the future from here on out

[higgins3]

Happy weekend folks.

I just watched part of the rutgers basketball story this morning and had some thoughts. Jordan and his staff seem very confident in tturning the program around. At one point, Mcork was saying "jordan is not a carpenter, he is a craftsman. He wants to build a masterpiece, not just a house" Great quote, but is that really what is going on? Jordan himself seems very confident he can turn this around. How do you turn it around without building a strong base to your house in the basics and fundamentals of the game?I hold myself to the same accountability of making sure my actions meet my words. I think he is speaking real well, but not seeing as much action. No rebounding drills?What the heck,lol?Whatever the situation is, I don't know how long he will get to build this masterpiece. Hopefully he knows. One thing we can all agree on that the tri state area lacks a lot of times-Patience. Get wins on the board soon or else people aren't going to wait around.

Has the team improved in the past two weeks while being injured to hell?Yes. I have seen some improvement.

If everyone stays-from what I hear the team is pretty tight and the grass isn't always greener, we are looking at a team that has some athleticism. I really like Laurent. Sanders, Johnson,Laurent, Foreman,Freeman?That is something that could be exciting. Our coach has to build that masterpiece, or the museum might be shutting itself down. No one can wait 3-4 years of 6-24 seasons.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

I have not watched it,


Just curious, did Rutgers have a rebounding issue last year when Doorson, Jack, Etou and a healthy Lewis were playing? Maybe there are some stats on it.

EDIT......
I don't think I am misreading these stats, but, it appears Rutgers ranking in the B1G last year was as follows:

Offensive rebounding: 2nd in B1G
Defensive rebounding: 7th in B1G
Total rebounding: 4th in B1G

Looks like healthy big players rebound well, especially when you work on it during live action scrimmaging. How was that possible without rebounding drills?

 

[soundcrib]

I have not watched it,


Just curious, did Rutgers have a rebounding issue last year when Doorson, Jack, Etou and a healthy Lewis were playing? Maybe there are some stats on it.

EDIT......
I don't think I am misreading these stats, but, it appears Rutgers ranking in the B1G last year was as follows:

Offensive rebounding: 2nd in B1G
Defensive rebounding: 7th in B1G
Total rebounding: 4th in B1G

Looks like healthy big players rebound well, especially when you work on it during live action scrimmaging. How was that possible without rebounding drills?

Etou.

 

[RutgersYay]

I keep forgetting that a 25 game losing streak in the Big Ten and no Top 250 wins in forever doesn't matter.

 

[Scarlet Knut]

We beat Wisconsin last year.

 

[RutgersYay]

We beat Wisconsin last year.

Over a year is close to forever.

Seriously, Eddie's squads have beaten 2 teams in the top 100 in the course of his tenure. TWO. Wisconsin is one, and the other came in the AAC season. Temple? I forget.

 

[bac2therac]

We beat Wisconsin last year.

No top 250 wins since that win which was over a year ago

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

If he gets his recruiting together he may aspire to Greg Shiano levels. Meaning he can put a team together but can't game day coach or use time outs.

I have not watched it,


Just curious, did Rutgers have a rebounding issue last year when Doorson, Jack, Etou and a healthy Lewis were playing? Maybe there are some stats on it.

EDIT......
I don't think I am misreading these stats, but, it appears Rutgers ranking in the B1G last year was as follows:

Offensive rebounding: 2nd in B1G
Defensive rebounding: 7th in B1G
Total rebounding: 4th in B1G

Looks like healthy big players rebound well, especially when you work on it during live action scrimmaging. How was that possible without rebounding drills?

BTW..I don't know where you are getting your stats from. This is from the official B1G site for last season.(not exactly sure what they are defining here BUT) RU LAST in Defensive and 8th Offensive. 11th in margin. Here is the link: http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2014-2015/confldrs.html


REBOUNDING OFFENSE G Rebounds Avg/G
1. Iowa 34 1274 37.5
2. Michigan State 39 1458 37.4
3. Purdue 34 1249 36.7
4. Indiana 34 1224 36.0
5. Ohio State 35 1241 35.5
6. Penn State 34 1201 35.3
7. Maryland 35 1223 34.9
8. Rutgers 32 1118 34.9
9. Illinois 33 1134 34.4
10. Wisconsin 40 1338 33.5
11. Nebraska 31 1022 33.0
12. Minnesota 33 1087 32.9
13. Northwestern 32 1052 32.9
14. Michigan 32 966 30.2

REBOUNDING DEFENSE G Rebounds Avg/G
1. Wisconsin 40 1106 27.7
2. Purdue 34 1087 32.0
3. Michigan State 39 1247 32.0
4. Indiana 34 1122 33.0
5. Ohio State 35 1168 33.4
6. Iowa 34 1136 33.4
7. Maryland 35 1170 33.4
8. Northwestern 32 1073 33.5
9. Illinois 33 1115 33.8
10. Michigan 32 1090 34.1
11. Nebraska 31 1085 35.0
12. Minnesota 33 1171 35.5
13. Penn State 34 1216 35.8
14. Rutgers 32 1164 36.4

REBOUNDING MARGIN G Team Avg. Opponent Avg. Margin
1. Wisconsin 40 1338 33.5 1106 27.7 +5.8
2. Michigan State 39 1458 37.4 1247 32.0 +5.4
3. Purdue 34 1249 36.7 1087 32.0 +4.8
4. Iowa 34 1274 37.5 1136 33.4 +4.1
5. Indiana 34 1224 36.0 1122 33.0 +3.0
6. Ohio State 35 1241 35.5 1168 33.4 +2.1
7. Maryland 35 1223 34.9 1170 33.4 +1.5
8. Illinois 33 1134 34.4 1115 33.8 +0.6
9. Penn State 34 1201 35.3 1216 35.8 -0.4
10. Northwestern 32 1052 32.9 1073 33.5 -0.7
11. Rutgers 32 1118 34.9 1164 36.4 -1.4
12. Nebraska 31 1022 33.0 1085 35.0 -2.0
13. Minnesota 33 1087 32.9 1171 35.5 -2.5
14. Michigan 32 966 30.2 1090 34.1 -3.9

 

[G- RUnit]

Think all the focus on rebounding is silly. I think John Beilen may be the best X and O's coach in the country. Rebounding is not a primary concern. Many coaches now eschewing the rebound in favor of getting a good shot and good shooting. IMO our problem is not the lack or rebounding, its poor shooting.

 

[RutgersYay]

Think all the focus on rebounding is silly. I think John Beilen may be the best X and O's coach in the country. Rebounding is not a primary concern. Many coaches now eschewing the rebound in favor of getting a good shot and good shooting. IMO our problem is not the lack or rebounding, its poor shooting.

Really? Rebounding isn't important?

 

[G- RUnit]

Primary focus should be making shot first. Other stats more important. Turnovers and shooting percentage come to mind.

 

[cyrock3]

G-RUnit is talking about the modern game.

Everyone else is stuck in the stone ages where a back to the basket post was essential.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Etou.

If he gets his recruiting together he may aspire to Greg Shiano levels. Meaning he can put a team together but can't game day coach or use time outs.


BTW..I don't know where you are getting your stats from. This is from the official B1G site for last season.(not exactly sure what they are defining here BUT) RU LAST in Defensive and 8th Offensive. 11th in margin. Here is the link: http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2014-2015/confldrs.html

It was another site (SR Sports Reference). As I mentioned in my original post, maybe I was misreading them. http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/rutgers/2015.html

 

[higgins3]

I have not watched it,


Just curious, did Rutgers have a rebounding issue last year when Doorson, Jack, Etou and a healthy Lewis were playing? Maybe there are some stats on it.

EDIT......
I don't think I am misreading these stats, but, it appears Rutgers ranking in the B1G last year was as follows:

Offensive rebounding: 2nd in B1G
Defensive rebounding: 7th in B1G
Total rebounding: 4th in B1G

Looks like healthy big players rebound well, especially when you work on it during live action scrimmaging. How was that possible without rebounding drills?

Jordan said it, not I.

 

[higgins3]

I have not watched it,


Just curious, did Rutgers have a rebounding issue last year when Doorson, Jack, Etou and a healthy Lewis were playing? Maybe there are some stats on it.

EDIT......
I don't think I am misreading these stats, but, it appears Rutgers ranking in the B1G last year was as follows:

Offensive rebounding: 2nd in B1G
Defensive rebounding: 7th in B1G
Total rebounding: 4th in B1G

Looks like healthy big players rebound well, especially when you work on it during live action scrimmaging. How was that possible without rebounding drills?

Its all good. I think you may have mis read the stats, or some site put them out wrong. I never recall us being a good rebounding team last year. FOr his size, Doorson didn't grab that many rebounds at all. I think it was almost 2 per game. Etou was a junkyard dog. I don't know if him and Eddie had issues, or if he was a me first player, but part of me misses his game. I think he had potential. I think him and Eddie had a rift though.

 

[higgins3]

Think all the focus on rebounding is silly. I think John Beilen may be the best X and O's coach in the country. Rebounding is not a primary concern. Many coaches now eschewing the rebound in favor of getting a good shot and good shooting. IMO our problem is not the lack or rebounding, its poor shooting.

The game is changing, but rebounding is still a top five concept on the list of things. Number 1 is shooting.

 

[RUAEPI]

pretty simple...If you make a shot, the other team doesn't get a rebound. So the fact that we are out rebounded in general typically tells me that we just shoot a lower %.

This year Eddie isn't focussing on O-rebounding at all. Shot goes up, and all guys run back on D. Trying to minimize runout by other teams.

Let's face it guys. We are not the Golden State Warriors.....we cannot win with a small lineup. We have a few nice pieces, but the reality is that we go into every gun fight with a knife (a butter knife at that!)

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

The game is changing, but rebounding is still a top five concept on the list of things. Number 1 is shooting.

I think the whole issue with rebounding is that there are a few ways to teach it and emphasize it. You can do it with simulated drills or teach it / correct any issues during live action scrimmages. Articles I read show that many programs only spend a cursory amount of time on actual rebounding drills....especially with limited practice time.

I've played the game and no drill made into a good offensive rebounder....the shot goes up and you attack the rim with determination and go get it. You also have to be crafty and slip into the right spots.

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

This is foolish. Of course if you can make baskets you don't to be good at offensive rebounding. But when you can't shoot you better get more chance at it by rebounding a bit.

And when the other team misses you want to give them more shots by not rebounding great on your end? really? If a team shoot 50% then for every 2 rebounds they get that means 2-3 more points they will score.

Everythings a numbers game. Fouls, TO,s ...but to say bounding isn't that important? ok. :rolleyes:

 

[G- RUnit]

Nobody said it wasn't important. Just not most important. Really is an amazing stat that University of Michigan is #326 in offensive rebounding and is 17-5.

 

[seels2662]

Ok you have to throw this year out we had an insane rash of injuries. Now I admit the thin bench is partly Jordan's fault, he could have at least found a walkon that was tall enough to give us a couple minutes in the paint and it bothers me that we are still not looking for a big man for the 2016-2017 season.

He has been getting players, he has quietly gotten 4 Rivals top 150 players. And the "not a good X's and O's coach" is garbage people are forgetting the days of FHJ when we didn't even have an inbounds play.

I am still on the fence with Jordan. Next year to me is make or break for him no more moral victories he has enough talent next year to get to the NIT. If not then we need to look elsewhere.

But he deserves one more season.

 

[Hondo77]

Think all the focus on rebounding is silly. I think John Beilen may be the best X and O's coach in the country. Rebounding is not a primary concern. Many coaches now eschewing the rebound in favor of getting a good shot and good shooting. IMO our problem is not the lack or rebounding, its poor shooting.

Our problem is we stink at so many things.

 

[higgins3]

I think the whole issue with rebounding is that there are a few ways to teach it and emphasize it. You can do it with simulated drills or teach it / correct any issues during live action scrimmages. Articles I read show that many programs only spend a cursory amount of time on actual rebounding drills....especially with limited practice time.

I've played the game and no drill made into a good offensive rebounder....the shot goes up and you attack the rim with determination and go get it. You also have to be crafty and slip into the right spots.

You are right in the fact that a lot of our professional sports are stupid simple. See a ball, go get it. No much more to it then that. How do you teach swimming through people who are already established. Do all the players on the floor know where most rebounds go?Can we get better, wider positioning?Can we just do rebounding drills for at least ten minutes?It is one of the most important parts of the game. Sure, a lot of it is will and our sports are really simple in that regard. More has to be taught,though.

 

[higgins3]

Ok you have to throw this year out we had an insane rash of injuries. Now I admit the thin bench is partly Jordan's fault, he could have at least found a walkon that was tall enough to give us a couple minutes in the paint and it bothers me that we are still not looking for a big man for the 2016-2017 season.

He has been getting players, he has quietly gotten 4 Rivals top 150 players. And the "not a good X's and O's coach" is garbage people are forgetting the days of FHJ when we didn't even have an inbounds play.

I am still on the fence with Jordan. Next year to me is make or break for him no more moral victories he has enough talent next year to get to the NIT. If not then we need to look elsewhere.

But he deserves one more season.

Next year is definitely the year he shows whether he will or will not have a job in 2017. His players should be there. He has to do a better job hiring,though.

 

[higgins3]

pretty simple...If you make a shot, the other team doesn't get a rebound. So the fact that we are out rebounded in general typically tells me that we just shoot a lower %.

This year Eddie isn't focussing on O-rebounding at all. Shot goes up, and all guys run back on D. Trying to minimize runout by other teams.

Let's face it guys. We are not the Golden State Warriors.....we cannot win with a small lineup. We have a few nice pieces, but the reality is that we go into every gun fight with a knife (a butter knife at that!)

How about defensive rebounds?Not about our shooting.

 

[megadrone]

Next year is definitely the year he shows whether he will or will not have a job in 2017. His players should be there. He has to do a better job hiring,though.

Unfortunately, now is the time to determine if you should give him an extension, and that isn't really clear.