We have no LBs, no wide receivers, and no QB. Our lines are slow and lumbering. Four years of Flood recruiting are the root cause problem. Illinois has better talent across the board than we do. Flood decimated us. Ash needs to recruit his ass off for three years and develop a QB and some skill players.
The Talent Cupboard is Empty
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Our biggest play maker is a baseball player and part time time football player.
Says everything.
Says everything.
If you think it is talent alone, you are way wrong. Our last three coaching and AD hires came in as people who "ascended" to their jobs. Would any of the other Big Ten athletic departments have made any of the hires that we have made? No. And if you think "recruiting NJ" is the problem ... we keep repeating history. It has not worked and will not work. That ship has sailed. If a Div-1AA program like Lehigh can recruit all over the place, why can't Rutgers? Look at the geographic diversity of this roster.
http://www.lehighsports.com/roster.aspx?path=football
Why can't Rutgers do the same?
http://www.lehighsports.com/roster.aspx?path=football
Why can't Rutgers do the same?
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Maryland made a similar type hire, so yes.
So has Purdue and a number of other past hires.
We have no talent. It's Ash's job to get it. Unfortunately it takes time.
So has Purdue and a number of other past hires.
We have no talent. It's Ash's job to get it. Unfortunately it takes time.
Then your program is dead.
Good God, give the guy time. Your roster is horrendous and the highly rated kids you have aren't very good.
I'm like a broken record here but this is what happens to your program when you allow someone to convince you that stars don't matter. You should revisit the P5 offers thread that was on here earlier this week. That will tell you all you need to know.
BTW, many on our board think it is possible that MD may not win another B1G game this year. That undefeated record with 2 FCS schools was fool's gold.
forget about talent... our team doesn't even have football smarts. Thats what happens with a dud teaching your kids. People look lost out there.
Sorry if i wasn't clear. By dud i meant 4 years of Flood.
Sorry if i wasn't clear. By dud i meant 4 years of Flood.
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I took a look at Floods recruiting classes and compared them to Schiano's (Excluding 2012). If you ignore the stars and look at who they had offers from, it is day and night. Sorry these are at best AAC recruits. Sorry.
Average AAC recruits. We are competing in the B1G with Yukon level talent.
Guys, this wasn't OSU or UM - it was freaking illinois. A team that has had worse recruiting than us. A team that is one of the worst in the country.
... and they could have beaten us much worse than an already embarassing score.
This is far, far more than a talent issue. Of course, it's a factor...
But why can't we all have some basic common sense, and realize that it was probably a really really bad idea for a defensive head coach to hire a at the time 27 year old kid to run a Big 10 competitive offense.
... and they could have beaten us much worse than an already embarassing score.
This is far, far more than a talent issue. Of course, it's a factor...
But why can't we all have some basic common sense, and realize that it was probably a really really bad idea for a defensive head coach to hire a at the time 27 year old kid to run a Big 10 competitive offense.
We had recievers open 4 times for touchdowns 4 times today that the qb overthrew, not sure how u can say wrs can't get separation
Completely empty. Not one playmaker or difference maker on either side of the ball.
Talent level is relative. Our talent is as good as Illinois but much worse than Michigan.
The recruiting paradigm has to change. It has not and will not work in NJ. If Lehigh can land talent from PA and IL and MD and OH and OR and WA and FL and GA and CA, Rutgers can. Too much energy chasing top NJ talent. Never ending futility.
Omg first year in a new system without the only play maker. Wtf did people think was going to happen???
2012 class was Schiano. You expect more from that class. Flood's classes didn't leave much but can't give a pass on the senior class, which was on Schiano.
It's Illinois dude. They are in the same exact position with just as much talent. They had no problem executing.
I did not think a lack of talent was the issue today. It has been and will be on most Saturdays but the issue today was turnovers and poor execution at critical junctures. I was actually surprised Laviano got pulled when he did because we did move the ball. Yes he missed Patten on two deep balls and fumbled once but I thought on a relative basis he was better than on some other days where I thought he should have been pulled. I have no idea how this QB rotation is working. I left after the pick six but I am not sure Gio is much better. Ash seemed very positive in his post game comments about his play but both he and Mehringer seemed to pause when asked how many QBs are candidates for this open competition that will be held this week. Unfortunately I came out of this game thinking we probably don't win another one this year and while we will have better young talent next year, the ready to play talent will probably be worse.
It's about the players guys
Period
Pick your favorite five coaches in America and give them their existing staff
We aren't better than 3-4 with anyone right now
Period
Pick your favorite five coaches in America and give them their existing staff
We aren't better than 3-4 with anyone right now
Wanted to see three things this year and none had to do with wins vs Loses. 1) A disciplined team that does not quit. 2) Measurable improvement as the year progresses and 3) top flight B1G type recruiting class.
Sad as it is to say we are no way seeing 1 and 2 which leads to 3 - Ash has everything at stake with this years recruiting class - he blows this year we are in for a rough 3 years and he will no way survive it.
Hate to sound the panic alarm 7 games in but the lack of talent on this roster makes number 3 a must this year. Hoping it does not happen but 1 and 2 may will not make it easier.
Sad as it is to say we are no way seeing 1 and 2 which leads to 3 - Ash has everything at stake with this years recruiting class - he blows this year we are in for a rough 3 years and he will no way survive it.
Hate to sound the panic alarm 7 games in but the lack of talent on this roster makes number 3 a must this year. Hoping it does not happen but 1 and 2 may will not make it easier.
If Bo Melton stepped on campus today he would immediately be our best playmaker.
I agree, our roster has a lot more talent than Illinois. You do realize they haven't had a winning season since 2011. Illinois is devoid of talent, that is just a fact.
Too be Clear i'm not talking about Ash being the dud. This is 4 years of incompetence on all levels, coaching, scouting, recruiting.... And its manifesting itself all on the shoulders of Ash (not right, but he knew it would be this way)
Iowa and Illinois were both winnable. I'm sure there's a coach out there who could have had us at 4-3. That being said, I still believe Ash can get the job done.
I'm not surprised RU lost to a bad team. RU just had 2 epic beatings in a row - and a week of WFAN and fans telling team how bad they are. Francesa spent a week saying how RU doesn't belong in B1G but then says "I feel bad for the kids". I'm sure its killing him lol.
Its a frequent refrain when a new coach takes over that the cupboard is bare.The problem is filling the cupboard with better talent and sustaining the talent over consecutive seasons.Elite programs manage to do that but lower tier programs have sharp downturns that take years to overcome.Look at the Rutgers mens basketball program without one NCAA bid in 25 years and the only thing that has changed is the names of the coaches and players but the results remain the same.
They have two DEs that will probably be picked in mid rounds of the NFL draft. Their QBs (starter and backup) are easily better than anyone we have. Seriously, you guys are so wrong on your evaluation of our talent level.
No QB? How about we get a center that can snap, and run pro style with an active slot and tight end. What we have is NO COACHING.
So will Bryce Watts, Jon Taylor, Jon Lewis and Jon Lovett. NOBODY on this current squad has the speed of Watts or Taylor - that should tell you something already. If Jon Lewis was on this squad he would be starting for us and we would have beaten Iowa and Illinois. Look at his game against BC, you can't tell me we couldn't have used some of that talent?
Ash can recruit but dammit don't make it harder for him with all this negativity. We need talent, lots of it. All this whining is not helping.
Yes, let's go get a center that can snap. Any suggestions from the current roster? Here's a hint, maybe there's nobody else better!!!
BTW, Nelson has been at Rutgers for FIVE YEARS. You really think coaching was the result of his snapping mistakes?
We warned everybody. This has been coming for 3 years. People simply did NOT want to listen.
Bingo! Posters can criticize Ash, Meringer, the play calling, the schemes, the friggin' uniforms, etc., but the overwhelming reason we suck right now is the total lack of depth and talent on this team. Flood's recruiting and attrition rates were criminally bad and have set us back a few years! Anyone who can't see that doesn't have their eyes open, or has some other agenda.
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