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now the boardwalk is a great idea but if you are bringing your family wife and kids have you seen the prices at the food trucks. Then inside you are paying $10 for pretzels, $5 for water or whatever it is, how much were the hot chocolates and coffees? This isnt a Rutgers specific thing. Its really something probably in the past decade exploded. Prices went from managable at games and concerts to VERY EXPENSIVE across the boards. Its really infuriating when you go to PNC for a concert and are already paying 150 for a ticket and then paying $22 for a drink.

What I think is the live events now which used to be affordable for families and regular folk are now being priced so high to affluence and those who dont fit into that catagory are happy with just splurging on a game or two a year...makes more sense actually. In Rutgers case there just isnt enough fanbase that cares to pull from given people are cutting back on attending live events

With everything on tv or streaming on your phone I think in general live events are losing their place. The idea of sitting through 7 4 hour football games a year but only 2 of them against decent opponents isnt worth the time and money and the demographic in NJ just isnt interested in blind support.
Strongly contemplating bagging season tickets and just watching some from home and going to select games buying off Seat Geek.
 
They are manufacturing noise because so many clueless lazy ass fans wont even stand on 3rd down . It’s embarrassing! What do you expect them to do ? Just let them sit on their fat asses and make it sound like a morgue in the stadium?
I used to be one that stood up every third down to make some noise (as did most in my section). With all the music being blasted, what's the point of doing that anymore anymore? By the time they stop playing the music, it's too late to build up the crowd noise.
 
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yeah but I dont know why people were surprised. I mean we had summer all the way through the first week of November but it was freezing cold on thursday and friday, you think people would know how to dress by now..amateurs...I think Numbers underplayed the cold and wind in the weather thread so blame him
You just can't help being an an asshat sometimes can you? Unless you were kidding, without any indication of that. Nobody should've been surprised. Thread was spot on for everything: temps (high was 52F after morning lows in the upper 30s), no precip and windy. I even commented about how it was tough keeping my friends from bailing due to the chilly/windy conditions expected.
 
I have 4 season tickets. Across 28 possible ticket scans (7 home games), we scanned just 10 this year. My kids have little/no interest in the games (we were terrible when they started paying attention in 2017-2020), but they have some interest in the boardwalk games/rides. We don't buy food at the boardwalk, but will buy food in the stadium when they attend.

I had planned on dropping to 2 season tickets for next year, but my wife is thinking we may try to keep 4 for one more seasons - the kids apparently have a couple of new friends who attend games.

With all the things going on with the kids on weekends, though, it's tough to carve out time for games.... especially so when they go 4.5 hours between whistles, which is just ridiculous.
 
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I have 4 season tickets. Across 28 possible ticket scans (7 home games), we scanned just 10 this year. My kids have little/no interest in the games (we were terrible when they started paying attention in 2017-2020), but they have some interest in the boardwalk games/rides. We don't buy food at the boardwalk, but will buy food in the stadium when they attend.

I had planned on dropping to 2 season tickets for next year, but my wife is thinking we may try to keep 4 for one more seasons - the kids apparently have a couple of new friends who attend games.

With all the things going on with the kids on weekends, though, it's tough to carve out time for games.... especially so when they go 4.5 hours between whistles, which is just ridiculous.
I used to have four tickets in 105 and was scanning about half of them. Though I think my kids are at a different stage of life than you, I dropped to two at Rutgers and bought two at the school they attend. I went to four RU games and three at the other school. It’s been fun splitting between two Universities and this way Rutgers can only put me in a bad mood half the time.
 
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You just can't help being an an asshat sometimes can you? Unless you were kidding, without any indication of that. Nobody should've been surprised. Thread was spot on for everything: temps (high was 52F after morning lows in the upper 30s), no precip and windy. I even commented about how it was tough keeping my friends from bailing due to the chilly/windy conditions expected.
imo you did underplay just how cold it was going to be. I told people to bundle up the wind would be really bad.

Remember often times you post in that thread with your own bias on comfort level not realizing you are not the norm.
 
I have season tickets for both Rutgers and FSU - clubs for both
I'll keep my club tix for Rutgers b/c even though I only attend about 1/2 the games, it's worth it IMO

Re. FSU, they're redoing the club and I've had the chance to sit in a suite for a few games - once you go there, going back to the club is not that enticing. I'll likely drop my club seat if I can get a firm commitment on suite availability moving forward

BBall is the big thing, as is wrestling
Once we renovate the RAC, I'm assuming my seat will skyrocket (5th row bball, 4th row wrestling, 1/2 way in between mid-court and the foul line) - if they go to high, I'll let them go, and either buy somewhere else in the 100's (low row, but closer to the endlines) or go the secondary / message board route

Lacrosse is what I'm anxious for - can't wait until we build the new stadium
Will definitely retain season tickets for that
*** Now if they moved the season up a month from mid/late March - May (and thus, canned the February games), we'd really be cooking with oil !!
 
Strongly contemplating bagging season tickets and just watching some from home and going to select games buying off Seat Geek.
its the way to go if like me you are over the whole tailgating aspect which was a big part of my experience when RU sucked in the 90s and into the 2000s when alot of us never made it into the game. Then in the later 2000s team got good and the iconic lo bro pic taken and everyone went in but after the initial Big 10 year and Flood firing, my tailgating experiences were awful and I think one season skipped tailgaiting all together, then came covid and then slowly got back into it but some blowouts last year spoiled some things and then all the noon games took wind out of sails for last 2 games

age is a bitch too, what you love to do at 30 isnt the same at 55 and I dont really drink all that much anymore and better off for it

more interested in keeping hoops but even now starting to question given expected rising costs and NIL which to me is ruining college sports
 
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Fair point about the sudden cold snap. People have short attention spans and did not prepare. I was cold during the Minnesota game, and I was sure to bring layers, a wool hat and gloves to the Illinois game. @RU848789 was probably in cargo shorts and a tank top and not cold at all.
It was chilly, but nothing a couple of layers couldn't handle. Too cold for shorts and a t-shirt, lol. Had on jeans and a t-shirt, sweatshirt and windbreaker over that. Wasn't cold enough for gloves, but I did wear a hat and even socks. Anyone who spent 30 seconds looking at their weather apps knew it would be in the 40s for the tailgates and 50-ish for the game with windy conditions, which would make it feel colder, although wind chills were still only in the low 40s. It wasn't the tundra, lol.
 
This was a great season. Weather was great and tailgates were awesome. Plus, the games have been entertaining (except for Wisc). Just wish the results were better.
 
I have been a season ticket holder off and on since '91 -- didn't get them when kids activities dominated my weekends, then some years hand selected some games to go to. Season tickets are a bargain tbh but I was never buying individual games from a reseller. Some years I paid as much for 2 games as I did for the season ticket package.

My youngest son loves to tailgate and really enjoys going. I'll buy season tickets for years to come. In the end, that's what makes it special.
 
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Besides the last play I though the game itself was great.

The constant injury timeouts were excrutiating.
This is the first time I have complained about this because I really didn't think the music has been as bad as it people make it out, but Sat the music was too loud.
Also, agree the leaning into the Sopranos is stupid and the NY v Chicago was ridiculous especially considering the timing.
Ironically the Knights in the NFL is almost silent so no one pays attention.
 
imo you did underplay just how cold it was going to be. I told people to bundle up the wind would be really bad.

Remember often times you post in that thread with your own bias on comfort level not realizing you are not the norm.
Forum of grown-ass adults that should know how to dress for their own comfort level, no?
 
There were a lot of underdressed fans this week. In fact the guy sitting next to me was wearing shorts and knee socks (with holes in the sides of the socks - not by design). I was too afraid to ask why he decided to wear that. Plus the high may have been 52, but it was cold the whole game. My other buddy was in 120 and only dressed in a few layers. He thought he was going to be good in the sun. He was ready to leave at the half.

I recall the EL game at MetLife had a high around 55, but also recall that being a very cold/windy day. As a skier I like the very cold (under 25) but it's those mid-temp/higher humidity days that are the worst.
 
I made a post on the RT 2 weeks ago about adding seat backs to a lot of the seats and shrinking capacity 5-10% because of it. I think we need to quickly pivot toward fan comfort, not asses in seats. I think in the last 15 years there was 1 maybe 2 games where you couldn't actually get a ticket. I would be happy with 48k capacity with seat backs in the lower bowl minus student section and maybe the uppers.
 
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LOL….you think all those people read this board and the weather thread for weather?
I can't imagine that a high percentage of the attendees get the weather forecast from this forum. Unless that thread had different info than all the other sources out there, how much impact could that be, one way or the other?
 
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Season tickets are going to start plummeting after this season and I do not see a path to recover.
Complete nonsense. Yes, the record isn’t what we want it to be, but the product is the best it’s been since 2014. Every single game was competitive, and exciting, with the exceptions of Wisconsin and USC. We beat MSU and it’s a small step forward.

The offense took a significant step forward and should be even better next year.
 
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I can't imagine that a high percentage of the attendees get the weather forecast from this forum. Unless that thread had different info than all the other sources out there, how much impact could that be, one way or the other?
Everyone uses the weather app on their iPhone which is garbage. They see high in the 50s and that’s what they dress for.
 
Complete nonsense. Yes, the record isn’t what we want it to be, but the product is the best it’s been since 2014. Every single game was competitive, and exciting, with the exceptions of Wisconsin and USC. We beat MSU and it’s a small step forward.

The offense took a significant step forward and should be even better next year.

I dont see it increasing
 
I’m always up for a wager. Ticket sales are reported. What do you say?
... with four Big 10 home games next year of PSU and Oregon those are two marquee match ups and Iowa travels well..plus Maryland... i dont think season tickets will drop much ....
 
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imo you did underplay just how cold it was going to be. I told people to bundle up the wind would be really bad.

Remember often times you post in that thread with your own bias on comfort level not realizing you are not the norm.
And now you're doubling down on being an asshat. You might just be the most miserable person on this board, with your complaining about everything related to the gameday experience and unfairly blaming me for people being cold at the game, with the former being just plain annoying and the latter being a personal affront, which is the focus of this post. Let's look at my last few posts from the weather thread below.

Those posts were accurate from Tuesday onward with regard to the expected weather being dry, which was the most important variable for 95% of our fans, with seasonable temps (53F is the normal high and the high Saturday was 52F), and breezy to windy conditions with gusts to 25+ mph (gusts were 25-30 mph) and partly sunny skies. Anyone reading my posts in that thread should've been prepared for temps around 50F during the game with breezy to windy conditions which would make it feel colder (wind chills were forecast to be in the low 40s as per the graphic I had provided), which is exactly what we got.

And I even agreed with you when you posted for people to bundle up, saying, in reply, "yep" and talking about how windy it might get especially in the upper deck, plus I even mentioned on Friday how I was trying to "keep a couple of folks from our crew from bailing on this one because it's going to be chilly/windy." People don't say that when it's going to be mild or balmy. I also wasn't making posts about what I was wearing other than to say not shorts and a tee-shirt. You even said, "it was nowhere near leaving a close game early cold," which I agree with, but if the dwindling crowd late had anything to do with being unprepared for the weather, none of that falls on me or the game thread (especially since I doubt more than a couple of hundred people actually even read those threads).

So, please, stop with the made up BS about me "underplaying the cold" and my "bias on comfort level." Feel free to go back to whining about horses, parking, chicken fingers, the Boardwalk, the music, people in their 20s and a bunch of other things I'm sure I missed.

Well, the good news is that the NWS-NYC is now much better aligned with the NWS-Philly with both offices showing very little chance of any rain on Saturday (since today's 12Z models show no rain for almost all of the Philly-NJ-NYC area on Sat) and even the precip well NW of our area on Saturday will be just a few light rain/snow showers, so it's not like we're close to some heavy (or even moderate) precip source should the forecast change a bit.

AccuWeather, WeatherUnderground and Lee Goldberg all agree that Saturday should be dry, so let's lock it up for a partly cloudy, dry, but breezy (10-15 mph with some gusts to 20-25 mph possible) day with temps in the upper 30s at sunrise and around 50F for the game. Even if we see a surprise sprinkle or two, it wouldn't be enough to be measurable (<0.01").

Winds look like a major issue. Bundle up

Yep, I'm kind of hoping the wind forecast is overdone, as can be the case as systems like this pull away, but right now that forecast has our max winds over us right during prime tailgating/game time, from 9 am to 3 pm with gusts over 20 mph and that number could easily be a bit higher in the upper deck where we are (winds increase as one goes up in height). At least the chance of showers is now down to 10% or below, as breezy/windy + temps around 50F + rain would be miserable.

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No change in the forecast for the tailgates/game. Chilly start (upper 30s), cool game (~50F), breezy to windy (10-15 mph sustained winds with gusts to ~25 mph), but at least partly sunny and most importantly, dry.

I did say, "I'd bet on it being completely dry for the tailgates and game" 33 minutes before your post. Just sayin'. 😉

In all seriousness, it's been tough to keep a couple of folks from our crew from bailing on this one because it's going to be chilly/windy. I get it, because they're more casual fans than most on this board, but it can get annoying. I'm sure a few will be sitting in 1 or 2 of our cars during the tailgate, lol.

Half the place left because they thought it was too cold

Yes it was cold but it was nowhere near leaving a close game early cold

Many peeps seemed unprepared for todays weather
 
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I dont see it increasing
Come on Bac. The product is much better than it was last year, and for this season we increased season tickets by 10%.

Our season ticket base is 21,140 according to nj.com. Hoping for another bowl win and for another 10% increase, which would bring us to over 23K.
 
Complete nonsense. Yes, the record isn’t what we want it to be, but the product is the best it’s been since 2014. Every single game was competitive, and exciting, with the exceptions of Wisconsin and USC. We beat MSU and it’s a small step forward.

The offense took a significant step forward and should be even better next year.
Absolutely agree with this. And my guess is we wouldn't be having any of these discussions/threads if Greg had just not made that bonehead TO call. People have some strange need to take out their frustrations on a bunch of largely inconsequential things publicly and frequently. Winning cures most ills and we're better at it than we've been since Flood was doing well with Greg's best classes (which Greg did well with also).
 
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And now you're doubling down on being an asshat. You might just be the most miserable person on this board, with your complaining about everything related to the gameday experience and unfairly blaming me for people being cold at the game, with the former being just plain annoying and the latter being a personal affront, which is the focus of this post. Let's look at my last few posts from the weather thread below.

Those posts were accurate from Tuesday onward with regard to the expected weather being dry, which was the most important variable for 95% of our fans, with seasonable temps (53F is the normal high and the high Saturday was 52F), and breezy to windy conditions with gusts to 25+ mph (gusts were 25-30 mph) and partly sunny skies. Anyone reading my posts in that thread should've been prepared for temps around 50F during the game with breezy to windy conditions which would make it feel colder (wind chills were forecast to be in the low 40s as per the graphic I had provided), which is exactly what we got.

And I even agreed with you when you posted for people to bundle up, saying, in reply, "yep" and talking about how windy it might get especially in the upper deck, plus I even mentioned on Friday how I was trying to "keep a couple of folks from our crew from bailing on this one because it's going to be chilly/windy." People don't say that when it's going to be mild or balmy. I also wasn't making posts about what I was wearing other than to say not shorts and a tee-shirt. You even said, "it was nowhere near leaving a close game early cold," which I agree with, but if the dwindling crowd late had anything to do with being unprepared for the weather, none of that falls on me or the game thread (especially since I doubt more than a couple of hundred people actually even read those threads).

So, please, stop with the made up BS about me "underplaying the cold" and my "bias on comfort level." Feel free to go back to whining about horses, parking, chicken fingers, the Boardwalk, the music, people in their 20s and a bunch of other things I'm sure I missed.
I am not miserable. I am full of joy and thanks as we head toward the new year! Happy Thanksgiving!
 
Come on Bac. The product is much better than it was last year, and for this season we increased season tickets by 10%.

Our season ticket base is 21,140 according to nj.com. Hoping for another bowl win and for another 10% increase, which would bring us to over 23K.
Don’t believe what the ticket office tells you. Attendance is overstated by 8k to 10 k each game.
 
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Everyone uses the weather app on their iPhone which is garbage. They see high in the 50s and that’s what they dress for.
Everyone doesn't have Iphones. I have the NWS website saved on my browser for weather.
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Come on Bac. The product is much better than it was last year, and for this season we increased season tickets by 10%.

Our season ticket base is 21,140 according to nj.com. Hoping for another bowl win and for another 10% increase, which would bring us to over 23K.
Product schmoduct. People want to see the team win. Penn State, Oregon, Iowa on the schedule. . . . . .
 
I mean I do not know what the people of NJ and the Rutgers community wants. I get that Illinois is not a sexy name and a late season game vs a mediocre Michigan or USC would bring in 50K today. Overall attendance was okay..maybe approaching 40K-423Ktops, hard to tell... I sort of expected that. However my ire is what happened as the game wore on. Students showed up in huge numbers which is impressive but they started to filter out in the 3rd and inexplicably in a close game in the 4th, I would say we lost about 75% of the student sections. Not much better elsewhere. I think maybe 20-25K left in the stadium in such a dramatic down to the wire game. How is that possible? Look I get it was cold and windy but this was far from any of the coldest games..highs still were in the upper 40s yet peeps clueless dressed like it was comfortable fall day. Or maybe they just loved to get trashed and drink cold drinks all day and bombed which is definitely noticable. I get leaving early down 35-0, actually ahead...its a what the **** moment.

Just a shame to see tons of empties late in the game and lack of crowd noise on the previous Illinois drive where they took the lead. I think the constant use of the scoreboard music has neutered the ability of building any crowd noise. Great early in the game, not so much later.

Or is the reality we have a hardcore base of 20-25k and that is basically it. I tend think this is where I land. Not enough people care about RU football. We will always have this hardcore diehard base but beyond that, we will get a shit ton of fans for early season night games with big atmospheres but the following takes a hit game after game. I get the team went through a funk but my issue is if you are there already wouldnt you be interested in the outcome. Its apparent the students could care less about wins or losses besides that hardcore group you saw.

Its tough to grow a program when you simply lack the hardcore fanbase numbers the rest of the conference has. RU has been in the Big 10 a decade, mostly losing season but its apparent people may only care if the team is going 10-2 which seems very unrealistic so here we are. Getting 40-42K a game but yet half of them leaving before the game is over whether the team is losing or winning
This trend of leaving early was there for minny , and even to a slightly lesser extent with ucla

The reality is , the football game is NOT the event on game day for a decent chunk of our fan base …the tailgating matters a lot more to a third of our non student base and for the students …iits aboht being a part first and the game to the fringe students , is as much about making an appearance

It’s a Process …this year , the number of fans in the seats this year was the highest in a long long time . Big check mark…especially with so many nooners

But It’s going take time to get them to arrive earlier and stay the duration .

We we slowly getting there …and becoming more B1G….will take more time ….and more time that I would like
 
Those are 3 probable B1G losses out of 4 games. Why would Rutgers season ticket holders sign up for that?

IMO fans would be much more inclined to buy tickets and see a potential upset/scrap for games like that. The team, despite its flaws, has been playing at a higher level than the last few years. I'd rather see them play those upper class Big 10 teams than the lower level ones, even if that impacts the odds of winning.

Pending any surprises financially (wedding and buying a home this upcoming year) I will be back at SHI with the same enthusiasm.
 
IMO fans would be much more inclined to buy tickets and see a potential upset/scrap for games like that. The team, despite its flaws, has been playing at a higher level than the last few years. I'd rather see them play those upper class Big 10 teams than the lower level ones, even if that impacts the odds of winning.

Pending any surprises financially (wedding and buying a home this upcoming year) I will be back at SHI with the same enthusiasm.

They will leave at halftime of those games
 
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