The endgame strategy was f**king stupid

[fluoxetine]

Obviously that shot should not have counted.

But intentionally putting us on the line for a one in one with 5 seconds left instead of just defending the first time down was ****ing stupid. Absolutely retarded strategy. I have endlessly, tirelessly defended Pike against people complaining about various strategies but he absolutely cost us that game.

 

[cm_13]

Him having us foul there is honestly out of character for him. I feel like he always has us play those scenarios out.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Correct strategy …but poorly executed

You either don’t foul or you fouk witb less than three , forcing them to miss the second fouk shot

Execution of the strategy was the issue

 

[fluoxetine]

Correct strategy …but poorly executed

You either don’t foul or you fouk witb less than three , forcing them to miss the second fouk shot

Execution of the strategy was the issue

The strategy is almost impossible to execute "correctly" and gives you all kinds of ways to lose. Yes, if you manage to foul the dude with like 0.2 seconds left then good on you I guess, otherwise you are forcing more pressure FTs on yourself and basically the best case scenario is ending up back in the exact same spot with 3s left instead of 7s.

Doing this when they are in double bonus and we are only in single is almost malpractice.

 

[bac2therac]

Im with you Flux..these are the crazy things that happen, at worst they hit a 3 and you go to overtime and you have 5 minutes to win in there. We have good not great free throw shooters, id rather win it with defense than having to hit 4 free throws and then why was there no one on the line to get a rebound. if Caleb makes it RU up 3 but now we still have to foul them but they would easily be bringing it up court...was Pike not going to foul there..that seemed to be at odds with what he did at 8 seconds


there was way too much time...good lord Mag fouled him 75 feet away from the basket, at least make him bring it up over half court

ive never seen a team foul on a 3 and then still have to hit two one and ones

in that case why dont teams start fouling with 30 seconds if they are that afraid.

 

[bsh75]

The foul is a delicate balance. You want to run off some clock but you do not want the opposing player to have a chance to go into a shooting motion to get 3 FTs. Ideally you would want to foul someone either making or receiving a pass where there can be no shot attempt.

 

[RUDave_01]

Correct strategy …but poorly executed

You either don’t foul or you fouk witb less than three , forcing them to miss the second fouk shot

Execution of the strategy was the issue

Agreed... If you're going to foil, do it late. Don't give them the opportunity to shoot again only up 2 points.

 

[Scangg]

A few too many seconds left for that strategy or you make it difficult to inbound. If you force OSU to catch the ball with his momentum going away from the basket it will eat a couple more seconds

 

[wheezer]

Correct strategy …but poorly executed

You either don’t foul or you fouk witb less than three , forcing them to miss the second fouk shot

Execution of the strategy was the issue

first off, I don't like fouling at all, up by the three....play it out

I understand the idea of fouling.....but that requires the players on the floor to keep a sense of how much time is left

Mags fouled with not enough time off the clock.....we should not expect the player on the floor to keep track of when the clock gets down to 3 seconds or so...... he was told to foul, so he did
even fouling with 2 or 3 seconds left, you risk the possibility of a foul shot made, a second missed with the threat of an offensive rebound and another shot.....I would just rather play tough D, KNOWING they have to shoot a three....just defend the outside smartly

 

[Westcoast]

Yeah, I tend to agree. Just play it straight up with 4 guys at the arc and cliff down low. If they make it at least you don't lose in regulation.

 

[Luvscarletknights]

Everything is a learning opportunity. Next time Mag will know better.

 

[Degaz-RU]

Obviously that shot should not have counted.

But intentionally putting us on the line for a one in one with 5 seconds left instead of just defending the first time down was ****ing stupid. Absolutely retarded strategy. I have endlessly, tirelessly defended Pike against people complaining about various strategies but he absolutely cost us that game.

The one and one issue is moot. Caleb hit the first foul shot. So it’s not like he missed the front end of the one and one.

So the fact that Pike called for this strategy while only in the single bonus is a complete non-factor.

 

[goru7]

The foul is a delicate balance. You want to run off some clock but you do not want the opposing player to have a chance to go into a shooting motion to get 3 FTs. Ideally you would want to foul someone either making or receiving a pass where there can be no shot attempt.

Very true. The analytics I think are 50/50 whether to foul up 3 with less than 10 on the clock. I think it is actually studied with less than 5 seconds on the clock. Flux makes a point about us being in the single bonus so have to make 2 one and ones but that turned out to be irrelevant as Paul and Caleb made the first and hit 3 of 4.
Mag was obviously told to foul but screwed up not allowing the point guard to get further upcourt and fouling with like 3-4 seconds left instead of 5.8 ( although the clock operator was shaky )
But still the refs screwed up missing the Rules violation as well as the stepping out of bounds by the point guard , , which were supposedly not reviewable ,, then what was reviewable the clock not starting for 1 to 1.5 seconds , and the clock expires with the ball in the point guards hands , all had to happen to prove Pike ‘s fouling wrong
I didn’t like it in real time and would had played it out with 7.7 seconds since we have an elite defense that was stifling them all second half and the worst that can happen is overtime. Suprised by Pike’s decision especially as Geo said in a tweet or another post , Pike normally played it out and does not foul. He went against what he normally does and did not trust his elite defense. He will be having nightmares for a while and we all feel sick to our stomachs at the lost opportunity of being 2-0 in the BIG 10 with a huge Quad 1 road win and back to back wins over ranked teams .

 

[Unionst]

That’s the last time Pike will do this. When it does make sense to foul is when the defensive team has not reached 6 fouls yet so the other team inbounds on a foul. Otherwise makes no sense. Really disappointing choice.

 

[bethlehemfan]

That’s the last time Pike will do this. When it does make sense to foul is when the defensive team has not reached 6 fouls yet so the other team inbounds on a foul. Otherwise makes no sense. Really disappointing choice.

I sure hope so.

 

[goru7]

That’s the last time Pike will do this. When it does make sense to foul is when the defensive team has not reached 6 fouls yet so the other team inbounds on a foul. Otherwise makes no sense. Really disappointing choice.

That is not the issue that is a no brainer if you do not have 6 fouls yet. The issue debated for years is whether to foul up 3 with little time on the clock either 5-8 seconds

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Yeah, I tend to agree. Just play it straight up with 4 guys at the arc and cliff down low. If they make it at least you don't lose in regulation.

He shoulda not fouled.

But had Cliff up on the inbounds passer so they don’t get an ideal pass in.

Then just guard the 3 and let them score a 2 or heave one up.

Awful gameplay down the stretch that ended up with a crushing loss.

 

[Plum Street]

The problem was the foul happened too soon. Needs to be under 5 seconds minimum

 

[Unionst]

That is not the issue that is a no brainer if you do not have 6 fouls yet. The issue debated for years is whether to foul up 3 with little time on the clock either 5-8 seconds

All we needed to do was defend the arc to prevent a tie and the possibility of OT. Instead we set ourselves up for the possibility of a regulation time loss. Pretty hard to see where this is even debatable. And based on Mag’s quick foul, it’s clear that he hadn’t been coached well enough to even apply the strategy, as poor a strategy as it was. I predict Pike will never do this again.

 

[S_Janowski]

I would seriously love to see all you people who would have blasted Pike if he decided to play defense, Ohio State drains a 3, and we lose in OT.

The strategy was fine, just not executed perfectly (should have fouled a little later).

Let’s stop acting like this is some egregious coaching error though, or equating it with being retarted. Smh.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

The strategy was not wrong it was just timed wrong. Many coaches are in favor of preventing a game tying 3.

You foul after a player gets across half court and then if the clock is under 5 or 4 seconds, OSU would be forced to make the 1st and then intentionally miss the 2nd, to try and secure a rebound and tying 2 point shot.

Anyone who is questioning the strategy doesn't know basketball or is at worse, unprepared for the conversation.

Just because the result was obviously not correct, fans want to be keyboard experts. I won't continue to micromanage what fans want to say, we saw this with fans who 3 years ago said RU should have fouled Iowa, when they threw the baseball pass to the corner, where Weiskamp made the 3, banked from the corner.

The same fans who are saying we should have fouled 3 years ago, are the same fans saying we should not have fouled.

 

[SirScarlet]

The strategy was brilliant

WE WON THE FKNG GAME!!!

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

The only thing that went wrong was Mag fouled too early. He should have fouled 2 seconds later.

Then Mag leaves his man wide open to double team the guard.

Not a good end of game for Mag.

 

[bac2therac]

The strategy was not wrong it was just timed wrong. Many coaches are in favor of preventing a game tying 3.

You foul after a player gets across half court and then if the clock is under 5 or 4 seconds, OSU would be forced to make the 1st and then intentionally miss the 2nd, to try and secure a rebound and tying 2 point shot.

Anyone who is questioning the strategy doesn't know basketball or is at worse, unprepared for the conversation.

Just because the result was obviously not correct, fans want to be keyboard experts. I won't continue to micromanage what fans want to say, we saw this with fans who 3 years ago said RU should have fouled Iowa, when they threw the baseball pass to the corner, where Weiskamp made the 3, banked from the corner.

The same fans who are saying we should have fouled 3 years ago, are the same fans saying we should not have fouled.

I said before it happened that we shouldn't foul and am consistently adamant NOT to foul.

That RU had to do 2 one and ones was there was still 5 seconds is evidence of that.

 

[S_Janowski]

The only thing that went wrong was Mag fouled too early. He should have fouled 2 seconds later.

Then Mag leaves his man wide open to double team the guard.

Not a good end of game for Mag.

Mags wide open man was standing completely out of bounds lol

 

[S_Janowski]

I said before it happened that we shouldn't foul and am consistently adamant NOT to foul.

That RU had to do 2 one and ones was there was still 5 seconds is evidence of that.

There was 2 one and ones because we fouled too early….not because we fouled.

Again, it was the execution that needed to be better, not the decision.

 

[Plum Street]

I actually posted in the game thread to foul . Said to do it under 3. Problem was the foul was too soon.
I am surprised pike actually did foul , figured he would play it out

 

[Plum Street]

I said before it happened that we shouldn't foul and am consistently adamant NOT to foul.

That RU had to do 2 one and ones was there was still 5 seconds is evidence of that.

Yep you did . The problem was the foul occurred too soon. Plus, McConnell needs to make it .
Pike will never do this again !!

 

[RU84]

The only thing that went wrong was Mag fouled too early. He should have fouled 2 seconds later.

Then Mag leaves his man wide open to double team the guard.

Not a good end of game for Mag.

Mag hoisting that corner 3 pointer in the last half court possession not the shot you want. He’s not a good 3 Pt shooter. Get someone in the paint to attempt a higher percentage shot or get fouled.

 

[bac2therac]

We only had 2 one and ones because we fouled too early….not because we fouled.

Again, it was the execution that needed to be better, not the decision.

If you aren't executing right its a problem

 

[ColonelRutgers]

I said before it happened that we shouldn't foul and am consistently adamant NOT to foul.

That RU had to do 2 one and ones was there was still 5 seconds is evidence of that.

I immediately deleted the recording but wasn’t the scenario this? Mulcahy’s one and one was after Cliff’s block when we were only up one. Mulcahy got fouled with 7.7 seconds left and made both. Ohio State inbounded the ball and Mag fouled with 5.8 seconds left. They made both free throws. Mulcahy inbounded to Caleb who was immediately fouled. Caleb made one of two and then two guys stepped out of bounds and we lost.

Isn’t that right? Only 1 and 1 after Mag fouled up three?

 

[S_Janowski]

If you aren't executing right its a problem

Agree but that still doesn’t mean it was the wrong decision.

 

[bac2therac]

I immediately deleted the recording but wasn’t the scenario this? Mulcahy’s one and one was after Cliff’s block when we were only up one. Mulcahy got fouled with 7.7 seconds left and made both. Ohio State inbounded the ball and Mag fouled with 5.8 seconds left. They made both free throws. Mulcahy inbounded to Caleb who was immediately fouled. Caleb made one of two and then two guys stepped out of bounds and we lost.

Isn’t that right? Only 1 and 1 after Mag fouled up three?

Pretty sure Calebs was a one and one too

 

[bac2therac]

Agree but that still doesn’t mean it was the wrong decision.

To me it was im consistent i like to play it out. Worst is overtime. You have a great defense. Lean on that. They fouled but they couldn't even get that communication part right on when to do it

 

[ColonelRutgers]

The strategy was not wrong it was just timed wrong

Anyone who is questioning the strategy doesn't know basketball or is at worse, unprepared for the conversation.

Just because the result was obviously not correct, fans want to be keyboard experts.

The strategy was wrong BECAUSE of the timing. The timing is the only important part of the strategy. A truly nonsensical take. Wow.

 

[Yeah Baby]

I would seriously love to see all you people who would have blasted Pike if he decided to play defense, Ohio State drains a 3, and we lose in OT.

The strategy was fine, just not executed perfectly (should have fouled a little later).

Let’s stop acting like this is some egregious coaching error though, or equating it with being retarted. Smh.

Agreed. Let the children throw their tantrums it was a tough loss.

I feel like the home clock was a little slow on all 3 of those last possessions in 7 seconds. Not to mention two out of bounds missed by the refs. If I was going to whine and bitch it would be about the obvious mistakes made by the refs and not a debatable decision made by our staff. But I’m not going to whine and bitch because it’s over.

 

[kcg88]

Unless you pull a Villanova and foul a three point shooter, the only way you lose in regulation is by fouling intentionally so from that standpoint I don't like it.

 

[richthedentist]

Very true. The analytics I think are 50/50 whether to foul up 3 with less than 10 on the clock. I think it is actually studied with less than 5 seconds on the clock. Flux makes a point about us being in the single bonus so have to make 2 one and ones but that turned out to be irrelevant as Paul and Caleb made the first and hit 3 of 4.
Mag was obviously told to foul but screwed up not allowing the point guard to get further upcourt and fouling with like 3-4 seconds left instead of 5.8 ( although the clock operator was shaky )
But still the refs screwed up missing the Rules violation as well as the stepping out of bounds by the point guard , , which were supposedly not reviewable ,, then what was reviewable the clock not starting for 1 to 1.5 seconds , and the clock expires with the ball in the point guards hands , all had to happen to prove Pike ‘s fouling wrong
I didn’t like it in real time and would had played it out with 7.7 seconds since we have an elite defense that was stifling them all second half and the worst that can happen is overtime. Suprised by Pike’s decision especially as Geo said in a tweet or another post , Pike normally played it out and does not foul. He went against what he normally does and did not trust his elite defense. He will be having nightmares for a while and we all feel sick to our stomachs at the lost opportunity of being 2-0 in the BIG 10 with a huge Quad 1 road win and back to back wins over ranked teams .

agreed the clock operator was clearly a homer twice as time should have definitely run out!!!

 

[FIJI'83]

Fouling is sound strategy if properly executed. Their should have been pressure on the ball from the second it was inbounded to run clock and the foul should have been given after ball crossed mid court which also would have run clock. This scenario should have been covered during practices. Pike’s game management have always been questionable. None of this excuses the refs blowing the call or our players leaving the shooter uncovered for an uncontested shot.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

Pretty sure Calebs was a one and one too

It was but that was after the foul by Mag while Mulcahy’s was before. We were only up 1 when Mulcahy went to the line after Cliff’s seemingly game saving block. Pike’s strategy, which I disagree with, only went into play after Mulcahy’s foul shots not before.