The plan Dave White proposed makes sense

[higgins3]

http://www.onthebanks.com/2015/12/6/9856544/rutgers-basketball-its-not-time-to-fire-eddie-jordan …Not a lot of Jordan supporters on here, and I can see a lot of your sentiments. I do feel not many coaches will come to this program until we get a practice facility. So until we get that, Jordan will stay. I think next year if Jordan doesn't get .500, he will have trouble. Just saying, what Dave White put out was a good read and you can follow him on twitter to check it out.

Just gotta stay realistic with who we can get at this point, and really hope the players and Jordan turn it around. The fact that the team doesn't reinforce basics in practice, and recruiting is not seen in NJ is very strange. Both need to be your bread and butters.

Here's to hoping for improvement. Really like Laurents play alongside Sanders. Foreman is doing okay,too. As posted, our front court right now is really struggling.

 

[bac2therac]

totally disagree....EJ isnt the right guy, we don't have to pay $1 million plus for 6-8 win season and it is highly likely that this year will be a 6-8 win season. You think that 6-26 is a sign of progress and how exactly does he recruit off of that.. I don't know the answers but that's up to Hobbs. Just like Onthebanks and others slammed Julie for not raising $100 million in 2 and half years. Its not Julies fault that Eddie cant recruit like Onthebanks implied. That is deflection. Yes the facilities are terrible and that's the main problem but how can you sell facility fundraising with a program going nowhere. I for one have lost a lot of interest in going to these games, last night was a chore, it was brutally uninteresting. I don't feel I would sign up again next year if Jordan is retained. I have sat through enough losing and judging by attendance and declining season ticket sales so have most people.

 

[Caliknight]

Eddie with a practice facility and updated RAC would still lose. He isn't a good coach, no matter what is on offer.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Eddie with a practice facility and updated RAC would still lose. He isn't a good coach, no matter what is on offer.

practice facilities don't make players make harder cuts, box out, get back faster on D, jump stop, square shoulders when penetrating, hit the open man, make the extra pass, shuffle 1 step and take a charge, win a 50/50 ball, make an effort to go after an offensive rebound, make a foul shot, use a screen properly

 

[BillyC80]

Grf, everything you say is true, and if anything it may be more of an indictment of Eddie's talent evaluation and recruiting acumen (which he didn't have to do when coaching in the NBA). Those things you cite are all taught on the way up to college level bball.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I am not so sure of that. It amazes me that most players don't use their left hand on a lefty lay up.

I don't know what goes on at the AAU level, but I suspect generally fundamentals are not taught/used.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

People still read that guy's shit? Does the OP get paid for doing Dave's marketing?

 

[cyrock3]

I agree with higgins & RU-Choppin. We need less haterade around here. More support for Jordan.

These boards need to be an athletics safe space.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I agree with higgins & RU-Choppin. We need less haterade around here. More support for Jordan.

These boards need to be an athletics safe space.

I don't think anybody "hates" Eddie. He just doesn't seem to be getting it done, and it's actually quite a shame, because I'd guess 99% of us want him to succeed.

 

[RUJMM78]

practice facilities don't make players make harder cuts, box out, get back faster on D, jump stop, square shoulders when penetrating, hit the open man, make the extra pass, shuffle 1 step and take a charge, win a 50/50 ball, make an effort to go after an offensive rebound, make a foul shot, use a screen properly

What has stifled Rutgers mens basetball progress is the lack of players that can consistently put the ball in the basket.At the same time the lack of execution of basic fundamentals clearly rests with the coaching staff.Since recruiting should be at least 50% of a coaching staffs time ,the lack of talent and player development has resulted in a basketball program that clearly is heading in the wrong direction.The fact that not one recruit was signed in the early signing period is very telling and discouraging at the same time.

 

[higgins3]

practice facilities don't make players make harder cuts, box out, get back faster on D, jump stop, square shoulders when penetrating, hit the open man, make the extra pass, shuffle 1 step and take a charge, win a 50/50 ball, make an effort to go after an offensive rebound, make a foul shot, use a screen properly

I don't think they do either-just stating an opinion that made sense to me.

 

[e5fdny]

What has stifled Rutgers mens basetball progress is the lack of players that can consistently put the ball in the basket.At the same time the lack of execution of basic fundamentals clearly rests with the coaching staff.Since recruiting should be at least 50% of a coaching staffs time ,the lack of talent and player development has resulted in a basketball program that clearly is heading in the wrong direction.The fact that not one recruit was signed in the early signing period is very telling and discouraging at the same time.

I admit I'm not as knowledgeable on the sport as some on here but isn't it fair to ask/assume a D1A B1G/Big East player to know how to do this stuff upon arrival?

It's not like they just picked up the game and got a scholarship.

 

[Caliknight]

Grf, everything you say is true, and if anything it may be more of an indictment of Eddie's talent evaluation and recruiting acumen (which he didn't have to do when coaching in the NBA). Those things you cite are all taught on the way up to college level bball.

They are taught at every level not the NBA. Even then, in the offseason, a lot of those guys go back to the basics. I see a lot of NBA guys come through my gym in the offseason with various skills coaches. They are doing stuff high school kids do.

Basketball isn't rocket science. The techniques are tried and true and must be taught over and over again. Watch a Michigan State or Duke practice and tell me they aren't working on those things listed.

 

[RU-ROCS]

practice facilities don't make players make harder cuts, box out, get back faster on D, jump stop, square shoulders when penetrating, hit the open man, make the extra pass, shuffle 1 step and take a charge, win a 50/50 ball, make an effort to go after an offensive rebound, make a foul shot, use a screen properly

FIG - I agree 100%, but until Hobbs can get shovels in the ground on a new facility for hoops, it will be nearly impossible to attract even a top young up-and-comer type HC given that we presently have hands-down one of the worst arenas and the absolute worst practice facilities in the P5. I think that was more Dave's point.

 

[RUtrumpet92]

It amazes me that most players don't use their left hand on a lefty lay up.

Hey, I'm trying to do my part by teaching my 5th and 6th grade church league boys to use the left hand on the lefty lay ups. (And the 1st and 2nd graders, too, but it is a lot harder with them).

 

[albanyknight]

I think a number of us (myself included) supported Flood because he was a good man and until this year was scandal free. This was even though there was always a nagging feeling that he wasn't the right person for the job. For the past year, year and a half, I have been going through the same process with Eddie. I like Eddie and truly wanted him to be successful but in my heart know he is not the right person for the job, facilities or no facilities.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Hey, I'm trying to do my part by teaching my 5th and 6th grade church league boys to use the left hand on the lefty lay ups. (And the 1st and 2nd graders, too, but it is a lot harder with them).

Keep up the fight. It really isn't difficult for kids with coordination.

 

[Rutgers36]

What great facilities or great conference did Butler have when Brad Stevens took the job, how about VCU and Shaka Smart, Monson and Few at Gonzaga, hell old man Hurley and St. Anthony's(place is a dump). Hobbs job like Tim's, Bob's and Fred before him was to find this guy. We never did. Maybe Hobbs can. There are guys that will take this job as is and some will be able to win. We just have to find him. Get it done, if Eddie in fact fails. We do have at least 23 games left to play this season by the way.

 

[bac2therac]

FIG - I agree 100%, but until Hobbs can get shovels in the ground on a new facility for hoops, it will be nearly impossible to attract even a top young up-and-comer type HC given that we presently have hands-down one of the worst arenas and the absolute worst practice facilities in the P5. I think that was more Dave's point.

you know what someone will take it...that's Hobbs job...lay out a plan to a perspective coach and the timeline. This is a potentially a solid job but you have to sell it as such. Paying Jordan over a million to just placekeep does not accomplish anything. The same type of arguments were used for not getting rid of Fred Hill and even Flood. You cant be afraid to make a move and you cant ask people to support something that not working

 

[ruman]

GW draws 3,500. It does not appear that they have a practice facility.

Mike Lonergan recruits good players and coaches the hell out of them.

 

[JPhoboken]

I like Eddie and truly wanted him to be successful but in my heart know he is not the right person for the job, facilities or no facilities.

I think a lot of us are starting to feel this way. I like him a lot too. I loved watching him as a player, and loved the whole coming home story. He had some experience coaching and recruiting in college at Rutgers, and coupled with his NBA experience, I thought for sure he would be able to get us moving in the right direction.

It seems we just can't make a splash recruiting, and I am having a hard time seeing improvement in the players development.

I just don't know what to think right now. I am hopeful he can turn it around, and I doubt Hobbs will change after this season, so he will probably still get 2 more years to try.

I love college basketball, love watching Corey play, and can see Laurent has some talent, but watching our front court play is not easy, and the failure to dominate lower level teams is telling.

Its gonna be a long year, no doubt. I hope we get a few surprises along the way.

 

[Knightmoves]

totally disagree....EJ isnt the right guy, we don't have to pay $1 million plus for 6-8 win season and it is highly likely that this year will be a 6-8 win season. You think that 6-26 is a sign of progress and how exactly does he recruit off of that.. I don't know the answers but that's up to Hobbs. Just like Onthebanks and others slammed Julie for not raising $100 million in 2 and half years. Its not Julies fault that Eddie cant recruit like Onthebanks implied. That is deflection. Yes the facilities are terrible and that's the main problem but how can you sell facility fundraising with a program going nowhere. I for one have lost a lot of interest in going to these games, last night was a chore, it was brutally uninteresting. I don't feel I would sign up again next year if Jordan is retained. I have sat through enough losing and judging by attendance and declining season ticket sales so have most people.

bac is about the only poster on the board who still talks about Julie and how her hands were tied. Goes to show that love truly is blind.

Watch and learn how a professional like Pat Hobbs approaches fundraising and the results he will achieve.

 

[78CollegeAve]

OP thought that Ryan Johnson was a player and that Goode would stretch the D and open things up inside. Wow, Laurents can score against CCSU? Awesome. Just awesome. The only interesting storyline this season will be Sanders. He's basketball's answer to Flounder in Animal House -- he f'd up. He trusted Eddie. So, how much of this crap will he (or his, uh, advisors) put up with?

 

[bac2therac]

bac is about the only poster on the board who still talks about Julie and how her hands were tied. Goes to show that love truly is blind.

Watch and learn how a professional like Pat Hobbs approaches fundraising and the results he will achieve.

I hope he does well, he needs to and he will need to deal with a new head basketball coach either this year or next

 

[RU-ROCS]

GW draws 3,500. It does not appear that they have a practice facility.

Mike Lonergan recruits good players and coaches the hell out of them.

I like Lonergan and can't argue with his success. But, FWIW, GW's facilities are nicer than ours and this is an apples to oranges comparison, as GW's facilities are on par with many other teams in their league, whereas we are vastly behind EVERY team in our league. That makes are you a tougher job when competing for P5 caliber players.

 

[RUMountie]

I think a lot of us are starting to feel this way. I like him a lot too. I loved watching him as a player, and loved the whole coming home story. He had some experience coaching and recruiting in college at Rutgers, and coupled with his NBA experience, I thought for sure he would be able to get us moving in the right direction.

It seems we just can't make a splash recruiting, and I am having a hard time seeing improvement in the players development.

I just don't know what to think right now. I am hopeful he can turn it around, and I doubt Hobbs will change after this season, so he will probably still get 2 more years to try.

I love college basketball, love watching Corey play, and can see Laurent has some talent, but watching our front court play is not easy, and the failure to dominate lower level teams is telling.

Its gonna be a long year, no doubt. I hope we get a few surprises along the way.

I think getting rid of EJ would be a big mistake right now. If you look at the best teams in the B1G their most productive players are almost always upperclassmen who have been in those programs for 3 or 4 years. Right now we need continuity and stability more than anything else. I think it would be a much better plan to let Hobbs assess and go full blast into fundraising for the new facilities while this young team/coaches take it's licks on the court this season. Gotta see some significant improvement by season's end. EJ has a core of young players that could be competitive if they stay together and improve. If we don't see reasonable improvement by next season, then you start to map out a plan for changing the coach. Let's hope EJ can coach these guys up over the next 3 or so months.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I need to see it soon.

I am not talking about wins and losses. I can even understand the team playing "street ball", not getting in to sets because of youth. I can even understand giving up dunks because we aren't polished with switching on screens. I am totally OK losing games because of not knocking down perimeter shots or turning the ball over because of pressure. i had ZERO problem with the St. John's loss...it was a "youth" loss.

Watching guys jog back on defense, watching guys refuse to move a step and drive a charge, watching guys wait for rebounds to come to them, watching guys not checking out on the foul line when it is a gift wrap to put a guy on your back, and watching us lose 50/50 balls isn't acceptable.

We played #350 out of #351 and shot the ball well, and they shot it poorly, and we didn't turn it over at home and we were still in a tight game. No OREBs in 1st 30 minutes of the game is almost impossible.

If this doesn't get turned around from an effort standpoint we are looking at many 30+ point losses in B1G. I truly thought there was going to be a change in culture. I saw a few signs early. last few games have been dreadful in the passion and effort category.

 

[RU-ROCS]

Mountie-

I don't think EJ is the answer, but you raise a valid point. However, the fact that EJ has no one signed for 2016 is a major concern. To be sure, a big part of the problem is the caliber of players, but that can't improve with no new recruits. I watched hall of famer Bo Ryan's Badgers lose at home to Milwaukee last night. The young guys on his team did not make him look like a good coach, yet we all know that he is.

 

[TDIrish27]

NW is in our league----no practice facility and they have zero tradition and the gym is ancient.

But they're getting better----not there by any means but giving their fans something to look forward to.

Not a ton to ask for IMO.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

They are taught at every level not the NBA. Even then, in the offseason, a lot of those guys go back to the basics. I see a lot of NBA guys come through my gym in the offseason with various skills coaches. They are doing stuff high school kids do.

Basketball isn't rocket science. The techniques are tried and true and must be taught over and over again. Watch a Michigan State or Duke practice and tell me they aren't working on those things listed.

So, how many Rutgers practices have you attended? Obviously, you know what is drilled and taught.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

They are taught at every level not the NBA. Even then, in the offseason, a lot of those guys go back to the basics. I see a lot of NBA guys come through my gym in the offseason with various skills coaches. They are doing stuff high school kids do.

Basketball isn't rocket science. The techniques are tried and true and must be taught over and over again. Watch a Michigan State or Duke practice and tell me they aren't working on those things listed.

So, how many Rutgers practices have you attended? Obviously, you know what is drilled and taught. What did you notice when you attended the open practice prior to the start of the season?

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

I can watch Sanders, and I like Laurent too. And I think Goode has solid overall BBIQ and skills. They are all frosh. But the down low stuff is killer.

 

[ruman]

I like Lonergan and can't argue with his success. But, FWIW, GW's facilities are nicer than ours and this is an apples to oranges comparison, as GW's facilities are on par with many other teams in their league, whereas we are vastly behind EVERY team in our league. That makes are you a tougher job when competing for P5 caliber players.

I'll take GWs players right now. He gets them at a non p5 school. I'm ok with that

 

[TDIrish27]

You really think Goode is a Big Ten Player ?

Who exactly is he going to guard ?

 

[RU-ROCS]

I can watch Sanders, and I like Laurent too. And I think Goode has solid overall BBIQ and skills. They are all frosh. But the down low stuff is killer.

One of the killers to our "down low stuff" is Doorson's injury. He flashed some real signs of his potential in Big10 play last year. Decent 7-footers are hard to come by and his injury is a big blow to this team. We have no margin for error.

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

One of the killers to our "down low stuff" is Doorson's injury. He flashed some real signs of his potential in Big10 play last year. Decent 7-footers are hard to come by and his injury is a big blow to this team. We have no margin for error.

no doubt but I wouldn't say he was playing lights out either. We don't have a single stud or player you can count on across the three. The inconsistency is the frustration.
Clearly not having him and a healthy Freeman is a big deal. But I wouldn't bet $10 that our play would be 2 grades better. (D to B)

 

[bac2therac]

the problem is more than half of the players are not Big 10 quality...and they still will not be as seniors. Freeman is gone after next year so the team is left with no one to replace him right now and Sanders the only legit Big 10 starter. Laurant and Williams may show some ability but these aren't starters on any other Big 10 team. So where are the players. Will Sanders stay until his senior year? EJ will have to get an enormously solid haul for RU to make the NCAA tourney in Sanders senior year because its definitely not coming before that. Lots of role and bench players on this team

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I like Doorson. His being healthy would have helped Having another body in practice and a guy to fight to get minutes.

Right now Lewis and Diallo are getting minutes. It would be nice if they had to earn the minutes. Doorson would force Diallo to put it in a higher gear in order to see the court.

 

[OntheBanks]

Hey, I'm trying to do my part by teaching my 5th and 6th grade church league boys to use the left hand on the lefty lay ups. (And the 1st and 2nd graders, too, but it is a lot harder with them).

That really points out our current problem. We're playing the equivalent of 1st & 2nd graders against teams playing their 5th & 6th graders.
Players get better with experience. We just don't have that yet. Where is our Senior leadership? Daniels? Where's the team chemistry? Hard to build after 10 games and with 2 bigs out and not even contributing to practices. Have a little patients.

 

[LC-88]

Watching Monmouth and NJIT win bigger games than RU is hard to stomach. No offense intended to those two teams. Why can they do it, and we can't? Facilities?