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Technical Foul

I join in with the vast majority of your fellow fans that disagree with you. As others have said, with all of the countless years of history watching college basketball among us, not a single person has said that they have ever seen a player draw a technical for taunting the crowd. Keep in mind that rule 10 has parallel wording, allowing the officials to grant one technical foul shot to the team subjected to “abusive“ language by the fans of the other team. I doubt if anyone has seen that rule enforced either. In light of the universal lack of enforcement of both elements of the rule, assessing the technical without a warning was a ridiculous abuse of discretion.
I appreciate you giving a civil counter argument without having to resort to sarcasm or insults just because we disagree. I never put people on this board on 'ignore' before until today. I'm here to have fun and civil discourse. Thanks for doing the same.
 
Love you too Lou

But I'm sorry I'm not going to stop pointing out when we are being blatantly treated unfairly. Again--never seen a player get T for saying something to the crowd. something tells we we'll never see it again. but i'll be watching and I'm damn well going to point it out when an opposition player does it to us.

I'm extremely angered still by last year. The incompetent refs who tend to favor name teams (like OSU) completely ruined our season. Not the game, but the entire season went for naught because of that. Its not the same for all teams (for those who say "every school says they are targeted") oh Yeah? find me the schools who had an NCAA bid yanked because the refs stole a victory from them and then maybe we'll play the misery loves company game. And no the OSU game wasn't one bad call--need I remind everyone that the prayer shot (that was clearly illegal ) shouldn't have even gone up becuase the OSU guy stepped OOB before that (uncalled, unreviewed)

I'll stop when the refs hand a big victory to even things out..
What happened at OSU was a terrible mistake. But if you're being honest with yourself, the people on the selection committee probably treated that game as an RU win. The committee flat out said that RU was left out because of their record and performance without Mawot Mag. And they were right. We weren't an NCAA team without him and it was proven when we couldn't even win a home game against Hofstra.

Were you for or against leaving FSU out of the college football playoff? Same exact thing. Without their QB able to participate, they didn't belong.
 
What happened at OSU was a terrible mistake. But if you're being honest with yourself, the people on the selection committee probably treated that game as an RU win. The committee flat out said that RU was left out because of their record and performance without Mawot Mag. And they were right. We weren't an NCAA team without him and it was proven when we couldn't even win a home game against Hofstra.

Were you for or against leaving FSU out of the college football playoff? Same exact thing. Without their QB able to participate, they didn't belong.
sorry my friend I 100% disagree with you. They said they would take it under conisderation but they clearly did not. There is no way we win 20 in last years B1G (with an additinoal road win to boot) and get left out of that tournament.
 
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sorry my friend I 100% disagree with you. They said they would take it under conisderation but the clearly did not. There is no way we win 20 in last years B1G (with an additinoal road win to boot) and get left out of that tournament.
FSU was 13-0 in a power 5 conference and was still behind two teams with a loss. And for good reason.

Honestly, I think what really kept us out, more than anything else, was Jamison Battle. Kind of ironic that he's on OSU now.
 
FSU was 13-0 in a power 5 conference and was still behind two teams with a loss. And for good reason.

Honestly, I think what really kept us out, more than anything else, was Jamison Battle. Kind of ironic that he's on OSU now.
c'mon thats football, there was only 4 teams (not 68) and quite honestly I didn't think they were top 4 but its a totally different topic

we lost the Minne game fair and square--and it counted as an L as it should
we won the OSU game fair and square --and it counted as an L

anyway I'm not going to rehash last year's stolen bid once again . it still haunts my thoughts and my brain seethes with anger when I think about it.
 
I join in with the vast majority of your fellow fans that disagree with you. As others have said, with all of the countless years of history watching college basketball among us, not a single person has said that they have ever seen a player draw a technical for taunting the crowd. Keep in mind that rule 10 has parallel wording, allowing the officials to grant one technical foul shot to the team subjected to “abusive“ language by the fans of the other team. I doubt if anyone has seen that rule enforced either. In light of the universal lack of enforcement of both elements of the rule, assessing the technical without a warning was a ridiculous abuse of discretion.

If consistently enforced, Ron’s walk off 3 against IU or Cams 3 against Purdue look different now.
 
c'mon thats football, there was only 4 teams (not 68) and quite honestly I didn't think they were top 4 but its a totally different topic

we lost the Minne game fair and square--and it counted as an L as it should
we won the OSU game fair and square --and it counted as an L

anyway I'm not going to rehash last year's stolen bid once again . it still haunts my thoughts and my brain seethes with anger when I think about it.

Please do. It’s a nice reminder to the Pike haters that the man basically had us in the tourney 4 years in a row after 3 decades of futility and he should be afforded a little grace in a rebuild year (not freedom from criticism).
 
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He circled back and kept the taunting going yelling F-bombs. One time is enough, no need to come back and keep going right in front of the ref.

Stupid move my Simpson that almost cost us the game.
 
Please do. It’s a nice reminder to the Pike haters that the man basically had us in the tourney 4 years in a row after 3 decades of futility and he should be afforded a little grace in a rebuild year (not freedom from criticism).
here's what I think about--

we had 4 NCAA bids in a row but in the official records only have 2. given our decades of futility prior to Pike this really REALLY ticks me off.
 
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You know I love you guys but this is a terrible job by both of you. My daughter was at the game last night cheering on the Terps. And yes, she had bad actors around her saying stupid stuff. But Derick telling them to STFU is stooping to lower than their level. I don't need Derick Simpson directing that language at my daughter. And to risk a T while the outcome hangs in the balance is inexcusable.

Seeing Derick smiling and clapping after that T was assessed is what set me off. The 26 seconds that followed were his fault. If Mawot and JWill don't bail him out, he is responsible for a horrible collapse and this board is in meltdown.

While I'm on a roll, I don't need Oscar and the bench, who contributed nothing, jawing at the crowd either.

JWill showed how you respond. AFTER the game, stare them down and take a bow while keeping your mouth shut.

End of Rant.
you know I love you too!

that said, my point isnt to say I like Derek doing that. it's to say that this happens in virtually every game and is not called

if the refs are going to enforce the rules of "inciting the crowd" then by all means, go for it

just do it consistently...not just against Rutgers.

again, in 35+ years of watching thousands and thousands of bball games, I am not sure I've ever seen a Tech called on a player for taunting the crowd.

that's an awful job by Curry, and honestly, he should be suspended.
 
If you read all my posts I said that he did a horrible job all night and it was an absolute bullshit call so I can'tbe defending him. But you can't deny that if Simpson doesn't feel the need to show what a bad a** he is you don't even give the official the opportunity to make that call.
doesnt matter. never called on anyone else, not sure why Derek is supposed to not do something other kids do all the time with no consequences...just to avoid a ref who clearly has Rutgers bias (he reffed Tominaga barely a week ago and didn't do squat about him 'inciting the crowd')
 
just re-watched, with cooler emotions knowing the final outcome...

..and after careful consideration and more measured judgement...


it was a total shit call, the ref should never work a B1G game EVER again -
thank you. now we're talking.

these shady behaviors should have consequences.
 
you know I love you too!

that said, my point isnt to say I like Derek doing that. it's to say that this happens in virtually every game and is not called

if the refs are going to enforce the rules of "inciting the crowd" then by all means, go for it

just do it consistently...not just against Rutgers.

again, in 35+ years of watching thousands and thousands of bball games, I am not sure I've ever seen a Tech called on a player for taunting the crowd.

that's an awful job by Curry, and honestly, he should be suspended.
Maybe in your previous 35+ years of watching basketball, a player was never stupid enough to yell STFU at the fans while the ref was standing next to him.
 
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Maybe in your previous 35+ years of watching basketball, a player was never stupid enough to yell STFU at the fans while the ref was standing next to him.
I can't say my memory is flawless...but I have seen it lots of times...never a technical

to be clear, nobody is condoning that what Derek did was good, or smart...but i want to stay focused on the key point here... which is the ref calling this on us, when it happens all the time
 
I can't say my memory is flawless...but I have seen it lots of times...never a technical

to be clear, nobody is condoning that what Derek did was good, or smart...but i want to stay focused on the key point here... which is the ref calling this on us, when it happens all the time
OK we're at an impasse. Agree that Derick was selfish and stupid, but disagree on whether or not it warranted punishment. I will still drink your booze in September.
 
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FSU was 13-0 in a power 5 conference and was still behind two teams with a loss. And for good reason.

Honestly, I think what really kept us out, more than anything else, was Jamison Battle. Kind of ironic that he's on OSU now.
Football is not basketball.
they are not the same thing.
 
Normally, I would agree with you, but Simpson made several gestures and then cursed at the fans where the official was standing there. I was pissed, but pissed at Simpson. You have to keep your head there. Because of what he did, he allowed a 6-point swing in 26 seconds. Regardless of how you feel about it being a shitty call or not, as a player, you can't let officials grab the game from you.
No. That allowed for 2 pts for Maryland. It was their ball anyway. The T did not allow the next 2 shots to go in for MD. Maybe it pumped them up but his magical shot pumped up RU who won the game.
 
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FSU was 13-0 in a power 5 conference and was still behind two teams with a loss. And for good reason.

Honestly, I think what really kept us out, more than anything else, was Jamison Battle. Kind of ironic that he's on OSU now.
FSU was not behind those teams for a good reason. No sport with a coherent or reasonable championship process uses a prediction about how good a team will be in the future as an input to selecting or seeding its championship tournament. This is what is being done when a committee takes it upon itself to try to decide how good a team will be post some injury rather than just using the results of the games that are played. Results are results and injuries are part of the game. Injuries should not be taken into account whatsoever in championship selection.
 
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Football is not basketball.
they are not the same thing.
My point was that if an undefeated football team from a P5 conference can miss out on the playoff behind two one-loss teams because they are missing a key player, it's not far fetched that a basketball team with a 20-14 record from a P5 school missing a key player can be left out of the NCAA Tournament. But it didn't seem to resonate with anyone so we'll move on.
 
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My point was that if an undefeated football team from a P5 conference can miss out on the playoff behind two one-loss teams because they are missing a key player, it's not far fetched that a basketball team with a 20-14 record from a P5 school missing a key player can be left out of the NCAA Tournament. But it didn't seem to resonate with anyone so we'll move on.

You’re not wrong. Had we been able to pull off Purdue in the B1G tourney, we’re in.

Hofstra playing a lights out game in the NIT doesn’t change that.
 
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Was yelling at the TV for Derek to shut up as he was doing that, then they hit him with the T. Saw it coming a mile away. Guys like Caleb, RHJ, and Geo would talk the entire game, but were really good at knowing when and how to do it. If you gotta call the fans out, win the game then go over and do it like Cam and Caleb did at Penn State last year.

Derek does too much of this stuff, especially when we’re down 10+ points. He also misses way too many shots to then jaw the whole length of the floor.
 
Was yelling at the TV for Derek to shut up as he was doing that, then they hit him with the T. Saw it coming a mile away. Guys like Caleb, RHJ, and Geo would talk the entire game, but were really good at knowing when and how to do it. If you gotta call the fans out, win the game then go over and do it like Cam and Caleb did at Penn State last year.

Derek does too much of this stuff, especially when we’re down 10+ points. He also misses way too many shots to then jaw the whole length of the floor.
I agree with your premise, but Geo and Caleb did get Teed up for talking sh*t to opposing players at least once. Cliff as well. I don't recall it ever happening to RHJ. RHJ knew how to taunt without crossing the line. His reaction after the buzzer beater at Indiana is a good example. But my favorite was how after Cliff posterized Edey, he came up to Cliff and did the sign of the cross, lol.
 
You’re not wrong. Had we been able to pull off Purdue in the B1G tourney, we’re in.

Hofstra playing a lights out game in the NIT doesn’t change that.
if the refs didnt screw us at OSU (we WON that game...not even debatable) and B1G doesnt call the MSG win vs MSU a home game...we're in.

and that's with not doing well down the stretch

we got screwed. plan and simple.
 
if the refs didnt screw us at OSU (we WON that game...not even debatable) and B1G doesnt call the MSG win vs MSU a home game...we're in.

and that's with not doing well down the stretch

we got screwed. plan and simple.

The only justification I can think of is that they put us in in 2022 for the same reason they left us out in 2023 - playing well/not playing well to end the season. Can you really leave a February national team of the week out?

And honestly, Geo, Ron and Caleb deserved to play their last game together in the tourney, so I can’t bitch too much about it (despite the teary flight out of Cincinnati the next morning).
 
yep...we've been screwed like this so many times

but so many on this board believe it all evens out. LOL

they still go home looking for change under their pillow from the tooth fairy.
Yeah, but this one is the greatest of them all. So many times I wanted to ask CVS how she allowed them to get away with it but I didn't have the nerve. And honestly, I thought less of Pat Summit for not having the integrity to say this was the clock keeper's error (i.e. cheating) and we lost. Then top it off with the referee letting it go and I've struggled to take women's basketball seriously ever since.
 
The non-call on Biruta getting mugged trying to catch the inbounds pass there was as infuriating to me as refs running off the court when SJU went out-of-bounds with time on the clock.
don't forget the St Johns player throwing the ball into the stands before time ran out.

Technical foul, btw.
 
yep...another massive game stealing situation

but don't worry...this all evens out!! Really...it does!
Every team has games where the refs walk off the court before the game is over. Its like every year you see that, especially in important conference tournament games.
 
Back in 2011 Dunellen’s track team was going for 3rd straight sectional title. Anchor leg runner screamed out f word crossing finish line as team won relay.
Team was disqualified for that race, and as a result of losing those points lost their threepeat
 
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