the name Rutgers is associated with the video.

The fact that this needs to be explained is amazing to me.

You're making something out of nothing. Social media is part of the world whether you like it or not. It allows us to connect with people we otherwise never would have. You keep saying stupid college things but again the only thing you see in that video is a bunch of kids cheering for an AD who takes a sip of beer. It's a good time, an exciting environment, and everything you should want from your students prior to a game.

 

[RUin2WIN]

Also for anyone who would like to help. I'm not very good with design work, but if you create a template or flyer for me with something like #SavetheAlley or #FreetheAlley encouraging students to show up to the game and show their support of the idea. I'll print a bunch and hang them around campus at bus stops and student centers.

 

[kupuna133]

You're making something out of nothing. Social media is part of the world whether you like it or not. It allows us to connect with people we otherwise never would have. You keep saying stupid college things but again the only thing you see in that video is a bunch of kids cheering for an AD who takes a sip of beer. It's a good time, an exciting environment, and everything you should want from your students prior to a game.

I don't care if the kids are drinking under age. I do not care that they are having a good time! I wish them the best tailgating and college experience. I had a great time in college doing the same things and worse. What I did not do was document every stupid thing I did. When there was documentation there were usually repercussions. This is exactly what is happening here.

The world moves much faster with social media. I went to RU in the early 90's this was standard behavior. It just wasn't shared with people that would have ill intentions. ie. the media that has a hard on for all things Rutgers.

 

[RUin2WIN]

I don't care if the kids are drinking under age. I do not care that they are having a good time! I wish them the best tailgating and college experience. I had a great time in college doing the same things and worse. What I did not do was document every stupid thing I did. When there was documentation there were usually repercussions. This is exactly what is happening here.

The world moves much faster with social media. I went to RU in the early 90's this was standard behavior. It just wasn't shared with people that would have ill intentions. ie. the media that has a hard on for all things Rutgers.

The media is supporting Hobbs and the students right now. Calling it a non story. The truth is no one cares about this social media video. It got shared, and sure you can say it's a bad thing. On the other hand its brought publicity, positive, as people defend our AD. Even alumni from other schools I know have said it was awesome to see an AD connecting with a fanbase and trying to get them involved.

 

[kupuna133]

The media is supporting Hobbs and the students right now. Calling it a non story. The truth is no one cares about this social media video. It got shared, and sure you can say it's a bad thing. On the other hand its brought publicity, positive, as people defend our AD. Even alumni from other schools I know have said it was awesome to see an AD connecting with a fanbase and trying to get them involved.

Most news outlets are laughing that Rutgers still cant do anything right. Big difference than supporting.

If the video was not out there no one would be talking about Rutgers tailgating and there is a good chance that the ALley would still be in existence.

Good Luck with whatever you do but boycotting is not the solution.

 

[kupuna133]

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I see someone got the reference!!!!

 

[KnightsofChrome]

When has this been brought up at all as a reason for shutting down the Alley? It hasn't. I'll get off your lawn now.

No, no don't get off the grass! Knock on the door, peek through our windows, you just might learn something. This notion that intelligence is revolving, and not transferable is complete nonsense. Experience is the key to quality preparation.
So, don't be so quick to knock someone who has been there, done that. It's the first step to being an informed, rational grownup.

 

[knightfan7]

All this boycott shows is it's much more important to them to party than support the team and school. Not shocked at all honestly.

 

[kupuna133]

The media is supporting Hobbs and the students right now. Calling it a non story. The truth is no one cares about this social media video. It got shared, and sure you can say it's a bad thing. On the other hand its brought publicity, positive, as people defend our AD. Even alumni from other schools I know have said it was awesome to see an AD connecting with a fanbase and trying to get them involved.

http://nypost.com/2016/09/20/rutgers-ads-on-stage-beer-chug-ruins-tailgating-for-all-students/

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/...tudents-tailgate-after-onstage-beer-chug.html

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/09/rutgers-ad-pat-hobbs-the-alley-tailgate-beer

Here are a sampling of the positive media connection. Quoting the Rutgers Police To add insult to injury, Rutgers police chief Kenneth Cop said the tailgate was a non-issue before Hobbs hopped on stage, with just eight total citations issued.

The video has more of a connection then you think

 

[mikemarc1]

This whole discussion is based off of video of students and the AD drinking. This video was shared via social media. If you do not think there is a correlation between video and closing you may need a refresher course.

I want the students to be able to tailgate. If they want their own space great. But they cannot be surprised that this space gets taken away when the videos surface and are shared with the greater media.

The release of the video and the choice to shut down had ZERO to do with one another.

 

[seels2662]

All this boycott shows is it's much more important to them to party than support the team and school. Not shocked at all honestly.

Thats why showing up and protesting is so much more important than not showing up. It will remove that mindset.

Actually I thought of the color of the shirt:white. You can get 20 packs of white shirts cheap, and a "whiteout" would really ruffle alot of people's feathers.

 

[vkj91]

I got an idea. Students stop filming yourself drinking or doing stupid college things and sharing it via social media. Multiple prior generations did so and they were all able to tailgate without the authorities or University stepping in.

But then how would everyone know how cool they are? Not to mention where they are. You know they don't talk to each other.....it's all device driven.

 

[kupuna133]

The release of the video and the choice to shut down had ZERO to do with one another.

I do not agree with you. Had a conversation with a family member in law enforcement 10 minutes ago who said the Alley would still be in existence this weekend if not for the video. Not saying it would not have been changed or eliminated later but he emphatically stated that this video forced the hand of the administration.

 

[knightfan7]

I do not agree with you. Had a conversation with a family member in law enforcement 10 minutes ago who said the Alley would still be in existence this weekend if not for the video. Not saying it would not have been changed or eliminated later but he emphatically stated that this video forced the hand of the administration.

Anyone who thinks about it in it's entirety has to believe what you're saying. Some posters said it would cause issues as soon as they were viewed. Students have no one to blame but the idiots who put it out there to bring attention to themselves.

 

[RUforester72]

Seems like the administration should look for way to save face and restore the alley experience for the students. Geez, what are we, BYU?

 

[soundcrib]

There is a video.

 

[FanuSanu52]

This board sounds more and more like a nursing home every day.

No one's going to care much either way, whether the student section is empty or dressed uniformly in fuschia. Well, except for the meddlers on this board, of course.

I'm guessing most students, and plenty of folks here, don't give a crap about selflessly supporting the school .. it's a football game, it's about fun and entertainment. RU took a big part of that away in a season in which we're putting out a pretty unentertaining product.

Just because you were a student 50 years ago, doesn't mean you're attuned to what's happening now. Might as well let kids do what kids do and not cry about it. Or get your nuts all atwist if you want, but don't think you're really providing much sway.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

A bunch of narcissistic kids. Look at me I'm getting drunk on video. What...you're punish me for putting it on video. I'll get even by boycotting my fellow students. That's how you punish the adults who took away my fun.

 

[PSU_Nut]

Anyone who thinks about it in it's entirety has to believe what you're saying. Some posters said it would cause issues as soon as they were viewed. Students have no one to blame but the idiots who put it out there to bring attention to themselves.

The genie was let out of the bottle. You have to think like a lawyer who who trying to limit the university's liability. If a student get hurt at this tailgate and decides to sue what impact do you think this would have on potential litigation. Could you imagine trying to defend the university of taking necessary percaution when you have an administrator drinking a beer with students cheering him on? A lawyer would have a field day with that. It probably an overreaction but sometimes it all it takes. At Penn State a student received stitches because they were cut by glass on a field that is used for both intermurals and football parking. The next week all glass bottles were banned in grass parking. You have to take basic safe guards or else it could cost you millions like it has for Penn State.

 

[HailHailToMichigan]

I got an idea. Students stop filming yourself drinking or doing stupid college things and sharing it via social media. Multiple prior generations did so and they were all able to tailgate without the authorities or University stepping in.

Multiple prior generations did not have social media or else you could bet your ass they would've done the same things.

 

[knightfan7]

The genie was let out of the bottle. You have to think like a lawyer who who trying to limit the university's liability. If a student get hurt at this tailgate and decides to sue what impact do you think this would have on potential litigation. Could you imagine trying to defend the university of taking necessary percaution when you have an administrator drinking a beer with students cheering him on? A lawyer would have a field day with that. It probably an overreaction but sometimes it all it takes. At Penn State a student received stitches because they were cut by glass on a field that is used for both intermurals and football parking. The next week all glass bottles were banned in grass parking. You have to take basic safe guards or else it could cost you millions like it has for Penn State.

Of course that's at bottom of it.

In my time here there has long been an anti any type of authority slant to the board. Everyone is either out to screw them or take away their fun. It's a Jersey thing I believe and we're all, including me, guilty of it in one degree or another.

 

[RUsince52]

I guess Hobb's thought this would be another way to enhance the game day experience. He should have just stuck with the suggestions instead.
Just add it to the left side of the list.

 

[Rokodesh]

have all the students kneel during the national anthem to protest the removal of their party space.

 

[kupuna133]

Multiple prior generations did not have social media or else you could bet your ass they would've done the same things.

Partially agree. I do not know what you did when you were in high school or college but one thing my friends and i did not do was try to ruin a good thing by advertising what we were doing. If we were drinking under age we did not take pictures of it and tell our friends and administrators of our school. If we did those things would have been taken away much like this.

 

[bac2therac]

But then how would everyone know how cool they are? Not to mention where they are. You know they don't talk to each other.....it's all device driven.

im convinced that the advent of smartphones brought a different type of tailgating, if you look at things before, you didnt have groups of 500 plus at one tailgate or 2K of them all wanting to experience the same tailgate,,,,and Im not even talking the 80s or 90s..Im talking Schiano era RU 2006 or 2007

 

[vkj91]

im convinced that the advent of smartphones brought a different type of tailgating, if you look at things before, you didnt have groups of 500 plus at one tailgate or 2K of them all wanting to experience the same tailgate,,,,and Im not even talking the 80s or 90s..Im talking Schiano era RU 2006 or 2007

Bound to happen. How many times do you read about issues at parties when tons of uninvited kids roll in because of it.

 

[RU22]

My opinion is if you don't show up, you hurt the team by hurting the home field advantage and noone will talk about it outside of Rutgers, they will just say our fans don't show up when they see it on tv.

But if you pack the place, and don't wear red, then people will see that on tv and ask why is there a sea of, for example, grey or orange, at the game. Your voice will be heard.

Just an idea.

I found this article about Millennial's and college football interesting.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...-concern-students-show-college-football-games

 

[mal359]

I got an idea. Students stop filming yourself drinking or doing stupid college things and sharing it via social media. Multiple prior generations did so and they were all able to tailgate without the authorities or University stepping in.

Did prior generations have social media?

 

[mal359]

Multiple prior generations did not have social media or else you could bet your ass they would've done the same things.

How dare you invade his safe space with reason.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

The fact that this needs to be explained is amazing to me.

Just more millennials being millennials. They are entitled to everything with no repercussions for their actions and accept no blame for anything. When does the next generation arrive?

 

[mal359]

BACK IN MY DAY WE WERE HONEST ABOUT EVERY THING WE DID! With a firm handshake after walking for 50 miles in the snow every day, we bootstrapped ourselves into building character. With a nice "aw shucks," we owned up to our every little mistake.

 

[mal359]

How would this board react if "millennials" pull a classic RU baby boomer move and torch the ROTC house?