Thoughts on Pikiell’s Words About Peter Kiss?
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Nothing personal OP but no matter how much it comes up I don’t think anyone on this board is going to know the details of what’s going on with Kiss
It seems obvious to me Pickell is making it clear to Kiss he needs to move on after this season. Whether it’s simply talent reasons, off the court issues, combination of both Ext etc, we probably won’t know until after the season
It seems obvious to me Pickell is making it clear to Kiss he needs to move on after this season. Whether it’s simply talent reasons, off the court issues, combination of both Ext etc, we probably won’t know until after the season
Anything to derail the situation with asking about Kiss to take away from Brooks, Joey Downes and Nathan....same story with these media guys. Kids don't play at every program and it's understood why and how that helps Kiss once he decides to move on, why toss that question in...??
Fans want to know what is going on. The fans are his clients.
Don’t understand the interest in a guy who best belongs on the bench. Let sleeping dogs lie
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Jerry Carino is not out for some scummy story, though. He is a good college bball writer and a good guy. He's asking a question that fans are asking. I think that's the media's job.
I don't think it takes away from what Luke, Nick, and Joey did.
I thought I saw him in the window at Honeyglow as I drove home at about 9:15 pm....or was it Subway??
The play of the reserves and the Pete Kiss issues are completely separate situations. Yes, the question needs to be asked by the media. He was a minor game contributor (not a bench warmer/practice player) last year and early this season. (Seeing him in practice the other day, I still think he could fill in 5-10 minutes a game). The fact that he is in neither role, not seeing the floor at all, should be answered -
(at some point) . It obviously was not tonight. Until it is, further threads are probably futile...
(at some point) . It obviously was not tonight. Until it is, further threads are probably futile...
It’s a totally fair question. If Kiss has not been a behavioral problem then Pike’s treatment of him is starting to border on cruel. He easily could have played him today and a few other games as well.
@Unionst Exactly. Pete played as a true Freshman at Quinnepack, sat a year to come here, played last year, and now has one year left after this year. He can't transfer. This is it. The fact that he is not seeing any minutes at all, none, even when the walk-ons are playing, is terrible. When they beat Seton Hall and everyone celebrated on the court, he just walked back to the locker room with his head down and wasn't even in the team photo with the trophy. It's like it's an Amish team and the kid has been shunned. It's not fair to him, and it's not good for the chemistry of the team. So yeah, @NewJerseyHawk it's a valid question
This is Peter's 4th year of college so if he graduates he could transfer and be eligible immediately. Just maybe he can graduate after this semester and be eligible somewhere else with next semester and all of next year to play. Is that a possibility? If not he could graduate in May and have a year to play with a chance of getting a 6th year to play as well if he does have an injury and wins an appeal to get this year back so he could actually play 2 years still as a grad student somewhere else. Just maybe Coach and Pete might have spoken about this. I am sure we will eventually hear something. I hope whatever happens is best for Peter.
Pike is a real good guy. I highly doubt he is being unfair. I have zero idea what is going on, but I could paint many scenarios where we all would agree that things were being handled correctly.
Everyone knows what's going on, I don't understand how following the program and better players doesn't register.
We have 3 to 4 starting lineup football players who made a decision to only play up to the maximum 4 games allowed, so they can preserve a redshirt season. Kiss is not a player that is going to beat out Jacob Young as a defender or Paul Mulcahy, McConnell as a back up PG, defender.
He has the right, as a player to make a decision to either play minimum minutes and burn a season of eligibility OR not play those handful of minutes and potentially save them for a potential next stop.
If RU had a rash of injuries and there were a substantial amount of minutes suddenly available, I am sure Kiss would play. He's not a bad teammate, a bad person or something along those lines.
It's a valid question if there was 100% no chance he would be needed or 100% chance he couldn't play. It is NOT a valid question when the person or reporter already knows the answer and it's spun as if it's somehow a coaching staff decision when it's clearly not 100% on Pike or the staff.
The player is not going to outright tell anyone in the media that I am preserving a potential redshirt or somehow becoming this vilified selfish player, because he doesn't want to waste a season of eligibility.
Suddenly no one could have asked Art Sitkowski, Raheem Blackshear or Jalen Jordan why they entered the transfer portal AFTER the season ended??......everyone knew they made a business decision to preserve their season BEFORE the end of the season or during the season...... yet no one has any interview or confirmation from the player or coach when it happened or why it happened.....why should the program essentially label the players decision to the entire world...?? So we can ruin the player's reputation publically?????....all we got was vague and unanswered questions when everyone with a pulse, already knows what's happening.
This is not "news"....&.when Carino or whomever asked this same question 1000 times by SHU fans about why Taurean Thompson doesn't play now or didn't play in their blowouts, the message was "no comment" after Game 1 or 2 and it was accommodated by Carino to NOT continue to ask why Thompson doesn't play for SHU.....AND they actually have an injury to Mamu, a starting player who plays Thompsons position......
I don't see the media continuing to ask Kevin Willard why their prized transfer from Syracuse, isn't playing, once Mamu was hurt and out for 6 to 8 weeks......I don't think by game 13, when RU has had 5 to 6 opportunities for Kiss to play off the bench, makes sense to keep asking a question.
This is not a dictatorship where coaches have 100% control over how student athletes and their eligibility is or isn't used. You only ask the question, if the reporter truly doesn't have a clue or has no idea about big time college basketball, which isn't the case here.
If fans here can't digest this or choose not to, we can continue to ask this question for the next 2 to 3 months and call it "news that the fans who also have a football program with 85 scholarship athletes, yet also has a fan base with absolutely no clue how a transfer process or portal works"......
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No he is not he is a Seton Hall shill any positive press he gives Rutgers is begrudgingly done
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The obsession with this kid is fascinating. FYI there are 4 kiss threads on this board...that’s just a bit much.
After seeing how Sitkowski and Blackshear were treated by some RU fans, can you blame Kiss or the coaches for not coming right out and say it? KISS is a proud Scarlet Knight and he tried his best while he was here and still does, his team mates all love him and hopefully he looks back on his years on the banks fondly, he will most likely graduate with a degree from RUTGERS and we should be proud of a fellow alumnus, now he will choose to move on as a grad transfer and play immediately. Perhaps there’s a hardship waiver he will try to appeal for or along those lines, in which case it doesn’t make sense for him to play at all this season and potentially burn eligibility.
Your whole premise that he can save a redshirt is incorrect. His only remaining option is to stay at RU one more year or grad transfer.
i hope you are right but if he is just trying to run Kiss off the team this is a very harsh way to do it.
Unless he has an undisclosed season ending injury (which he seemingly doesn't, given his pre game warm ups), there is no eligibility to preserve. He has one more year after this one (since he already used his redshirt year), so he can't enter the portal as anything other than a grad transfer.
He can try to petition for a 6th year waiver, but without any sort of injury that is highly unlikely.
It is not a redshirt if you petition for a 6th year via injury waiver, which happens all the time in football. Which can be easily argued without disclosing an injury, if that's the path the player wants to potentially pursue.
The challenge with that is that you don't know whether your waiver will be approved until after you transfer. So you cannot enter the portal as a regular transfer with just one year of eligibility remaining, because a team would then be risking a year of scholarship with no return if the waiver doesn't come through.
If he graduates this year and goes the grad transfer route, he might be able to petition for a second grad transfer year. Or if he drops down to D3.
He's in a tougher situation already being a RS Junior, which is very different than the other examples you've mentioned on the football side.
Would also be a hard sell to the NCAA for an injury waiver given that he's been suiting up for games, warming up with the team before tip off, and practicing.
It's a strange situation that doesn't have an obvious explanation like Blackshear or Sitkowski did.
It may be as simple as Kiss not wanting mop up minutes, preferring to get minutes in the rotation or not at all.
The entire premise isn't to try and figure out why Kiss is or isn't playing. The question asked when the player isn't playing is valid to a certain extent. We are entering 2020 and have played 13 games. I find the question after 13 games as odd or unnecessary.
If fans believe this is worth discussing vs other basketball items or recruiting, that's fine.
I guess it means we've moved on from talking about Eugene Omoyuri and how many believers were banging the drum on how essential he was going to be for RU this year.
There are going to be many phantom reasons rehashed or recycled when opinions fans have, are looking for reasons to find controversy or negativity. They're going to resurface as soon as that bad loss happens or a bad game or slump occurs with a couple of players.
It will be the OOC wasn't tough enough.....it will be Jay Young leaving and the defense suffering.....it will be the "leadership" lost when Eugene left for Oregon, it will be how Peter Kiss didn't make the necessary impact we perhaps hoped for.....or we will see mentions of recruiting and how we offered a scholarship to Souf Mensah while ignoring all the other gems and pieces found in recruiting to build the program up.....or countless other things that fans hoping to pound the table about, as soon as something doesn't go perfectly.
If fans believe this is worth discussing vs other basketball items or recruiting, that's fine.
I guess it means we've moved on from talking about Eugene Omoyuri and how many believers were banging the drum on how essential he was going to be for RU this year.
There are going to be many phantom reasons rehashed or recycled when opinions fans have, are looking for reasons to find controversy or negativity. They're going to resurface as soon as that bad loss happens or a bad game or slump occurs with a couple of players.
It will be the OOC wasn't tough enough.....it will be Jay Young leaving and the defense suffering.....it will be the "leadership" lost when Eugene left for Oregon, it will be how Peter Kiss didn't make the necessary impact we perhaps hoped for.....or we will see mentions of recruiting and how we offered a scholarship to Souf Mensah while ignoring all the other gems and pieces found in recruiting to build the program up.....or countless other things that fans hoping to pound the table about, as soon as something doesn't go perfectly.
Because unlike football..hoops is more intimate..there are only a dozen are so players and they are not wearing helmets. I dont know about others but i feel a closeless to hoops players that i dont get from football
Its quite natural for fans to wonder whats going on with Kiss. Unlike with football you can spot every reaction. I really don't see the issue with questions being asked
Its quite natural for fans to wonder whats going on with Kiss. Unlike with football you can spot every reaction. I really don't see the issue with questions being asked
The premise is exactly to figure out why kiss is or isn't playing. And yes, it is valid to ask the question when a scholarship player isn't seeing the floor even in OOC blowouts.
We saw Bullock not see the floor for a long stretch of games, too, but we all assumed it was due to conditioning and not burning his redshirt as a true freshman. Kiss doesn't have such an easy and pat answer.
After a blowout victory over a team that won't even count come the end of the year, it's perfectly rational to try to speculate why one of our 12 scholarship players is going unused instead of discussing the merits/flaws of that game.
If your asking and have no awareness of college sports, transfers or how things work, YES it's a valid question.
If the roster has depth and similar or better/younger talent and no awareness that playing in minimal minutes, could potentially burn a chance (whether real or imagined) for an opportunity for him to be a grad transfer with 2 years of eligibility, I dont see why asking the question halfway through the season, continue to make sense.
While it is not exactly the same case, Pittsburgh lost forward Cam Johnson as a grad transfer to North Carolina. He had graduated in 3 years as a redshirt during his freshman season. He played 2 years at Pitt and transferred to UNC with TWO years to play at UNC, other than the typical 1 year as a grad transfer.
If Kiss has an unknown injury designation that is real or imagined for this year and has potentially graduated academically already or by the end of May, he "could" potentially see if he can get a 2nd year as a grad transfer vs the typical/standard 1 year.
I don't see the downside of this as a potential thought process by the player.
The linked article shows that you don't have to sit out as a grad transfer and Johnson played two years before getting drafted to the NBA (currently on the Phoenix Suns).
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si...06/17/cameron-johnson-north-carolina-transfer
Bingo!
We know for a FACT if Kiss plays this year it will burn a year of his eligibility
We DO NOT know if he doesn't play one minute whether he could get this year (a 6th year) of eligibility back.
Occam's Razor.
If Kiss was really gunning to thread the needle for a two-year-grad-transfer-as-a-RS-Junior-by-getting-injury-waiver scenario, wouldn't it then make more sense for him to be in street clothes on game days and not warming up with the team prior to tip? For him to be suited up, dunking the ball in warm ups, and then to claim injury... is a tough sell, as I've said.
Cam Johnson wasn't a RS Jr when he transferred and there was no waiver involved, so not a comparable situation - unless you're trying to explain how a grad transfer can get two years, but I already mentioned that as a possibility above (so not sure who that explanation would be for).
The narrative of "he's trying to preserve a year of eligibility" relies 100% on this being a year he can get an injury waiver for. Yet, instead of sitting on the bench in plain clothes and not participating in pre-game warm ups, he's in uniform and dunking the ball in front of cameras.
And Occam's Razor wouldn't get us to "grad transfer with sixth year after injury waiver" here, because it is far from the simplest answer with the fewest assumptions.
Cam Johnson wasn't a RS Jr when he transferred and there was no waiver involved, so not a comparable situation - unless you're trying to explain how a grad transfer can get two years, but I already mentioned that as a possibility above (so not sure who that explanation would be for).
The narrative of "he's trying to preserve a year of eligibility" relies 100% on this being a year he can get an injury waiver for. Yet, instead of sitting on the bench in plain clothes and not participating in pre-game warm ups, he's in uniform and dunking the ball in front of cameras.
And Occam's Razor wouldn't get us to "grad transfer with sixth year after injury waiver" here, because it is far from the simplest answer with the fewest assumptions.
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