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Finally an entertaining game at High Points Solution that wasnt riddled with bad defense and have to put up 150 points to try and win. I think this the type of game that can keep the fanbase hanging on while the Ash rebuild or build actually proceeds. RU could have won the game and you could make a case that they should have won the game. The QB position with Laviano is a killer. There is no way to get around it. He doesnt do what he needs to do as general of the team. He just isnt a D1 QB, it is what it is. Its amazing RU was even in position to win this game with how totally limited the offense is because of the poor QB play. That is the hope, thats what going to keep us going through these expected blowout losses to Ohio State and realistically Michigan in the next two weeks.

Ash has been able to vastly improve the defense not only from last year but from game one vs Washington. Each week we have seen it getter better and better and today it shut down a bigger and more experienced Iowa offense. Ash and the players made major improvement on getting their heads on straight at the start of the game eliminating the first quarter hole. I didnt think talent was the issue today necessarily I think it came down to coaching. This game was Rutgers for the taking against a generally flat Iowa. This isnt a bash of Ash so no one should take it as one. I thought RU outplayed Iowa overall but inexperienced and youthful coaching mistakes ultimately decided the game given the limited output of the quarterback position. Be it that playcalling near the goalline, not going for the fg on 4th before halftime which he should have...you just HAVE to score something there, to come away with nothing on such an incredible play by Grant and one he got injured on isnt good Another was using all the timeouts before crunch time. These kinds of little things add up. This game will be a learning experience for the coaching staff. Ash will not lose a game like this in 3 years but today he is still learning and the team is still growing.....and thats okay. Credit them for preparing the players and devising a gameplan to keep them in the game when even the most optimistic RU fan really didnt think we had a shot at this game.

Sure its disappointing not to win but it actually gives a little more glimmer of hope that hey maybe RU can get to a bowl, although its still a longshot. There is no reason that RU cannot win any of the games other than Michigan and Ohio State. The takeaway from today is improvement...improvement from last season, improvement from Washington, improvement from New Mexicos. Yes the gauntlet is tough these next two weeks, have to make it through them without the injuries piling up and without getting their heads down. I have no clue whats going to go on with the QB situation but its a definite pickle because you either put out an anemic offense with Laviano or you throw one of the other guys to the wolves of OSU and Michigan

Note on attendence....Looks like 44K reported, may have been close to actual but more like 42K I think, thats still weak IMO, but it is what it is with the casual fanbase. Fans did a more horrendous job than usual in getting in, we arent even talking about pregame. I mean literally we had 24-25K fo kickoff, thats embarrassing. Students didnt do their protest. They were way late to the game but at least they ended up there in solid numbers and the so called Alleygate proved to be more bark than bite. Looks like around 5K Iowa fans there and they were generally harmless and alot clustered in the upper levels Hoping we can get 50K for Michigan, going to see huge drops for dynamic pricing and 8-10K Michigan fans in the building

Horse video continues to be MIA and thats unacceptable. Way too much piped in music, like literally every break and they continue to drown out the band or any organic cheers, even playing music and a commercial during a RU chant. I think the game day production is just doing way too much this year.
 
ash coaches his ash off on defense from sidelines---and he makes adjustments-2 time outs were due to bad formation mistakes by a younger player-we would have endangered the one successful drive--this staff has nothing but gotten team better
 
Serious question, here . . .

I've noticed (for a long time, but certainly today), that we get absolutely NO blocking on punt returns. I saw three Iowa players racing straight down the middle of the field toward our return guy (whether Grant or the others). This happens regularly. I know their punter had good hang time, and it could simply be the other teams are much faster than our guys . . . but c'mon, man, don't we have some way to push those guys to the outside, or gum up the middle a bit better, or something? I can understand when we used to get a great push up front and would occasionally block a kick, but we can't seem to do that anymore -- isn't it worth it to drop some guys back simply to give our return guy a chance to catch it, or are we satisfied with fair catching it 90% of the time? Not bad-mouthing anyone, just something I've seen year after year. Football brains, educate me, please. Thanks.
 
Serious question, here . . .

I've noticed (for a long time, but certainly today), that we get absolutely NO blocking on punt returns. I saw three Iowa players racing straight down the middle of the field toward our return guy (whether Grant or the others). This happens regularly. I know their punter had good hang time, and it could simply be the other teams are much faster than our guys . . . but c'mon, man, don't we have some way to push those guys to the outside, or gum up the middle a bit better, or something? I can understand when we used to get a great push up front and would occasionally block a kick, but we can't seem to do that anymore -- isn't it worth it to drop some guys back simply to give our return guy a chance to catch it, or are we satisfied with fair catching it 90% of the time? Not bad-mouthing anyone, just something I've seen year after year. Football brains, educate me, please. Thanks.


I think this staff doesnt actively seek to block which is okay but it doesnt seem like they do a great job at giving Iowa coverage any resistance to get down to Grant. Perhaps its part of the plan to aid Grant in returning the kick if he can get by those first defenders. I thought the Iowa punter was excellent all day today with hangtime and placement and Grant had no chance to do anything
 
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Serious question, here . . .

I've noticed (for a long time, but certainly today), that we get absolutely NO blocking on punt returns. I saw three Iowa players racing straight down the middle of the field toward our return guy (whether Grant or the others). This happens regularly. I know their punter had good hang time, and it could simply be the other teams are much faster than our guys . . . but c'mon, man, don't we have some way to push those guys to the outside, or gum up the middle a bit better, or something? I can understand when we used to get a great push up front and would occasionally block a kick, but we can't seem to do that anymore -- isn't it worth it to drop some guys back simply to give our return guy a chance to catch it, or are we satisfied with fair catching it 90% of the time? Not bad-mouthing anyone, just something I've seen year after year. Football brains, educate me, please. Thanks.

Lack of quality depth have hurt our return teams. Yes, Grant has 2 return TD's this year, however, it's ALL him. Grant has 4-5 guys on top of him practically every freakin' punt and that's with us in "punt return" not "punt block" formations.
 
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Way too much piped in music, like literally every break and they continue to drown out the band or any organic cheers, even playing music and a commercial during a RU chant. I think the game day production is just doing way too much this year.

music/band - they have production meetings, with the band included, before home games. We were told 2 years ago that the problem is the band (see: Tim Smith) and that he agrees to a "script" and then doesn't stick to it during the game.
 
Serious question, here . . .

I've noticed (for a long time, but certainly today), that we get absolutely NO blocking on punt returns. I saw three Iowa players racing straight down the middle of the field toward our return guy (whether Grant or the others). This happens regularly. I know their punter had good hang time, and it could simply be the other teams are much faster than our guys . . . but c'mon, man, don't we have some way to push those guys to the outside, or gum up the middle a bit better, or something? I can understand when we used to get a great push up front and would occasionally block a kick, but we can't seem to do that anymore -- isn't it worth it to drop some guys back simply to give our return guy a chance to catch it, or are we satisfied with fair catching it 90% of the time? Not bad-mouthing anyone, just something I've seen year after year. Football brains, educate me, please. Thanks.
I noticed the same thing the last few weeks, particularly during the Iowa game. When punting to Rutgers, the opponents are allowed to run straight downfield without even being challenged by Rutgers players, leaving the punt returner with no opportunity to return it. When I got home later and watched the game on TV, it was even more glaringly apparent. Come on, if RU isn't going to try and block the punt, at least TRY to impede the opposing players. Do something to help the punt returner.
 
I noticed the same thing the last few weeks, particularly during the Iowa game. When punting to Rutgers, the opponents are allowed to run straight downfield without even being challenged by Rutgers players, leaving the punt returner with no opportunity to return it. When I got home later and watched the game on TV, it was even more glaringly apparent. Come on, if RU isn't going to try and block the punt, at least TRY to impede the opposing players. Do something to help the punt returner.
Guessing this changes a bit now with Harris as the return man.
 
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I noticed the same thing the last few weeks, particularly during the Iowa game. When punting to Rutgers, the opponents are allowed to run straight downfield without even being challenged by Rutgers players, leaving the punt returner with no opportunity to return it. When I got home later and watched the game on TV, it was even more glaringly apparent. Come on, if RU isn't going to try and block the punt, at least TRY to impede the opposing players. Do something to help the punt returner.

Again, we simply don't have the same # of quality athletes on the depth chart that we did under Schiano, and you can really see it on ST's (other than Grant...). Hopefully Harris can be a good one but he's going to be doing it on his own.
 
We are starting to look like we belong out there and it really seems like these kids have bought in to this staff's philosophy and they believe they can play. It is good to see. Now, with the injuries we sustained it will be interesting to see how this staff rallies these players to step up.
 
We are starting to look like we belong out there and it really seems like these kids have bought in to this staff's philosophy and they believe they can play. It is good to see. Now, with the injuries we sustained it will be interesting to see how this staff rallies these players to step up.

These injuries are rough ones. We all know - or at least most of us do - that there is a serious "quality depth" issue and losing guys like Grant and Lambert are going to really sting. Sucks.
 
These injuries are rough ones. We all know - or at least most of us do - that there is a serious "quality depth" issue and losing guys like Grant and Lambert are going to really sting. Sucks.


AND, we still do not know about Hamilton. I hate chop blocks, every year we lose a quality player to a chop block.
 
Overall Laviano looked overall fairly ineffective (some of that the Hawkeye defense). I don't understand why in this game Ash didn't give more time to the other QBS who, hopefully, would use a different formation or tow and RUn when necessary. May have thrown off Iowa enough.

Really another "blame" (besides Timeout management, losing Grant and Lambert) was Laviano and not being able to come up with long sustained drives to keep the Defense off the field. The defense already looked half gassed near the end of the 1st half (yes size/speed). Luckily Iowa shot themselves in the food a few times such as b*tchslap going for the 1st on 4th and 5.
 
music/band - they have production meetings, with the band included, before home games. We were told 2 years ago that the problem is the band (see: Tim Smith) and that he agrees to a "script" and then doesn't stick to it during the game.

This is not true. The script is put together by the marketing department with no consultation with the band director. The game "entertainment" production is run by one guy in the marketing department who calls what videos, advertisements, dance team performances, and music (including band vs scoreboard) is played at all times during Pregame and in-game.
 
To make it worse while Hamilton was on the sidelines after he got injured, Ray Lucas mentioned he was taken out on a play that went out of bounds.

He was limping noticeably after that play. Was on sideline flexing his leg. Hope he's ok.

I don't know if anyone else noticed it but after one stop by the defense during a TV time out he went along the bench encouraging every player on the D. He then went out to the offensive huddle and did the same. A real leader.
 
Finally an entertaining game at High Points Solution that wasnt riddled with bad defense and have to put up 150 points to try and win. I think this the type of game that can keep the fanbase hanging on while the Ash rebuild or build actually proceeds. RU could have won the game and you could make a case that they should have won the game. The QB position with Laviano is a killer. There is no way to get around it. He doesnt do what he needs to do as general of the team. He just isnt a D1 QB, it is what it is. Its amazing RU was even in position to win this game with how totally limited the offense is because of the poor QB play. That is the hope, thats what going to keep us going through these expected blowout losses to Ohio State and realistically Michigan in the next two weeks.

Ash has been able to vastly improve the defense not only from last year but from game one vs Washington. Each week we have seen it getter better and better and today it shut down a bigger and more experienced Iowa offense. Ash and the players made major improvement on getting their heads on straight at the start of the game eliminating the first quarter hole. I didnt think talent was the issue today necessarily I think it came down to coaching. This game was Rutgers for the taking against a generally flat Iowa. This isnt a bash of Ash so no one should take it as one. I thought RU outplayed Iowa overall but inexperienced and youthful coaching mistakes ultimately decided the game given the limited output of the quarterback position. Be it that playcalling near the goalline, not going for the fg on 4th before halftime which he should have...you just HAVE to score something there, to come away with nothing on such an incredible play by Grant and one he got injured on isnt good Another was using all the timeouts before crunch time. These kinds of little things add up. This game will be a learning experience for the coaching staff. Ash will not lose a game like this in 3 years but today he is still learning and the team is still growing.....and thats okay. Credit them for preparing the players and devising a gameplan to keep them in the game when even the most optimistic RU fan really didnt think we had a shot at this game.

Sure its disappointing not to win but it actually gives a little more glimmer of hope that hey maybe RU can get to a bowl, although its still a longshot. There is no reason that RU cannot win any of the games other than Michigan and Ohio State. The takeaway from today is improvement...improvement from last season, improvement from Washington, improvement from New Mexicos. Yes the gauntlet is tough these next two weeks, have to make it through them without the injuries piling up and without getting their heads down. I have no clue whats going to go on with the QB situation but its a definite pickle because you either put out an anemic offense with Laviano or you throw one of the other guys to the wolves of OSU and Michigan

Note on attendence....Looks like 44K reported, may have been close to actual but more like 42K I think, thats still weak IMO, but it is what it is with the casual fanbase. Fans did a more horrendous job than usual in getting in, we arent even talking about pregame. I mean literally we had 24-25K fo kickoff, thats embarrassing. Students didnt do their protest. They were way late to the game but at least they ended up there in solid numbers and the so called Alleygate proved to be more bark than bite. Looks like around 5K Iowa fans there and they were generally harmless and alot clustered in the upper levels Hoping we can get 50K for Michigan, going to see huge drops for dynamic pricing and 8-10K Michigan fans in the building

Horse video continues to be MIA and thats unacceptable. Way too much piped in music, like literally every break and they continue to drown out the band or any organic cheers, even playing music and a commercial during a RU chant. I think the game day production is just doing way too much this year.
I didn't have a problem with Rutgers not going for the field goal before the end of the half. Up to that time Rutgers defense had stopped Iowa and forcing them to take over at the 1 yd line seemed like a good idea. Hold them on downs, hope for a short punt , and then take a second crack at scoring a TD. It would have been an enormous momentum builder going into the 2nd half . Unfortunately who would have predicted a 99yd drive by Iowa for a TD..I also mildly disagree with you regarding Laviano. I'm no fan of his --he is not fit for this offense , is a poor runner, has happy feet , and is just not a decent QB. That being said , he looked much more comfortable running the offense in the second half. He can get better. Let's face it . If Ash felt another QB could give the team a better shot at winning , they would be playing. Period. Lastly the attendance was a disappointment. I do think these 12:00pm games are tough to get used to. For someone like me who traveled to the game from out of town ( Boston) , it forced me to take a hotel room for two nights , not one like for the Michigan game in 2 weeks.
 
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To make it worse while Hamilton was on the sidelines after he got injured, Ray Lucas mentioned he was taken out on a play that went out of bounds.
I was sitting on the 34 yd line and never saw Hamilton get injured. I sat behind the Rutgers bench and didn't see Hamilton in any pain whatsoever and thought he played most of the second half other than the beginning of the second half. What happened?
BTW-Turay had his helmet on for the second half and appeared on the verge of going in. Any word from Ash about Turay and Hamilton's status?
 
I was sitting on the 34 yd line and never saw Hamilton get injured. I sat behind the Rutgers bench and didn't see Hamilton in any pain whatsoever and thought he played most of the second half other than the beginning of the second half. What happened?
BTW-Turay had his helmet on for the second half and appeared on the verge of going in. Any word from Ash about Turay and Hamilton's status?

Turay played one play in the 1st half and was one of the 12 guys on the field when Ash had to burn a TO in the 2nd half. Was pulled before the next play.
 
I was sitting on the 34 yd line and never saw Hamilton get injured. I sat behind the Rutgers bench and didn't see Hamilton in any pain whatsoever and thought he played most of the second half other than the beginning of the second half. What happened?
I could swear Hamilton was in one the final defensive series before Iowa got that last first down that sealed the game. If so, maybe he is just banged up some and is okay. Is what I'm hoping, anyway.
 
I didn't have a problem with Rutgers not going for the field goal before the end of the half. Up to that time Rutgers defense had stopped Iowa and forcing them to take over at the 1 yd line seemed like a good idea. Hold them on downs, hope for a short punt , and then take a second crack at scoring a TD. It would have been an enormous momentum builder going into the 2nd half.
I hear you about the momentum thing but Iowa was getting the ball to start the second half so I was looking for some points, any points right before we went into the locker room.
 
Horse video continues to be MIA and thats unacceptable. Way too much piped in music, like literally every break and they continue to drown out the band or any organic cheers, even playing music and a commercial during a RU chant. I think the game day production is just doing way too much this year.


spot on BAC. Couldn't agree more with your entire post. And this last part was my top priority feedback on the post game survey I was lucky enough to be sent. (and while I didn't use the term unacceptable about the horse video. I did comment that it is a big loss not having that this year)
 
Serious question, here . . .

I've noticed (for a long time, but certainly today), that we get absolutely NO blocking on punt returns. I saw three Iowa players racing straight down the middle of the field toward our return guy (whether Grant or the others). This happens regularly. I know their punter had good hang time, and it could simply be the other teams are much faster than our guys . . . but c'mon, man, don't we have some way to push those guys to the outside, or gum up the middle a bit better, or something? I can understand when we used to get a great push up front and would occasionally block a kick, but we can't seem to do that anymore -- isn't it worth it to drop some guys back simply to give our return guy a chance to catch it, or are we satisfied with fair catching it 90% of the time? Not bad-mouthing anyone, just something I've seen year after year. Football brains, educate me, please. Thanks.

When a team has a lack of quality depth it always rears its ugly head in the special teams units. We probably play more walk-ons and true freshmen on special teams than any other team in the B1G.
 
I noticed the same thing the last few weeks, particularly during the Iowa game. When punting to Rutgers, the opponents are allowed to run straight downfield without even being challenged by Rutgers players, leaving the punt returner with no opportunity to return it. When I got home later and watched the game on TV, it was even more glaringly apparent. Come on, if RU isn't going to try and block the punt, at least TRY to impede the opposing players. Do something to help the punt returner.

There was one play where Tyreek Maddox-Williams was so close to the Iowa punter that he could have almost taken the ball off his foot. It looked like he came through unblocked, hesitated as he neared the punter and totally whiffed on the punt block. Chalk it up to true freshman mistake. Would have been a huge momentum changer because it would have likely led to 6. Iowa was punting from deep on their half of the field...
 
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Finally an entertaining game at High Points Solution that wasnt riddled with bad defense and have to put up 150 points to try and win. I think this the type of game that can keep the fanbase hanging on while the Ash rebuild or build actually proceeds. RU could have won the game and you could make a case that they should have won the game. The QB position with Laviano is a killer. There is no way to get around it. He doesnt do what he needs to do as general of the team. He just isnt a D1 QB, it is what it is. Its amazing RU was even in position to win this game with how totally limited the offense is because of the poor QB play. That is the hope, thats what going to keep us going through these expected blowout losses to Ohio State and realistically Michigan in the next two weeks.

Ash has been able to vastly improve the defense not only from last year but from game one vs Washington. Each week we have seen it getter better and better and today it shut down a bigger and more experienced Iowa offense. Ash and the players made major improvement on getting their heads on straight at the start of the game eliminating the first quarter hole. I didnt think talent was the issue today necessarily I think it came down to coaching. This game was Rutgers for the taking against a generally flat Iowa. This isnt a bash of Ash so no one should take it as one. I thought RU outplayed Iowa overall but inexperienced and youthful coaching mistakes ultimately decided the game given the limited output of the quarterback position. Be it that playcalling near the goalline, not going for the fg on 4th before halftime which he should have...you just HAVE to score something there, to come away with nothing on such an incredible play by Grant and one he got injured on isnt good Another was using all the timeouts before crunch time. These kinds of little things add up. This game will be a learning experience for the coaching staff. Ash will not lose a game like this in 3 years but today he is still learning and the team is still growing.....and thats okay. Credit them for preparing the players and devising a gameplan to keep them in the game when even the most optimistic RU fan really didnt think we had a shot at this game.

Sure its disappointing not to win but it actually gives a little more glimmer of hope that hey maybe RU can get to a bowl, although its still a longshot. There is no reason that RU cannot win any of the games other than Michigan and Ohio State. The takeaway from today is improvement...improvement from last season, improvement from Washington, improvement from New Mexicos. Yes the gauntlet is tough these next two weeks, have to make it through them without the injuries piling up and without getting their heads down. I have no clue whats going to go on with the QB situation but its a definite pickle because you either put out an anemic offense with Laviano or you throw one of the other guys to the wolves of OSU and Michigan

Note on attendence....Looks like 44K reported, may have been close to actual but more like 42K I think, thats still weak IMO, but it is what it is with the casual fanbase. Fans did a more horrendous job than usual in getting in, we arent even talking about pregame. I mean literally we had 24-25K fo kickoff, thats embarrassing. Students didnt do their protest. They were way late to the game but at least they ended up there in solid numbers and the so called Alleygate proved to be more bark than bite. Looks like around 5K Iowa fans there and they were generally harmless and alot clustered in the upper levels Hoping we can get 50K for Michigan, going to see huge drops for dynamic pricing and 8-10K Michigan fans in the building

Horse video continues to be MIA and thats unacceptable. Way too much piped in music, like literally every break and they continue to drown out the band or any organic cheers, even playing music and a commercial during a RU chant. I think the game day production is just doing way too much this year.
There was absolutely no difference between Laviano and Beathard on Saturday. Both made some really nice throws and some off the mark. From that standpoint I think you are off base with your comments on the QB position. I hope to see more improvement and perhaps some better days ahead in this new system when we play teams he did well against last year (MSU, Indiana, etc).

Agree with most of your other thoughts. Most fans want the high scoring Offenses but we played a true BIG game last week including both teams going for it on 4th in the red zone to make a statement. Both failed but that is what BIG and SEC teams do. If we were in the NFL we would have played for FG's instead and perhaps the outcome would have been different driving down at the end in perhaps a game that was 17-13 instead of 14-7.
 
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There was absolutely no difference between Laviano and Beathard on Saturday. Both made some really nice throws and some off the mark. From that standpoint I think you are off base with your comments on the QB position. I hope to see more improvement and perhaps some better days ahead in this new system when we play teams he did well against last year (MSU, Indiana, etc).

Generally in this one particular game...yes. However don't confuse a QB listed as the #1 Senior by Mel Kiper Jr. who won the B1G West last year, and a likely NFL prospect with CL.

I'll take a bad game now and again vs. consistent under performance and costly mistakes.
 
Hamilton is out for the OSU game. Not the season AFAIK.
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From the APP.com:

"On a positive note, star defensive tackle Darius Hamilton said he is "fine" and will play against the second-ranked Buckeyes. Hamilton's left foot was in a walking boot while he spoke to reporters Monday. He was injured on an illegal low block by Iowa's Ike Boettger on Saturday."
 
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From the APP.com:

"On a positive note, star defensive tackle Darius Hamilton said he is "fine" and will play against the second-ranked Buckeyes. Hamilton's left foot was in a walking boot while he spoke to reporters Monday. He was injured on an illegal low block by Iowa's Ike Boettger on Saturday."

OH good! I am happy to be wrong! I just check twitter and saw that, Awesome news!
 
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music/band - they have production meetings, with the band included, before home games. We were told 2 years ago that the problem is the band (see: Tim Smith) and that he agrees to a "script" and then doesn't stick to it during the game.
The band director, Tim Smith, has a whole band of people to manage. If adherence to a script is needed, then the DJ/Annoucer guys should provide a liason/production assistant down with Smith who can advise him about the "script" as the game goes on.
 
The band director, Tim Smith, has a whole band of people to manage. If adherence to a script is needed, then the DJ/Annoucer guys should provide a liason/production assistant down with Smith who can advise him about the "script" as the game goes on.

I've been told in the past that the "script" is worked on and agreed to, by ALL parties, prior to game day. At least 2 parties who worked for RU in the past, who essentially ran the production, have flat-out told me personally as well as us here, that Smith simply does whatever he wants on game day and then, at the following meeting, simply apologizes and agrees to follow script again. No need for a "liason" either, IMHO, as Smith barely does a thing on game day. His band leaders do most of the work (from what we've been told in the past....).

Oh well. 4 more games. :cool2:
 
I've been told in the past that the "script" is worked on and agreed to, by ALL parties, prior to game day. At least 2 parties who worked for RU in the past, who essentially ran the production, have flat-out told me personally as well as us here, that Smith simply does whatever he wants on game day and then, at the following meeting, simply apologizes and agrees to follow script again. No need for a "liason" either, IMHO, as Smith barely does a thing on game day. His band leaders do most of the work (from what we've been told in the past....).

Oh well. 4 more games. :cool2:

sounds like he should be in politics...fits the mold anyway..
 
sounds like he should be in politics...fits the mold anyway..

LOlL and apparently e's a great politician. Rumor was that he had Schiano on his side for a decade. Apparently Greg didn't want a large band to take the attention "off the team on the field." Not my words but was told that by another prominent poster here on these boards after Greg left town.
 
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