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Temple's HC Rhule should be on everyone's short list....

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Rhule has made Temple desirable for commits and more importantly - he has elevated them to be a real good squad.

Thus should Flood not be retained for next season - I'd go after Rhule strong as he would probably kill to coach in the Big 10; would not be overly expensive relatively speaking and I'm sure has great PA and NJ connection - given his current recruits and PSU pedigree.
 
He's a good coach, but playing an experienced squad of Addazio players.
 
Also other P5 programs will be going after him. Do we have the money to go after him and fight others off?
 
I don't see Rhule giving up on his dream of coaching Penn State. He is from State College, played for Penn State, and worships at the Paterno shrine. He stays at Temple and beats Penn State again next year and when Franklin is finally fired takes his dream job.
 
A little early for this but they have assembled a very good and very professional staff at Temple under Rhule. He was also the recruiting coordinator at Temple under Golden when they started to turn that program back around.
 
Even if we got him, PSU would just poach him the second they fire franklin, so at best, we'd have him for a year. Probably not worth it, but I agree, he's done a great job.
 
RUSK97 said:
He's a good coach, but playing an experienced squad of Addazio players.
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Some of Addazio's recruits are still in key roles as upperclassmen, but recruiting there has vastly improved under Rhule. That's the thing there: Temple is just getting started.
 
Mark my words: Matt Rhule will never, EVER coach at Rutgers. I really don't know where you guys come up with this stuff.

Completely delusional as usual. Always good for a laugh, though. Never change, Rutgers fans.
 
TU_NY said:
Mark my words: Matt Rhule will never, EVER coach at Rutgers. I really don't know where you guys come up with this stuff.

Completely delusional as usual. Always good for a laugh, though. Never change, Rutgers fans.
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You're probably right, but you won't have him much longer either.
 
j10oreo said:
is this a subtle fire flood thread?
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Who knows but whether we're looking for a coach or not, discussing up and coming coaches is always my topic of interest versus recruiting of which I have no interest.

As to Rhule, I wasn't sold on the last 2 temple coaches and I'm not sold on this one either. Golden and Addazio have done okay jobs but nothing to write home about and I don't know that Rhule would be any different if he takes the step up. He's having a good year thus far though but Golden/Addazio had good years too.

I still like Tom Herman now at Houston.. I liked him since 2 years as a coordinator at OSU and so far he's got a nice start as HC this year at 2-0 and a solid win away against Louisville. We'll see how the rest of the season plays out.

Here's an article that he wrote for SI about his experience thus far at Houston. This is the kind of salesman job I like for a HC as opposed to PJ Fleck who I think is just too over the top/used car like. Never will turn down a speaking engagement to promote the school not just football, tweet quota for the staff, staff always has to be ready for a recruit that may visit on the fly, etc...Sounds like a guy capable in today's social media. I think he'd instill a toughness/competitiveness to any team he coaches. He likes physicality just like we see at OSU and says he's never seen a team win a championship just based on finesse. Talks about marrying system to talent which most coaches say but don't know how many follow through.

I'm sure there's going to be a learning curve there but with each article I read about him my opinion doesn't change. If Strong continues to struggle at Texas, I wouldn't be surprised if they pluck him from Houston assuming his trajectory stays on track.

http://www.campusrush.com/tom-herman-houston-cougars-head-coach-education-1336562958.html
 
In Rhule's defense, Golden and Addazio never beat PSU and/or Cincy.

AG saved TU football and made us competitive again and for that effort, I will always be grateful to him for that.

Addazio was a jackass and a blowhard. He "won" with AGs team and recruits and left Rhule with crap when he took over. I hope and wish for the day he fails miserably at BC and gets $hit canned.
 
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Can we just hire a coach who has an established track record as an HC anywhere prior to coming here? Anderson, Graber, Shea, Schiano, Flood all assistants. We hit on Schiano and Graber was close but time for a different approach. I will say this, the Temple job has turned out to be a good one for coaches to move on to P5 jobs from.
 
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rufeelinit said:
Can we just hire a coach who has an established track record as an HC anywhere prior to coming here? Anderson, Graber, Shea, Schiano, Flood all assistants. We hit on Schiano and Graber was close but time for a different approach. I will say this, the Temple job has turned out to be a good one for coaches to move on to P5 jobs from.
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If we get to that point, PJ Fleck would probably be a primary candidate:
-Affordable (currently @$800k)
-Has some success as a HC (MAC Coach of Yr)
-Has had success recruiting NJ and has made some relationships with HS coaches in other BiG states.
-Spent 3 yrs learning from GS and had a cup of coffee in NFL
 
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Rhule has done 2 things in 2 weeks that we have rarely done:

- Beat PSU
- Beat Cincy and AT Cincy

Hopefully we change #1 above next week.......
 
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I think both PSU and Rhule have eyes for each other. If Franklin does not get to 10 wins in this contract, which won't be easy with OSU and MSU riding high, I expect Rhule at PSU. Another coach that caught my eye was Buffalo's coach Lance Leipold, 109-6 while winning multiple D2 titles, the fastest coach in NCAA history to 100 wins.
 
RCTrooper said:
If we get to that point, PJ Fleck would probably be a primary candidate:
-Affordable (currently @$800k)
-Has some success as a HC (MAC Coach of Yr)
-Has had success recruiting NJ and has made some relationships with HS coaches in other BiG states.
-Spent 3 yrs learning from GS and had a cup of coffee in NFL
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I think I would cancel my season tickets if they ever hired that ass clown. Yesterday, PJ lost to GEORGIA SOUTHERN of the SUN BELT 43-17.

SINK THE BOAT>

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Oh he did, I didn't realize. I guess they lost all their juice going against MSU last week. I don't like him but again as I've said before the MAC is where he'll make his bread and butter.

As to Rhule, yes they've beaten a very bad PSU team and a had nice win at Cincy but we've seen guys have nice wins and seasons. I'd like to see him do it longer with different faces and also see if the can finish out with a conference championship. I think Herman may be able to give him a run from the other side but we'll see.
 
daneman100 said:
If we ever replaced Flood I would wait for Texas to fire Strong.
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You know I'm not even sold on him completely unless he gets a really good OC. He messed up once in Louisville having to change OCs and has had the same problem now in Texas. They said they wanted to change up to a more hurry up spread and they kept the same guy around rather then going out and hiring a guy like Lincoln Riley from ECU (which is what OU did). They elevated Jay Norvell who previously was a WR coach on the OU staff but hasn't called plays since his days at UCLA a long time ago. I haven't seem him without Bridgewater and would be worried about his handling of offense.

I'm also for a offensive minded coach in general anyway. I've given stats of the top 10 offenses/defenses in the country and how many of each end up in the top 25 at years end. The last 2 years I think it was 7-8 for the offenses and 4-5 for the defenses and the "unexpected" top 25s like Fresno/NIUs etc.. were up there because of their top 10 offenses. Those "unexpecteds" that had top 10 defenses or close weren't ranked.

Just as a side note also read this past offseason Saban invited Herman to school him and his staff on all the weaknesses OSU saw on Alabama.
 
rufeelinit said:
Can we just hire a coach who has an established track record as an HC anywhere prior to coming here? Anderson, Graber, Shea, Schiano, Flood all assistants. We hit on Schiano and Graber was close but time for a different approach. I will say this, the Temple job has turned out to be a good one for coaches to move on to P5 jobs from.
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This. Flood is a career Assistant Coach at best.
Hopefully the RU Administration will come with some money ( future B1G revenue ) and hire a real P5 level Coach.
 
Pils86,

Likely scenario if the JF experiment blows up big time and fails. Matt was born and grew up in State College. Dad, I believe taught at PSU. He played for Paterno. Wife, like he, is a PSU grad.

Thankfully, she's a high ranking employee at TU and loves Philly, as does he. As I have repeatedly said, today's TU is a far different from the one that couldn't get out of its way in the early part of the 2000s. Matt is paid quite handsomely by our university. He doesn't get paid Nick Saban money but he's earning way more than what Flood is presently pulling down.

With talks ongoing about us building a stadium on campus, I think in Matt's mind, he'll probably want that to be a part of his legacy. His recruiting has been stellar and for those that think PJ was an Addazio recruit, you would be wrong. Matt was the person who targeted him from the beginning. Addazio was only using us as a stop gap until the BC or UConn jobs opened up because of his New England background and upbringing. He did his best to get PJ to go to Chestnut Hill with him, but he stayed in Philly because of Rhule.

In the meantime however, I think he remains in Philly to see this through. He and his staff and developed tremendous momentum and I think they all know that they have the potential to accomplish something that even Golden was unable to accomplish.

We'll see how this all continues to play out.
 
RCTrooper said:
If we get to that point, PJ Fleck would probably be a primary candidate:
-Affordable (currently @$800k)
-Has some success as a HC (MAC Coach of Yr)
-Has had success recruiting NJ and has made some relationships with HS coaches in other BiG states.
-Spent 3 yrs learning from GS and had a cup of coffee in NFL
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Any list of qualifications that starts with "affordable" is not of interest to me, and should be of no interest to anyone else. What did "affordable" get RU in basketball for 20 years? We'll get the same in football if that's the approach.
 
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I like PSU's DC Bob Shoop. He's the guy that told his secondary last year that they would get five INTs vs Rutgers and then they got them. He's a Yale grad who used to be head coach at Columbia. He was fired after going 7-23 in three seasons. If you know Columbia football that's actually a pretty good record lol. They now have a losing streak going back to 2012
 
Rhule wont be an option for PSU next year or probably not the year after. Franklin just needs to find a competent OC and PSU should be improved.
 
Knight Shift said:
I think I would cancel my season tickets if they ever hired that ass clown. Yesterday, PJ lost to GEORGIA SOUTHERN of the SUN BELT 43-17.

SINK THE BOAT>

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Georgia Southern has more history and a better program then Western Michigan. They went undefeated in the Sun Belt last year in their first year in FBS so they weren't bowl eligible. I agree tho, I don't want Fleck.
 
jabba2 said:
Rhule wont be an option for PSU next year or probably not the year after. Franklin just needs to find a competent OC and PSU should be improved.
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It's actually more about getting the players that Franklin wants in his offense. Right now, that is not the QB or the OLine. I think once he gets his players, PSU success will take care of itself. If I was Rutgers, I would go after the Bowling Green coach.
 
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RUSK97 said:
He's a good coach, but playing an experienced squad of Addazio players.
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Yup, and Addazzio in his first two years at BC was quickly turning things around. I would have liked to have hired him, but as I recall he turned us down before it got even remotely serious.
 
brista21 said:
Yup, and Addazzio in his first two years at BC was quickly turning things around. I would have liked to have hired him, but as I recall he turned us down before it got even remotely serious.
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I believe that was because TP wanted him to keep most of the current staff that eventually left anyway and Addazio wanted to bring his own staff. I'm not high on him myself.
 
TU_NY said:
Mark my words: Matt Rhule will never, EVER coach at Rutgers. I really don't know where you guys come up with this stuff.

Completely delusional as usual. Always good for a laugh, though. Never change, Rutgers fans.
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Why is it delusional?

Rutgers has better far better history than Temple.
Rutgers is in a far better league than Temple.
Rutgers has far better facilities, including having our own stadium, than Temple.
Rutgers has far better fan support than Temple.
Rutgers has a far better recruiting base than Temple.
Really, can you tell me what Temple football is better than Rutgers, because I got nothing.

Enjoy him the rest of this year, because you can MARK MY WORDS Temple fan, at 10:25 PM on Sept. 27th I said it. Rhule will be off to a much better program after this year.

May not be Rutgers, but consider him gone.
 
BuggsyRU said:
Why is it delusional?

Rutgers has better far better history than Temple.
Rutgers is in a far better league than Temple.
Rutgers has far better facilities, including having our own stadium, than Temple.
Rutgers has far better fan support than Temple.
Rutgers has a far better recruiting base than Temple.
Really, can you tell me what Temple football is better than Rutgers, because I got nothing.

Enjoy him the rest of this year, because you can MARK MY WORDS Temple fan, at 10:25 PM on Sept. 27th I said it. Rhule will be off to a much better program after this year.

May not be Rutgers, but consider him gone.
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I agree completely. Temple is going to have a dream season and Rhule will be gone. It won't be Penn State. Franklin is recruiting too well. He just needs a better OC in the off season.
 
MikeR0102 said:
Georgia Southern has more history and a better program then Western Michigan. They went undefeated in the Sun Belt last year in their first year in FBS so they weren't bowl eligible. I agree tho, I don't want Fleck.
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Then why not hire their coach willie fritz? Guy is 147-66 at three different stops.
 
vkj91 said:
Then why not hire their coach willie fritz? Guy is 147-66 at three different stops.
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I'm not the person you have to sell on that kind of thing. I wanted Dan Mullen a couple years ago and things didn't work out with that. Another Sun Belt coach I'd throw out there is Mark Hudspeth who is 36-16 at Louisiana-Lafayette the last 4 years, but he may be too southern for Rutgers.
 
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