Suck it up. Next year is the year Flood will be judged.

[Scarlet16E]

Rutgers is not going to fire Flood this year for a multitude of reasons. Most relevant to the current mood of these message boards is that getting blown out by the B1G elite is much more about a very young, inexperienced Rutgers facing several teams in their prime (who happen to have much more talent as well).
Next year our team will have the benefit of having gone through this season. I think it will make a difference the better, but more importantly, it will be the time for Flood to show what he can do. A much more competitive team should be expected.

Don't bother bringing up the various scandals from the beginning of this season. If Flood were to be fired for that it would have happened then. Barchi said that he expects KF as head coach next season.

So suck it up and be patient. Two things can happen next year. Rutgers has a very good season and KF is vindicated, or we crap the bed and KF is let go. Then you can all have what you want. Just show at least a tiny amount of patience.

 

[lighty]

Wow. So what was the excuse for being blown out last year with a more experienced team?

 

[Ridge 22]

It's always next year for him in the eyes of many on this board

 

[zappaa]

With Flood we will be worse next year.

 

[Scarlet16E]

Jimmy's and Joe's my friend.

We are going to take our lumps against the B1G elite for a while. Anyone who takes off their scarlet glasses would have known that before we even joined.

 

[j10oreo]

I believe if it does happen it'll be next year as well. Unfortunately I don't think there will be much of a fanbase left that actually cares what RU football does if it goes that long. :\

 

[Raritan83]

So whose fault is it that we are a young team and some of the upper classmen recruiting classes haven't produced the talent level to compete?

 

[ClassOf02]

Only at Rutgers would we wait until year 5 of a coach's tenure to REALLY evaluate what he can do.

 

[lighty]

Jimmy's and Joe's my friend.

We are going to take our lumps against the B1G elite for a while. Anyone who takes off their scarlet glasses would have known that before we even joined.

Same with Maryland. The difference is they are trying to do something about it.

Instead of making excuses each year. If Flood deserves more time because the blowouts were for a young team or because of moving to the Big Ten, why did he get blown out in the AAC?

 

[MozRU]

 

[Scarlet16E]

Only at Rutgers would we wait until year 5 of a coach's tenure to REALLY evaluate what he can do.

It's the common practice to give 5 years. At least it used to be.

I remember when Rutgers was criticized for firing coaches too quickly. For not being patient with them. The reaction to that criticism (partly) was why Greg Schiano made it to 2005 and our first bowl game in 27 years.

 

[RUskoolie]

If Flood is back you can almost guarantee that season tickets will drop by 30%.

I am a season ticket holder and tailgate fanatic and I have zero interest in attending any remaing games this year. I might take a nap on Saturday in the stadium, I swear. Next year is going to be worse, regardless of who is coach. They keep him and it's a big middle finger to every hard working RU fan who buys tickets and donates.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

That light at the end of the tunnel?

It's a train. A train called "Report on Academic Misconduct in the Football Program."

You don't hire a second MILLION DOLLAR outside investigator for them to return no findings.

Use your head for something beside a place for your hat to rest

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Jimmy's and Joe's my friend.

We are going to take our lumps against the B1G elite for a while. Anyone who takes off their scarlet glasses would have known that before we even joined.

But the biggest issue with Flood is not his game day coaching, but his total inability to recruit at the necessary level. So if the Jimmies and Joes aren't here now, they aren't going to be here in the future. We also had all the Jimmies and Joes (man, I hate that expression) we needed to make a BCS game Flood's first year, and the team came up short.

Also, not sure what the point to the OP is. Its all just your opinion, but you stated it like you know what's going to happen. There are 3 winnable games left...I would say Flood's job is probably highly dependent on the outcome of those games.

 

[RUskoolie]

It's the common practice to give 5 years. At least it used to be.

I remember when Rutgers was criticized for firing coaches too quickly. For not being patient with them. The reaction to that criticism (partly) was why Greg Schiano made it to 2005 and our first bowl game in 27 years.

Flood was not a normal hire. He was a temporary fix. Or are we just going to forget that part? He inherited two of the best recruiting classes in school history and a team with seven NFL draft picks. The coach next year will be inheriting a termite infested house that is basically a knock-down rebuild.

 

[Local Shill]

OP in not a troll, but this was a troll post.

He's too intelligent to believe the BS he wrote. It's embarrassing apologist spin.

 

[Scarlet16E]

That light at the end of the tunnel?

It's a train. A train called "Report on Academic Misconduct in the Football Program."

You don't hire a second MILLION DOLLAR outside investigator for them to return no findings.

Use your head for something beside a place for your hat to rest

I expect that they find nothing (other than what already has been dealt with).
Sometimes you do this so that you can wave the clean bill of health in front of the cameras.

 

[ClassOf02]

It's the common practice to give 5 years. At least it used to be.

I remember when Rutgers was criticized for firing coaches too quickly. For not being patient with them. The reaction to that criticism (partly) was why Greg Schiano made it to 2005 and our first bowl game in 27 years.

If we were seeing a steady upward trajectory in on-field results. player development, coaching improvement, etc, I'd agree with you (not to mention no arrests and/or coaching scandals). But you seem to be saying the first four years don't matter. That is hard to believe.

 

[zappaa]

It's the common practice to give 5 years. At least it used to be.

I remember when Rutgers was criticized for firing coaches too quickly. For not being patient with them. The reaction to that criticism (partly) was why Greg Schiano made it to 2005 and our first bowl game in 27 years.

Is there something you see in Flood that makes you think he can do the job?
Have you not had enough of a sample?

 

[Scarlet16E]

OP in not a troll, but this was a troll post.

He's too intelligent to believe the BS he wrote. It's embarrassing apologist spin.

Well um thanks, I guess.

I find it embarrassing that getting blown out in a few football games makes so many people much more upset about the emailgate scandal.

 

[derleider]

I believe if it does happen it'll be next year as well. Unfortunately I don't think there will be much of a fanbase left that actually cares what RU football does if it goes that long. :\

Wow. One losing season is enough to drive everyone away. Some fans.

 

[bac2therac]

LOL...he was getting blown out in the AAC and his defenders said the team was young...now they are getting blown out in the Big 10 and his defenders say the team is young

2-20 vs above 500 power 5 schools says it all. His best wins in his tenure are Cincy and Maryand who had mediocre season themselves

The evidence is clear. This coaching staff is often overwhelmed during games most of the time at the beginning...and even games like Maryland and Indiana where RU rallied to win..these teams absolutely were housing Rutgers and the reason...the coaching staffs inability to gameplan

No we don't need more evidence. We have seen the delusional insistence on never yanking a quarterback. We saw it with Nova, now we see it with a totally ineffective

its comical when you say let him coach next season to show what he can do...we know what he can do

 

[Local Shill]

I have to laugh at how the OP states that HCKF will be retained as if it's a certainty. As the head coach himself said a couple of times in the past week, "there's stil a lot of football to be played."

There's not a shred of evidence that things will turn around unless you want to hang your hat on the fact the Lincoln ball club isn't nearly as good as the Ann Arbor, Madison or Columbus outfits. And he gets no extra credit for beating Army, sorry. That's an absolute minimum expectation.

 

[bac2therac]

Well um thanks, I guess.

I find it embarrassing that getting blown out in a few football games makes so many people much more upset about the emailgate scandal.

have you watched the games, its not about just the blowouts, that's low hanging fruit, dig deeper

 

[ruhudsonfan]

LOL...he was getting blown out in the AAC and his defenders said the team was young...now they are getting blown out in the Big 10 and his defenders say the team is young

2-20 vs above 500 power 5 schools says it all. His best wins in his tenure are Cincy and Maryand who had mediocre season themselves

The evidence is clear. This coaching staff is often overwhelmed during games most of the time at the beginning...and even games like Maryland and Indiana where RU rallied to win..these teams absolutely were housing Rutgers and the reason...the coaching staffs inability to gameplan

No we don't need more evidence. We have seen the delusional insistence on never yanking a quarterback. We saw it with Nova, now we see it with a totally ineffective

its comical when you say let him coach next season to show what he can do...we know what he can do

Sanity back in Bac's house...welcome back, old friend.

 

[Local Shill]

Wow. One losing season is enough to drive everyone away. Some fans.

You mean two losing seasons in three years, right?

 

[RU205]

Well um thanks, I guess.

I find it embarrassing that getting blown out in a few football games makes so many people much more upset about the emailgate scandal.

A few games? How about a few a year over the last few years. That's more than a few games.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

You mean two losing seasons in three years, right?

There is no sane metric that can be presented to support the case that HCKF is getting a raw deal when he is terminated. None. Der just likes to be contrarian for contrarian's sake.

 

[KnightsofChrome]

It's the common practice to give 5 years. At least it used to be.

I remember when Rutgers was criticized for firing coaches too quickly. For not being patient with them. The reaction to that criticism (partly) was why Greg Schiano made it to 2005 and our first bowl game in 27 years.

See, I just don't understand fans like you, always with the excuse, always about being young, always about what Rutgers used to be like, always about NEXT year!
And, the simple fact that is constantly ignored, the fact that the guy on the sidelines..DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING! The schemes are not flexible, horrible player evaluation and development, recruiting is a joke, unexcusable game day coaching, the lack of understanding of the very principal of what makes football exciting, TO COMPETE! This team just does not compete, the playing field was equalized many years ago when scholarships became equal for each and every team in the country(at least in Div. I). The difference is coaching, recruiting and the myth of a given program in today's arenas.
When I see other "B1G" teams compete, and sometimes defeat the Ohio States of the world, and we constantly get blown out, I put that on the COACHES! And, it starts with Flood. This is not a case of a young inexperienced team, not being able to compete, but more, much more the inability of a coach to correct or adjust if you will, his own errors. Those things don't get corrected by older experienced players, unless they correct it themselves. Last year we beat Michigan, but only because one inept coach was going up against another. Two losers, and a blocked field goal was the deciding factor, no big surprise. This year Michigan, was able to hire a new coach, who basically blew the socks off of our team, and our coach. Also, no surprise.
The main difference, coaching! So, let's get rid of this pretender to the sport, and sooner is always better than later! Fire Flood Now!

 

[Dr. Potato]

He could still go 7 - 6. Not likely but OP is probably right. Unless RU loses to Nebraska and MD.

 

[derleider]

There is no sane metric that can be presented to support the case that HCKF is getting a raw deal when he is terminated. None. Der just likes to be contrarian for contrarian's sake.

I wasnt talking about Flood. He should have been fired in 2013. He should be fired now, unless we are going to basically spend the same amount of money, in which case it would be a pointless waste that would lock us into a long term deal with a likely failure.

Im talking about the fans jumping ship next year.

 

[bethlehemfan]

Wait til next year is not a good rallying cry.

 

[Scarlet16E]

Is there something you see in Flood that makes you think he can do the job?
Have you not had enough of a sample?

Look. Here's my take. And no it's not apologist spin.
This season was stacked against Flood before it started. You simply can't win football games at a high level with so many freshman in the secondary, replacing 3/5 of the O-Line, and breaking-in and developing a Sophomore QB.
Added to that losing your only elite-level D-lineman to injury, and your NFL-ready receiver for half of the season due to a combination of things. These events would challenge Urban Meyer and Nick Saban - although Urban seems to have great QB's tucked away for whenever he needs them.

Next year we have all of these positions back (minus Caroo) with a year of hard experience. We also have an Elite 11 QB joining the roster. Next year is the year where Flood has a chance to make a name for himself. Or next year he fails and we move on to the next coaching staff.

Flood is young. I do believe he has shown that he can learn from mistakes. So, no, I have not seen enough of a sample.

Bear in mind that whatever new coach we hire would be as much of a gamble, IMO.

 

[Scarlet16E]

Also, not sure what the point to the OP is. Its all just your opinion, but you stated it like you know what's going to happen. There are 3 winnable games left...I would say Flood's job is probably highly dependent on the outcome of those games.

Yes, I am expressing my opinion.

 

[bac2therac]

Sanity back in Bac's house...welcome back, old friend.

I was never off the Exterminate Elmer train

 

[bac2therac]

lol he is young, he can learn from his mistakes....THIS IS FREAKIN BIG TEN FOOTBALL....you mom and pop line is something that can be used at Fordham or CW Post. How many more years do the shills use this blind support line?

 

[bac2therac]

Wow. One losing season is enough to drive everyone away. Some fans.

yes..you know how shaky our fanbase is...remember how that waiting list dried up...well next year with a coach that 75% of the fans don't believe in, you better bet its going to hit Rutgers hard in sales and donations

 

[brgossRU90]

I remember when the board had so many more posters like this. Thank god we're past that.

 

[Scarlet16E]

I remember when the board had so many more posters like this. Thank god we're past that.

Yes. thank god the board is filled with petulant children.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Yes. thank god the board is filled with petulant children.

Rutgers has a 200 year history of doing it your way. Giving "nice guys" next year to right themselves.

How about we try something different?

If Elmer is run out of town on a rail and his replacement sucks for 3 years, you can call us out.

Until then...Lead, Follow or Get out of the way