Today's Presser - Comments on QB By Mehringer
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I agree he needs to work on mechanics and consistently stepping into his throws. I do not, however, think he is afraid of contact or that fear of contact is stopping him from stepping into the throws. He took some big hits in the last game after throws.
Because it would be unexpected.
Or knowing coaching they forget he's right handed and don't line people up on the side of the field he should be throwing to.
Mehringer talked about this in post game. He said that Iowa was playing their safeties deep, and that throwing deep for the first down was too risky in that situation. A shorter pass had a chance of a broken tackle and run for a 1st down, but would at least allow us to put them a little deeper down field on a punt.
ROFL. I'm sure he'll lose lots of sleep now that he knows that you won't take him seriously.
I'll give him credit that one hit he took "throwing" a block was completely out of the blue. When I watched that play unfold I honestly expected him to turtle but he got LIT UP and allowed a big play to happen.
Maybe he isn't afraid to get hit, but he's not smart about it.
There were multiple times against Iowa he would initiate contact with his throwing shoulder first.
I'm 100% certain all the QBs on our bench are definitely future hall of fame material. 100%. lol
I think 90% of us agree with that sentiment.
It has been said here before but worth repeating.:"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again,and expecting to get different results".Try someone different Coach,and then you will KNOW if your thinking has been somewhat irrational,or it will confirm that you have been right all along.
The issue I have with Chris Laviano and the coaching staff is this;
He isn't going to magically get faster and more agile to run this Power/Spread Option offense whatever you want to call it.
You're banking on him progressively getting better. If this is the best he is and can be you're setting the entire team back for at least 2 years. Since odds are you'll be handing him the keys again next year, and then you'll be breaking in a new QB.
You gave CL 4 games, and he hasn't showed much that makes you think he can be special.
He can't run the option offense.
He can't complete low % passes at a high rate.
I think nearly everyone here would rather have Oden/Gio/Rettig/Allen take their lumps in this offense, lose the majority of the games but show promise and development VERSUS letting CL start the entire year with what seems to be immunity and the team make absolutely no strides forward.
He isn't going to magically get faster and more agile to run this Power/Spread Option offense whatever you want to call it.
You're banking on him progressively getting better. If this is the best he is and can be you're setting the entire team back for at least 2 years. Since odds are you'll be handing him the keys again next year, and then you'll be breaking in a new QB.
You gave CL 4 games, and he hasn't showed much that makes you think he can be special.
He can't run the option offense.
He can't complete low % passes at a high rate.
I think nearly everyone here would rather have Oden/Gio/Rettig/Allen take their lumps in this offense, lose the majority of the games but show promise and development VERSUS letting CL start the entire year with what seems to be immunity and the team make absolutely no strides forward.
Problem is everyone here is not on the coaching staff, who has many years of experience and many hours of watching each of the QBs, giving them time to make a proper evaluation of ALL faces of the QBs game. So rather than just endlessly bitch about it, and totally demolish the kid online behind the anonymity of a keyboard, I accept it, and move on. Realize we all have different temperaments and levels of patience, but the endless bitching is just tiresome.
Tylin hasn't thrown a pass in the 13 plays he's been involved in, all have been runs.
I think Zach Allen is the only other QB besides Laviano that has attempted to
pass during a game
Here's the issue. You don't know what you have until you give them a shot.
Letting Oden go out there and just run, without being able to throw a pass, ANY PASS, is very telling. Are the coaches pretty much admitting that he couldn't hit a HB in the flat 3 yards away from him without the ball going into the stands or straight down to the turf because he's that inaccurate?
Yes I realize we're not on the coaching staff, we're not there in practice, etc. However, when your average Joe Schmo can see the same issues pop up in every game, and they aren't getting corrected it's a big issue.
I don't know if the one pass they let Allen attempt which was very poorly thrown pretty much took any other QB throwing off the table, but it's kind of disappointing.
The plays were there against Iowa, the players just didn't execute.
And it's been said here before but worth repeating: coaches don't put players on the field solely on the basis of a fan's wishful thinking. If another QB demonstrates they give us better chance, they will play.
I'm more convinced than ever that CL plays because he presumably protects the ball better than the other guys. The coaches know that CL is limited so the game plan is fairly conservative and they are going to hope to win some of these low scoring defensive games. In fairness, it almost worked on Saturday.
TO will play a little more every week until finally the coaches pull the training wheels and start him. But, until he's ready or CL starts turning the ball over, CL is still going to play.
I'm not going to get hung up on CL anymore. He's trying to do his best. These are the results
TO will play a little more every week until finally the coaches pull the training wheels and start him. But, until he's ready or CL starts turning the ball over, CL is still going to play.
I'm not going to get hung up on CL anymore. He's trying to do his best. These are the results
Allen threw 2 passes. One was almost an INT, and the second was poorly thrown and out of the end zone. That is not enough of a sample size to judge him. One thing we agree on is that I too would like to see other QBs throwing the ball in a real game. I don't think the coaches are admitting anything. Keep in mind that Coach Ash is conservative by nature, and perhaps that is why they are not giving the other QBs much slack or opportunity. It can be frustrating, but just like waiting for the shoe to drop last year, I will be patient.
I have a feeling we'll be seeing a backup QB (or two) throw the ball this Saturday in Columbus. The second half will likely be workshopping some things and seeing what different players bring to the table against live competition.
He's 28, an OC in the B1G, and the hottest coach in college football thinks he's a stud. You'd be cocky too. If I was him I'd roll into the pressers with hookers and @mildone left over blow.
According to what is being presented as the realities of RU practice & drills - if it is taken at face value - this is the baffling impression that we get -
Right now it seems that this situation is like a dramatic production where the lead actor is kinda wooden, kinda lacks strong projection ... but does know the script & can kind of muddle through when others muff their lines - - not terribly entertaining - often tough to watch - but makes it through to the final curtain ....
.... Now in an effort to find some improvement, inject some life into the show - week after week the director has the 3-4 "talented understudy"s run through various acts in rehearsal - if one of them can commandingly assume the role without bungling something in rehearsal - they could get the job ........ and then for some reason - none of them can get through their rehearsals without blowing lines right & left ... and impacting the rest of the cast .... while the old wooden leading man manages to hit his marks, speak his lines and otherwise functionally makes it through his rehearsal.
If this is how it is - it has to be maddening - the desire is clearly there to make a change - but Ash & Mehringer know you can't make some bizarre leap of faith that the game-day adrenalin will produce a new level of focus and eliminate all the shortcomings / miscues that are reportedly being displayed in practice.
Right now it seems that this situation is like a dramatic production where the lead actor is kinda wooden, kinda lacks strong projection ... but does know the script & can kind of muddle through when others muff their lines - - not terribly entertaining - often tough to watch - but makes it through to the final curtain ....
.... Now in an effort to find some improvement, inject some life into the show - week after week the director has the 3-4 "talented understudy"s run through various acts in rehearsal - if one of them can commandingly assume the role without bungling something in rehearsal - they could get the job ........ and then for some reason - none of them can get through their rehearsals without blowing lines right & left ... and impacting the rest of the cast .... while the old wooden leading man manages to hit his marks, speak his lines and otherwise functionally makes it through his rehearsal.
If this is how it is - it has to be maddening - the desire is clearly there to make a change - but Ash & Mehringer know you can't make some bizarre leap of faith that the game-day adrenalin will produce a new level of focus and eliminate all the shortcomings / miscues that are reportedly being displayed in practice.
There is a really simple answer to our problems here.. kind of shocked nobody has thought to do it yet..
New uniforms
New uniforms
There is a really simple answer to our problems here.. kind of shocked nobody has thought to do it yet..
New uniforms
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
His mechanics are terrible. Those are correctable and addressable via coaching. Will those things turn him into Cam Newton? No. Will / could they turn him into a serviceable QB, well probably not but I can buy that being the thought process from the coaches (w the other points around sacrificial, not long term answer, etc.)
They've made it known that they work on these things. Pretty sure Ash said something like "we've drilled it into him in practice," about NOT taking sacks and throwing the ball away instead in the red zone, in the post-game pressed. He did it anyway.
Especially when we've already seen them in practices/scrimmages and they've done nothing.
ok..hopefully he works out..but thats feedback from 'others' from a daily interaction..thats all Ill say. Maybe he has some growing up himself to do..?
I like the analogy. And you've nailed it w/respect to the what the coaching staff can (and cannot) do about the QB situation.
They are clearly trying to work there way to a different QB. It's most likely Oden, whether that is late this year, or next year, is the question. Or maybe Lewis breaks down the door next year(any chance he enrolls early?) Or maybe they try their hand again at a grad transfer. But I see little chance of Laviano as QB next year. Thus this is not setting us back 2 years. It is merely dealing with a lack of talent at the position.
The Laviano effect (LE) is a remarkable (and frustrating) thing to behold. Much like the prior staff, the more questions about quarterback play and possible replacement are posed, the more the staff digs in and doubles down. For whatever reason, the more criticism ( bona fide or not), the more favored status Laviano enjoys. LE.
Let's get to the premise that Laviana what is the best that is on the squad. Considering that we have seen play that is overall below par for starting power five quarterback, and at times has been extremely subpar an execution and decision-making, The stats only basis for this assertion is practice play. The actual game play could have been performed by any qb on the squad. Any of them.
So in essence we are being told that by the practice play allotted to the other quarterbacks, none are getting better than Laviano. Practice time is not enough to develop anoher qb- wouldnt that mean another opportunity situation is needed?
We actually have a quarterback that let a touchdown Drive against Ohio State team Not wanting to give up a score. Let's be real about the quarterback situation. We are not likely going to have a winning season with Laviano as the quarterback. The choice would be to develop for the future or try different situations that could produce results now
Since we have not used the quarterback in a significant manner running the option (and when we did it was less than successful ), Theres no reason a throwing quarterback couldn't be used alternately. It would be mighty enjoyable to see Odin and Retting be a two headed qb running and throwing and keeping the d on their heels. Bet it would be better than what we have seen but not holding my breath that the LE breaks its hold soon. Was old last year. This year the hope was there and the weeks are ticking by, as well as a game any other qb likley wins.
Let's get to the premise that Laviana what is the best that is on the squad. Considering that we have seen play that is overall below par for starting power five quarterback, and at times has been extremely subpar an execution and decision-making, The stats only basis for this assertion is practice play. The actual game play could have been performed by any qb on the squad. Any of them.
So in essence we are being told that by the practice play allotted to the other quarterbacks, none are getting better than Laviano. Practice time is not enough to develop anoher qb- wouldnt that mean another opportunity situation is needed?
We actually have a quarterback that let a touchdown Drive against Ohio State team Not wanting to give up a score. Let's be real about the quarterback situation. We are not likely going to have a winning season with Laviano as the quarterback. The choice would be to develop for the future or try different situations that could produce results now
Since we have not used the quarterback in a significant manner running the option (and when we did it was less than successful ), Theres no reason a throwing quarterback couldn't be used alternately. It would be mighty enjoyable to see Odin and Retting be a two headed qb running and throwing and keeping the d on their heels. Bet it would be better than what we have seen but not holding my breath that the LE breaks its hold soon. Was old last year. This year the hope was there and the weeks are ticking by, as well as a game any other qb likley wins.
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Are we still talking Rettig? Dude is 5th on the depth chart.
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