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This shot chart is a total indictment of steve pikiells lack of an offense

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When you look at a dusty may offensive shot chart side by side with a steve pikiell shot chart, it really drives it home. There is no rhyme or reason to pretty much anything we do on offense. It’s street ball. It’s pick up basketball. Zero attempt at efficiency or trying to create high % looks.

Shits gotta change

 
Ehhh Michigans shot chart looks like it does because our lane defense is complete dog $hit.

And last night is not the night to pick apart the offense aside from the last few minutes of the game.

We literally shot 68% fg in the first half and made 18-20 at one point.

Did you watch?

Not saying we don’t need an offensive minded coach but this is a dumb tweet / shot chart for this game. Proves nothing.
 
Ugly. That lone blue dot from the scorer's table was a brutal finisher, though.
I generally agree with this. I have been saying for years we need to take more 3 point attempts (and better than that, make them). here's what I'll say though--Ace takes (and makes) a lot mid range shots which will make our shot chart look bad. And because he's Ace they're still good shots.

that being said, I agree. basketball should be mostly less than 10 foot shots or more than 22 feet
 
I generally agree with this. I have been saying for years we need to take more 3 point attempts (and better than that, make them). here's what I'll say though--Ace takes (and makes) a lot mid range shots which will make our shot chart look bad. And because he's Ace they're still good shots.

that being said, I agree. basketball should be mostly less than 10 foot shots or more than 22 feet
It's not just Ace taking those shots, though. Sommerville taking 20 footers is ridiculous, for instance.

Michigan's chart looks like that because they have two seven footers who drive a lot of their offense, and they operate in the paint. They also have a penetrating point guard who looks for them in the paint, or who takes threes.

And yes, we were lights out in the first half.... But we also settled for a lot of bad mid-range shots by the wrong people in the second half, and went 0-12 for a stretch.
 
When you look at a dusty may offensive shot chart side by side with a steve pikiell shot chart, it really drives it home. There is no rhyme or reason to pretty much anything we do on offense. It’s street ball. It’s pick up basketball. Zero attempt at efficiency or trying to create high % looks.

Shits gotta change

The shot chart is much more an indictment of the defense. The offense is putting up plenty of points. But keep banging that drum.
 
It's not just Ace taking those shots, though. Sommerville taking 20 footers is ridiculous, for instance.

Michigan's chart looks like that because they have two seven footers who drive a lot of their offense, and they operate in the paint. They also have a penetrating point guard who looks for them in the paint, or who takes threes.

And yes, we were lights out in the first half.... But we also settled for a lot of bad mid-range shots by the wrong people in the second half, and went 0-12 for a stretch.
you're right. the Somerville's 20 footers are bad selection.
 
The shot chart is much more an indictment of the defense. The offense is putting up plenty of points. But keep banging that drum.
It's a combination of both. This is not your typical Pike defensive driven team. But it is very much the way Pikes shot charts have looked over the years. The offensive game has changed. Mid range jumpers are a thing of the past (don't necessarily think that is a good thing). It is lay ups, dunks or 3 pointers. Yet here we have a good percentage of our shot selection in the 5-20 ft range. ANd the worst part is we are not that efficient at hitting those shots with regularity. 1st half last night was an anomaly. I would love to see a full season shot chart, compared to every other B1G, power conference team. It won't play out well I am sure.
 
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That shot chart represents our team pretty well. Not great in the paint or from 3 (where you want to be), and a bunch of guys that are best in the midrange even though it's completely inefficient. The stand out is all the paint misses we have.
 
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Ehhh Michigans shot chart looks like it does because our lane defense is complete dog $hit.

And last night is not the night to pick apart the offense aside from the last few minutes of the game.

We literally shot 68% fg in the first half and made 18-20 at one point.

Did you watch?

Not saying we don’t need an offensive minded coach but this is a dumb tweet / shot chart for this game. Proves nothing.
U should see a nate oates shot chart. Same thing. Its just basketball. There is almost never a good reason to shoot a mid range shot just inside the 3 point line
 
U should see a nate oates shot chart. Same thing. Its just basketball. There is almost never a good reason to shoot a mid range shot just inside the 3 point line

I generally agree about the mid range jumpers but our charts this year would also be impacted heavily by Ace.

He’s an exception to the rule, but would still like to see him shoot less of those.

Somerville’s shot selection from outside the paint is horrific, needs addressing if he’s back next year.

But last night isn’t the game to get on the offense (with the exception of the last 4-5 minutes)

The real takeaway from this specific shot chart if you watched the game would be how horrid our defense continues to be in the paint.
 
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I generally agree about the mid range jumpers but our charts this year would also be impacted heavily by Ace.

He’s an exception to the rule, but would still like to see him shoot less of those.

Somerville’s shot selection from outside the paint is horrific, needs addressing if he’s back next year.

But last night isn’t the game to get on the offense (with the exception of the last 4-5 minutes)

The real takeaway from this specific shot chart if you watched the game would be how horrid our defense continues to be in the paint.
It is not a this year thing. You can go back and look at prior years.
 
Its called efficiency and NONE of our shot selections are based on efficiency outside of Harpers drives to the basket. He shoots nearly 80% at the rim. an Offensive strategy would try and get you the best selection if highly efficient shots you can and its clear from Dusty May's grid above that is the what they were expecting to do.
 
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It's a combination of both. This is not your typical Pike defensive driven team. But it is very much the way Pikes shot charts have looked over the years. The offensive game has changed. Mid range jumpers are a thing of the past (don't necessarily think that is a good thing). It is lay ups, dunks or 3 pointers. Yet here we have a good percentage of our shot selection in the 5-20 ft range. ANd the worst part is we are not that efficient at hitting those shots with regularity. 1st half last night was an anomaly. I would love to see a full season shot chart, compared to every other B1G, power conference team. It won't play out well I am sure.
Yes mid-range jump shots are being phased out of the game, and I agree it's not a good thing at all, especially if the team doesn't have a strong post presence and/or good 3PT shooters. The mid-range 2 may not be the most efficient shot statistically, but those who excel at it make them a much more difficult player to guard (see DeMar Derozan, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Jalen Brunson, etc. in the NBA).

As a defender, I actually think a shot chart like Michigan's is much EASIER to guard for teams with a good rim protector or two. For example, if a guard takes at least one dribble from the 3PT line, it is really predictable that its going to be a drive to the rim and as a defender you don't have to worry about them pulling up from the mid-range and minimizes the player's threat as a "three-level scorer".

That's part of the reason why a guy like Acuff (who doesn't get to the rim all that much) is better on offense than Dercack (who is better at getting to the rim but has no mid-range or 3PT shot). Another guy is Adam Clark from Merrimack. Takes over 17 shots a game and only 2 of them will be 3's (a lot of mid-range shots), and he had a great game against RU.

So while RU should look to get to the rim more and improve shot selection, that doesn't mean they should be like Michigan and not attempt any mid-range jump shots.
 
It's not just Ace taking those shots, though. Sommerville taking 20 footers is ridiculous, for instance.

Michigan's chart looks like that because they have two seven footers who drive a lot of their offense, and they operate in the paint. They also have a penetrating point guard who looks for them in the paint, or who takes threes.

And yes, we were lights out in the first half.... But we also settled for a lot of bad mid-range shots by the wrong people in the second half, and went 0-12 for a stretch.
Do you want Somerville taking shots at the rim?

You hit on why UM shot chart looks like that

That shot chart is EXHIBIT A why Somerville, in my eyes, can't be a 20+ MPG player in B1G and expect to win.
 
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Kyk is obviously wrong that this indicates anything about “not running an offense” (did NBA teams from the 90s or whatever not “run an offense”?) but it does indicate Pikiell’s refusal to embrace modern basketball concepts on offense which is definitely a problem. We’re never going to be good at offense like that and will be limited to trying to win with elite defense and mediocre offense.
 
When you look at a dusty may offensive shot chart side by side with a steve pikiell shot chart, it really drives it home. There is no rhyme or reason to pretty much anything we do on offense. It’s street ball. It’s pick up basketball. Zero attempt at efficiency or trying to create high % looks.

Shits gotta change

 
When you look at a dusty may offensive shot chart side by side with a steve pikiell shot chart, it really drives it home. There is no rhyme or reason to pretty much anything we do on offense. It’s street ball. It’s pick up basketball. Zero attempt at efficiency or trying to create high % looks.

Shits gotta change

"But iso-ball is an offense." Biggest lie ever. Shot chart shows we only play playground offense.
 
"But iso-ball is an offense." Biggest lie ever. Shot chart shows we only play playground offense.
no. it's on purpose to optimize production/performance of the roster, so it is the chosen offense. Pike knows what works best for this team. It's not good enough to win all that much due to the overall talent level, but it's the best plan.

You want Davis getting more touches god forbid ? You want Sommerville getting open looks or cutting to the hoop for a pass doing a Luka Garza imitation ?

It's this simple: the less the ball moves out of Harper's and Ace's hands, the less opportunity for the others on the floor with them to f-up a set.
 
Not great. Btw they scored 58 total points that game haha.

We just scored 82…

The way to be successful under Pikiell is to go back to being a physical, defensive minded team who can bang around for boards and blocks…and have a mediocre offense to good offense.

Our chart will always look closer to MSU’s than it will Michigans. We will never look or run like the team you want us to be.

I also think Michigans chart from last night is a bit skewed because they have two 7 footers who can shoot and their entire team got to the rim at will last night. Me and you could get to the hoop against Lathan.
 
We just scored 82…

The way to be successful under Pikiell is to go back to being a physical, defensive minded team who can bang around for boards and blocks…and have a mediocre offense to good offense.

Our chart will always look closer to MSU’s than it will Michigans. We will never look or run like the team you want us to be.

I also think Michigans chart from last night is a bit skewed because they have two 7 footers who can shoot and their entire team got to the rim at will last night. Me and you could get to the hoop against Lathan.
Im telling you its not that skewed. Look at his shot charts over the years. Idk if theres a stat for it but id bet over his 9 years that we’re top 20 of the 360ish d1 teams in mid range shot attempts per possession
 
Im telling you it’s not that skewed. Look at his shot charts over the years. Idk if theres a stat for it but id bet over his 9 years that we’re top 20 of the 360ish d1 teams in mid range shot attempts per possession
I would agree that our team prob takes more mid/longe range 2s than most teams. Ace can shoot from anywhere bit even he takes very inefficient shots many times.

That said, why go back to defense and no offense?? Were we actually lighting it up in terms of wins under the other model? We made the NCAAs one true time!! Everyone complained about our offense. We need better balance and new schemes
 
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Im telling you its not that skewed. Look at his shot charts over the years. Idk if theres a stat for it but id bet over his 9 years that we’re top 20 of the 360ish d1 teams in mid range shot attempts per possession

I’m saying Michigan’s chart was skewed from last night most likely because the Rutgers paint was swiss cheese.

They also have the personnel for a nice looking chart like an NBA team.

Our chart will never look like that under Pikiell.
 
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I’m doubtful that he brings in any new coaches specifically for developing offensive sets. It’s back to rock fights next season without Ace and Dylan.. hopefully we bring in a few really good defenders
 
Do you want Somerville taking shots at the rim?

You hit on why UM shot chart looks like that

That shot chart is EXHIBIT A why Somerville, in my eyes, can't be a 20+ MPG player in B1G and expect to win.
He shoots 86% (86%!!!) from the foul line and is going to the line more each game. Not factoring that in, and foul shooting generally, diminishes the shot chart value. And based on his foul shooting he certainly projects to be a good shooter in future years.
 
He shoots 86% (86%!!!) from the foul line and is going to the line more each game. Not factoring that in, and foul shooting generally, diminishes the shot chart value. And based on his foul shooting he certainly projects to be a good shooter in future years.
1. I agree he can be a good shooter
2. Foul shooting really doesn't mean much to shooting FGs though

Having a 5 that has his attributes is a non starter if you fancy yourself as a good defensive team. Really just ends the conversation.

There are many reasons we stink defensively this year. Our defensive play from the 5 leads the list.
 
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We scored 82 points,

We lost because they got 21 dunks/layups and while shooting 72% from 2, but 66% from free throw line…Ogbole finished with 3 fouls left on the table.

At some point, when we cooled off, Pike had a decision to make - to stick with the lineup or recognize guards getting beat for easy layups wed to be either supported (put in Ogbole to goon it up) or punished (taken out of the game).

The most concerning offensive stat for me isn’t shot distribution it’s 9 assists on 30 makes. A healthy offense should have been 15-16.

Most guys can hit a 15 footer in rhythm, 50% of the time so it’s not the fact that it’s a mid-range shot, but that they are difficult 1v1 mid-range shots.
 
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