Today's Presser - Comments on QB By Mehringer
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THIS. This staff preaches player development and doing the right thing by the player. There is something that makes Tylin Oden not ready to start yet, and the staff is DEVELOPING him. Be patient. I get the feeling that Ash and staff really want to win, but they don't want to put a true fresh out there until they think he is ready.
Well, you know the performance your going to get from your lead actor after a year and 4 games. Even though the understudy may blow a line or two, he may be a great at improvising and give a better performance than the mediocre one everyone is use to. You will never know until you give the understudy a chance, by now you know what your getting from the lead with enough body of evidence.
I'm not opposed to making a change at starter. But calling for the 5th team QB? Have to be a little realistic.
Oden didn't enroll early, I'm sure he's still learning the playbook, receiver routes, etc. He's 186 lbs, if he starts right now and Mehringer is running the offense he wants to run, he'll get injured in the first game probably. Kid needs to bulk up and get comfortable with the offense. It'll happen, gotta give the 18 year old more than what? 2-3 months? since joining the team.
If it was a question of the understudy only blowing a line or two, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Particularly when the understudy has tremendous motivation to get it right in rehearsals.
Point is you already know what kind of performance your going to get from the lead, who knows how the understudy is going to perform, the lead gives incredible performances during rehearsals but mediocre during live performances. Maybe the the understudy might give a standing ovation performance, you will never know unless give the understudy a chance.
Let's be frank. All this grousing is because those fans grousing don't see the other QBs regularly and just have to see them to believe that they aren't ready or good enough. So they say things like, what do you have to lose or maybe the coaches will be surprised, and so on and so on. All the explanations as to why their complaints are somehow meaningfully different from the usual complaints fans make when the team has a weak starting QB are not unique. It's no different from all the similar situations that happen across the country every year for teams with bad QBs. It comes down to frustration and a need to see every aspect of the problems for themselves.
The truth is that RU has an incredibly weak stable of QBs and none of the back-ups have been able to take the job from Laviano. So be it. The only thing that will fix this problem is time, not putting in somebody who is worse or not even close to ready. The rest of this is, despite protests otherwise, your typical fan-calling-for-the-backup-QB complaints and nothing else.
The truth is that RU has an incredibly weak stable of QBs and none of the back-ups have been able to take the job from Laviano. So be it. The only thing that will fix this problem is time, not putting in somebody who is worse or not even close to ready. The rest of this is, despite protests otherwise, your typical fan-calling-for-the-backup-QB complaints and nothing else.
I know, he hadn't played QB in forever,, so there was both nerves and rust going on, and I know it was only 3 plays but I think I saw enough of Allen in that New Mexico game.
I would like to see Gio get a go of it, but do I think he is some unearthed treasure over there? No, not really.
The answer to the QB question is Oden. Coach is slowly working him in, but it's clear he is not near ready for full playbook duties.
I would like to see Gio get a go of it, but do I think he is some unearthed treasure over there? No, not really.
The answer to the QB question is Oden. Coach is slowly working him in, but it's clear he is not near ready for full playbook duties.
No. The point is that the director, whose multi-million-dollar job depends on good performances, already knows what kind of performance he's going to get from ALL the actors because the director sees everything about those actors every day, unlike the audience that only sees the final production.
The director is not an idiot and he knows that some actors sometimes perform better on stage in front of people than in rehearsal. So if any such actor were ready to go, that actor would have been given a chance already. Again, because the director's job and future depend on it.
I don't know how many different ways people have to say this same thing. If and when the coaching staff is satisfied that a QB other than Laviano has a better chance of helping us out, then that QB will play. Given that the staff has not minced words about Laviano and given that they've demonstrated no hesitation in putting in a backup when a starter is under-performing, then it's pretty clear that if we had a QB that was ready to play and was even CLOSE to as likely to succeed as Laviano, that QB would have been playing more already.
If we're lucky, there's a QB that is growing closer and closer to ready and any week now, will get a start (or at least a lot of playing time). But while anything can happen, logic tells us that any replacement QB is unlikely to be instantaneously amazing. Because if they were so amazing, they'd already have been playing.
Then hopefully Oden is ready by Penn State because I won't be able to stand losing that game at home because of Chris Laviano.
He doesn't care anymore. From what I hear he's tired of busting his ass only to get buried. He realizes its basically LSU all over again for him. He knows he doesn't have a shot in this offense so hes just chilling out.. He didnt even have the playbook studied when he showed up to camp (allegedly). Right now hes just accepted his role as a career bench player. Cheering his teammates, pushing them in practice, and taking the free education along with the free ass that comes with being a D1 QB. He's basically Alex Moran in season 1 of Blue Mountain State.
Blue Mountain State - great reference. I loved that show
Makes me wonder: What are the other QBs so piss poor at that better mechanics and more accurate passing don't help them move past Laviano on the depth chart?
The question that could be asked,and I didnt want to start a new thread on it..
Q. Should Ash and company have made the call in training camp,after seeing the QB talent and overall speed,WR talent NOT to run the power spread offense as the base offense this season?
Meaning..maybe he made a mistake trying to start running his offense with these players as the sole offense base scheme,in year one,instead of making the offense scheme fit the talent set he has right now??
more then a few veteran coaches recently got fired for doing just this....
Feedback?
Q. Should Ash and company have made the call in training camp,after seeing the QB talent and overall speed,WR talent NOT to run the power spread offense as the base offense this season?
Meaning..maybe he made a mistake trying to start running his offense with these players as the sole offense base scheme,in year one,instead of making the offense scheme fit the talent set he has right now??
more then a few veteran coaches recently got fired for doing just this....
Feedback?
Rettig graduating this year.BS as to playbook.He has long term steady girlfriend.Rettig will transfer ,where he will have a chance to play.
If you are a power spread coach you don't run a pro stye to accommodate Chris Laviano.
What other offense does Mehringer know how to run? Even most of the better and more experienced OCs at this level aren't fluent with multiple types of offenses.
On another note, it is fairly astonishing that people actually believe that Heisman Trophy talent is rotting on the bench because the coaches have an agenda.
Retting can't get on the field at Rutgers, where do you expect him to get a chance to play? :joy:
The real reason that Rettig is not playing is not that hard to
figure out. And it is not because he doesn't care anymore.Rettig
was taken off the depth chart for a very simple reason. The OC
wants his man Oden in. Now what happens if CL sucks, it
justifies bringing in Oden, It is preplanned why else would they
take away his redshirt at 18 yrs old. Now say they put in
Rettig instead of Laviano and he throws 50 yard touch down passes.
How can coaches justify taking him out of the game. So these young
coaches are in such a hurry to put in the spread, they put in a young
kid that is not ready by any means.
figure out. And it is not because he doesn't care anymore.Rettig
was taken off the depth chart for a very simple reason. The OC
wants his man Oden in. Now what happens if CL sucks, it
justifies bringing in Oden, It is preplanned why else would they
take away his redshirt at 18 yrs old. Now say they put in
Rettig instead of Laviano and he throws 50 yard touch down passes.
How can coaches justify taking him out of the game. So these young
coaches are in such a hurry to put in the spread, they put in a young
kid that is not ready by any means.
It's an incredible video. That's 10 years of work. I have some creative friends. I think they could do better over a weekend.
And $10 says he will light things up whereever he goes. And announcers will call him the former LSU QB everytime he throws a TD.
And the legend of the back up QB continues to grow. He'll be Marino in waiting . . . and in waiting . . . at his next stop. He will have perfected the art of not cracking a starting line-up -- and yet being great. He Is the immutably great four star recruit of LSU. "Man, did you see the arm on that guy. Why can't all those coaches see it?"
I'm hopeful Rettig drops down to D2 or even D3 and amazingly becomes a legend at that school. That would be awesome.
I think there will perennially be the guy the fans are just convinced is being looked over.... Rettig/Dodd/Rocket/etc. One guy who they will swear up and down is the game changer we need, but who never actually sees the field. I'm curious who it will be once Rettig leaves.
Sad to say but Schiano's defense may force the change for us. His defense will get to Laviano a lot.
Adjusting scheme to talent is far easier in the NFL where you can plug and play via free agency & the draft.
Need a press-corner?
In the box safety?
Big/possession receiver?
Scat back?
You can do that.
Plus with no limits on practice time, you can pretty much install a brand new system in the course of one off-season. Teams switch back and forth between the 3-4 and 4-3 defenses all the time in the NFL.
The Patriots famously went from a ground-and-pound team with a green Tom Brady to a full-on air spread assault with Welker/Moss to a hurry-up spread to a two TE monster with Gronk/Hernandez and now to whatever mish-mash they are running with the 3rd and 4th string QB.
It's a lot harder to do in college because you don't have the roster flexibility or the practice time. And keep in mind, the talent level in the NFL is crazy. That dime corner or 5th WR is likely All-American quality.
So in college, you pretty much have to go all-in and grin and bear the short term results.
While CL isn't the ideal QB here, the rest of the offensive squad will be ready whenever that guy comes along.
Even 'ol Jimmy in Ann Arbor had to eat a year before he could get "his guys" in there.
So true. You continue to implement the system you know and believe in while you recruit players to fit it. If you're gonna take your lumps, you do it in the beginning during your honeymoon period, and chalk it up to growing pains. Besides, I think Ash already is adjusting the offense to his personnel somewhat... holding back on certain aspects of the system. At least I thought that's what he said he'd do when he got hired.
I have a feeling, once the right personnel are in place, this offense is gonna look different from what we see today in terms of complexity and creativity.
I will give Rettig this. In his limited time, I saw more from him then I saw from any QB on the roster last year.
But he isn't a fit for this offense. The only one that is would be Oden.
But he isn't a fit for this offense. The only one that is would be Oden.
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