Trigger Warning!!! This is a Politi article!!

[Scarlet Jerry]

It’s his opinion like you have yours and I have mine. Difference is everyone has access to his opinion because he is a real journalist. Like him or not people read his articles or he would not have a job. His article is fair in my opinion.

You lost me when you said “he’s a real journalist.” Honestly, Richie and Mike (and Mike) and several people on this board have a better understanding of the situation and football in general.

I like Gavin, but his tendency to throw inaccurate short to medium passes did him in. You have to do that at this level, and it was visible for all to see, even if you don’t have a degree in journalism. We have all of the other pieces in place to have a good season this year.

I wish Gavin well, but for some reason, his skill set didn’t match what we need to do. We don’t run the option. I don’t blame coaching for that. Schiano gave him every opportunity, and I hope that he continues his career and is in a good situation down the road.

Scarlet Jerry

 

[ashokan]

There were 10 QBs drafted this year and Taulia of Maryland was not one of them.
Recruiting and developing a QB who can play at the next level is a tremendous achievement.

He had offers from ND, Oregon, Michigan, Michigan St, TCU, WV, Maryland, GA Tech, Nebraska and others who know what a Dual Threat QB is. ND and Oregon in particular are QB savvy teams. They knew the passing would be a "development" thing but knew the gallops were legit. If GW was at Army or Navy he probably would have 20+ run TDs a year like Keenan Reynolds at Navy did. Since GW only visited RU and enrolled early I suspect his family like GS vibe

 

[knightfan7]

Indeed, when you have a QB for the 127th ranked passing team its a blessing to acquire the QB from the 126 ranked passing team (who had an ALL B1G WR). We rollin now

That 2nd team All-B1G WR had 36% of their Receptions, 45% of their Yards, and 50% of their TD's.

Sounds like AK was able to get him the ball early and often. In the Bowl game AK didn't play, he had 2 catches for 0 yards.

 

[newell138]

Another flaw with Politi's article is that he says "AK will be the bridge to Surace" What about Shepard? He looked much better in the spring game than Surace. Maybe even QB2 which is why Wimsatt is leaving

 

[365Poster24Seven]

You lost me when you said “he’s a real journalist.” Honestly, Richie and Mike (and Mike) and several people on this board have a better understanding of the situation and football in general.

I like Gavin, but his tendency to throw inaccurate short to medium passes did him in. You have to do that at this level, and it was visible for all to see, even if you don’t have a degree in journalism. We have all of the other pieces in place to have a good season this year.

I wish Gavin well, but for some reason, his skill set didn’t match what we need to do. We don’t run the option. I don’t blame coaching for that. Schiano gave him every opportunity, and I hope that he continues his career and is in a good situation down the road.

Scarlet Jerry

What do you mean? He gets paid to attend practices watch games and have opinions. You don’t like his opinions but that’s on you being a homer. His article is spot on like many of them are. Rutgers fans bash players and coaches all year if you don’t believe that come back for any game thread. Yet have an issue with a real journalist covering the team. He is not here to please us with his articles. He has his opinion just like you do. Difference is thousands of people read his and no one cares about our opinion except us.

 

[Eagleton96]

Please stop with the constant “Greek” references.

Is it possible for you not to act like an @$$?

No. That's what makes him a a troll and why he is on many ignore lists (including mine). Food for thought.

 

[MCRU93]

The premise was off. Here is the key paragraph:

"Maybe Wimsatt would never have the processing speed and accuracy to succeed at this level, but with more offensive coordinators (three) than high-caliber receivers (zero) during his time in New Jersey, Schiano and his staff also shoulder plenty of blame for their inability to get the most out of him as a passer."

I mean, GW lost the job in practice to another QB who was playing with same deck of cards as Wimsatt. GW just wasn't that good and no magical "development" was going to make him good.

The article would have been fine if it was talking about Rutgers failure to field a quality QB. But by placing the blame on the program's player development instead of recruiting and a certain amount of luck, Politi is seems to be inventing a scenario that's not supported by any evidence.

I do feel like there are some solid points in there though. I listened to the pod and he mirrored some similar feelings that having an offense change 3 times in 3 years is tough on a young QB and in a way that does fall on the coaching staff. I wouldn't attribute that to luck (good or bad). Sometimes it just happens to teams that are on the level that Rutgers is.

If Gavin had the same OC for 3 year is he a draft prospect? No lol. But it wasn't an ideal situation for a young QB who needed to refine his passing game so that he could learn to hide his inefficiencies. I still think AK would be the better QB but I don't fault Politi for bringing that up as a valid conversation topic. In a perfect world GW came in with a guy like KC as the OC and he had stability there. But the world ain't perfect.

 

[Eagleton96]

I do feel like there are some solid points in there though. I listened to the pod and he mirrored some similar feelings that having an offense change 3 times in 3 years is tough on a young QB and in a way that does fall on the coaching staff. I wouldn't attribute that to luck (good or bad). Sometimes it just happens to teams that are on the level that Rutgers is.

If Gavin had the same OC for 3 year is he a draft prospect? No lol. But it wasn't an ideal situation for a young QB who needed to refine his passing game so that he could learn to hide his inefficiencies. I still think AK would be the better QB but I don't fault Politi for bringing that up as a valid conversation topic. In a perfect world GW came in with a guy like KC as the OC and he had stability there. But the world ain't perfect.

The kid couldn't throw a 10 yard pass without it going well behind the receiver. He rarely got within 5 yards of a receiver on deep balls. I just don't think any of the stuff Politi was talking about comes into play when you are sucking at that level.

 

[MCRU93]

The kid couldn't throw a 10 yard pass without it going well behind the receiver. He rarely got within 5 yards of a receiver on deep balls. I just don't think any of the stuff Politi was talking about comes into play when you are sucking at that level.

Those are the inefficiencies I was referring to. Again, would it have made a huge difference? Probably not in my opinion. But the argument of having a new OC every year and how that can negatively impact a QBs development gets talked about at all levels, college and NFL. So why should we discount it as a talking point here? I think that its a fair conversation to have. Good program strive for stability and there wasn't much of it during that time period so in a way that does fall on the staff, regardless of if that would have changed the outcome of a QBs development.

 

[Eagleton96]

Those are the inefficiencies I was referring to. Again, would it have made a huge difference? Probably not in my opinion. But the argument of having a new OC every year and how that can negatively impact a QBs development gets talked about at all levels, college and NFL. So why should we discount it as a talking point here? I think that its a fair conversation to have. Good program strive for stability and there wasn't much of it during that time period so in a way that does fall on the staff, regardless of if that would have changed the outcome of a QBs development.

That's true. But that kind of stuff comes into play if a kid is making bad reads, throwing a lot of picks under pressure instead of throwing the ball away, missing the hot read or the outlet route, not making proper pre-snap adjustments, screwing up on the timing plays. That stuff is much different than what Gavin did; missing open receivers, often, and by a lot. Like, not just a little off. Like 5 yards over his head or bouncing on the turf. And when he did hit them, it was never in stride. Never set up for YAC. It was bad.

Anyway, all just opinions.

 

[MADHAT1]

(Edited by Madhat because content was unreadable)

when posting articles, make them ones we can read if we aren't paid Star Liar subscribers .

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Your a broken record we get it your tighter than a drum. Article is fair last QB we developed was Teel and that was a long time ago.

Gary Nova??

 

[Eagleton96]

Gary Nova??

What does this even mean to develop a QB? If it means to help them reach their max potential as a college QB then we developed many, including Vedral and probably Wimsatt as well. Constructing a serviceable Big Ten offense around the least accurate QB in D1...that's a frigging miracle. An act of coaching genius.

 

[Knight Shift]

No. That's what makes him a a troll and why he is on many ignore lists (including mine). Food for thought.

Really don't understand how Greek is offensive. There was Jimmy the Greek. There's Greek life. Many people don't have a problem being referred to by their ethnic origin. Poles, German, Irish, etc. Some people are so sensitive. It always seems some Karen always has to scream racism, or sexism or some sort of "ism" in a spate of faux outrage. I know several Greek people. Every one of them are damn proud of their ethnicity.

Mellow the F out already, people.

Another "Athan" has this:

Athan Hristodulu​

Host of "The Greek's Gridiron" Podcast on YouTube

https://www.linkedin.com/in/athan-hristodulu-994b06211/

 

[RuSnp]

Its true. RU cant develop a red zone in 20 years and QB is part of that. Schiano said that last year the OL couldn't really block for long passes and Kirk schemed away from them. So that's a big chunk of playbook right there. Then you have a top ranked DUAL threat QB and dont let him run much because you are a PRO set guy who fears turnovers. According to Kirk Ciarrocca the third year of QB "development" was supposed to be the "year of mastery." So much for that. I'm sure Glacier Greg loved the idea of taking three years to grow a QB.

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Wimsatt has a career 96 passer rating. We aren't looking for mastery - we are striving for not awful here.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

Gary Nova??

That was also a long time ago and fridge was the reason he was good.

 

[e5fdny]

In fairness, we’re not talking about NFL caliber QB play at Rutgers.

Were merely talking about competent QB play, where the QB isn’t an impediment to winning games.

This.

Saturday results > Possible Sunday measurables

It’s all we need…C+/B- consistent performance from the position will do wonders here.

 

[Knight Shift]

Really don't understand how Greek is offensive. There was Jimmy the Greek. There's Greek life. Many people don't have a problem being referred to by their ethnic origin. Poles, German, Irish, etc. Some people are so sensitive. It always seems some Karen always has to scream racism, or sexism or some sort of "ism" in a spate of faux outrage. I know several Greek people. Every one of them are damn proud of their ethnicity.

Mellow the F out already, people.

Another "Athan" has this:

Athan Hristodulu​

Host of "The Greek's Gridiron" Podcast on YouTube

https://www.linkedin.com/in/athan-hristodulu-994b06211/

Little baby BossNJ cries in one post and laughs at my post. You need to get over your faux outrage. The Greeks don't need your sympathy. They are doing fine without it.

Here are more references to "the Greek". What a panty waste.

The Greek - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Greek Theatre

Located within Los Angeles, Griffith Park, the historic Greek Theatre stands as one of the nation’s most beloved and recognized outdoor entertainment venues.

www.lagreektheatre.com

The Greek – Greektown Detroit

thegreekdetroit.com

THE GREEK The Greek Tribeca

The Greek Tribeca, est. 2013 is a greek comfort food restaurant & bar, recognized by michelin for quality, service & decor.

thegreektribeca.com

The Greek Spot | Best greek food | Order Online

In the mood for delicious greek food? Look no further! Click here for our locations, view our menu and order online for pickup or delivery.

www.thegreekspotnj.com

 

[Eagleton96]

Little baby BossNJ cries in one post and laughs at my post. You need to get over your faux outrage. The Greeks don't need your sympathy. They are doing fine without it.

Here are more references to "the Greek". What a panty waste.

The Greek - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Greek Theatre

Located within Los Angeles, Griffith Park, the historic Greek Theatre stands as one of the nation’s most beloved and recognized outdoor entertainment venues.

www.lagreektheatre.com

The Greek – Greektown Detroit

thegreekdetroit.com

THE GREEK The Greek Tribeca

The Greek Tribeca, est. 2013 is a greek comfort food restaurant & bar, recognized by michelin for quality, service & decor.

thegreektribeca.com

The Greek Spot | Best greek food | Order Online

In the mood for delicious greek food? Look no further! Click here for our locations, view our menu and order online for pickup or delivery.

www.thegreekspotnj.com

Well in his defense, he was reacting to it coming from a poster that makes up annoying insult names for whoever he is bashing at the moment. So it wasn't delivered in a complimentary way. Easy to get annoyed by he who shall not be named.

 

[ashokan]

Wimsatt has a career 96 passer rating. We aren't looking for mastery - we are striving for not awful here.

You won 7 games last year with GW setting school records for running yards and TDs - and leading all B1G QBs, All around he had 4 more TDs than Kak (who had a All BIG WR).

Last year Caleb Williams had a 170. rating and GW was 103 to Kak's 115.
Its going to be interesting when RU fans realize they didn't get Joe Burrow
I don't know the team chemistry scene at RU but I know guys came back and cited the FAMILY thing.
I wonder how it plays when a 2 yr starter gets dumped for another ugly girl from out of town?

 

[Rufaninga]

The premise was off. Here is the key paragraph:

"Maybe Wimsatt would never have the processing speed and accuracy to succeed at this level, but with more offensive coordinators (three) than high-caliber receivers (zero) during his time in New Jersey, Schiano and his staff also shoulder plenty of blame for their inability to get the most out of him as a passer."

I mean, GW lost the job in practice to another QB who was playing with same deck of cards as Wimsatt. GW just wasn't that good and no magical "development" was going to make him good.

The article would have been fine if it was talking about Rutgers failure to field a quality QB. But by placing the blame on the program's player development instead of recruiting and a certain amount of luck, Politi is seems to be inventing a scenario that's not supported by any evidence.

Last year our receivers could catch the ball, but it often wasn't within 5 yards of them

 

[SleepingGiantIsAwake]

You won 7 games last year with GW setting school records for running yards and TDs - and leading all B1G QBs, All around he had 4 more TDs than Kak (who had a All BIG WR).

Last year Caleb Williams had a 170. rating and GW was 103 to Kak's 115.
Its going to be interesting when RU fans realize they didn't get Joe Burrow
I don't know the team chemistry scene at RU but I know guys came back and cited the FAMILY thing.
I wonder how it plays when a 2 yr starter gets dumped for another ugly girl from out of town?

All the receivers may be very happy with the ugly out of town girl?

 

[Knight Shift]

Well in his defense, he was reacting to it coming from a poster that makes up annoying insult names for whoever he is bashing at the moment. So it wasn't delivered in a complimentary way. Easy to get annoyed by he who shall not be named.

I kind of breeze post most of his posts. Some of his posts add value The other one I have on ignore, because IMO, he never brings value, but only acrimony and whining.

 

[ashokan]

All the receivers may be very happy with the ugly out of town girl?

A QB who can bolt for 20, 30, 40 yards makes a receivers job easier.

Statistically RU just booted a QB from 127th ranked passing team for a QB from the 126 rated team (and with better WRs).

I can pretty much guarantee there are more players on the team not happy with what went down than happy players. They lost a dawg for a teacher's pet who has barely been around. Fans can forget players have their feeling about stuff like this

 

[rurichdog]

You can't develop QBs anymore than you can develop a pitcher. You can either do it or you can't

"Can't send a duck to eagle school"

 

[colbert17]

when posting articles, make them ones we can read if we aren't paid Star Liar subscribers .

It opened for me when I saw it and I don't have an account, I just thought it would for everyone.
My apologies.

 

[RuSnp]

You won 7 games last year with GW setting school records for running yards and TDs - and leading all B1G QBs, All around he had 4 more TDs than Kak (who had a All BIG WR).

Last year Caleb Williams had a 170. rating and GW was 103 to Kak's 115.
Its going to be interesting when RU fans realize they didn't get Joe Burrow
I don't know the team chemistry scene at RU but I know guys came back and cited the FAMILY thing.
I wonder how it plays when a 2 yr starter gets dumped for another ugly girl from out of town?

The references to Williams and Burrow are nonsensical.

Every RU fan on planet Earth if allowable would prefer Caleb Williams as our starting qb than AK or GW this year.

No Rutgers fan on planet earth thinks AK or GW is better than Joe Burrow and/or will win the Heisman this year.

The question is..... is AK better than GW? And I mean - GW is a historically awful passer. So ... probably?

 

[MADHAT1]

It opened for me when I saw it and I don't have an account, I just thought it would for everyone.
My apologies.

no problem, there's no need for an apology I shouldn't have been so grumpy .

 

[Rufaninga]

A QB who can bolt for 20, 30, 40 yards makes a receivers job easier.

Statistically RU just booted a QB from 127th ranked passing team for a QB from the 126 rated team (and with better WRs).

I can pretty much guarantee there are more players on the team not happy with what went down than happy players. They lost a dawg for a teacher's pet who has barely been around. Fans can forget players have their feeling about stuff like this

They didn't lose a dawg, the dog ran away when the other dog was given the bone he wanted.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

I laugh at pretty much all your posts. You’re a joke on this board and in the CEsspool.

Only difference is that there you’re amongst great company.

Just another old man who thinks he is special because he posts all day and night long.

 

[RU848789]

Wish Politi would enter the portal and go away. Paywalled. Hope nobody pays for that crap paper and they go under. Plenty of better options out there without the crappy drama queen routine.

It's a good article. Also wishing for people to lose their jobs (I have 2 good friends who work there) isn't a good look IMO.

 

[Knight Shift]

It's a good article. Also wishing for people to lose their jobs (I have 2 good friends who work there) isn't a good look IMO.

There are jobs out there at better organizations. James Kratch was smart and left. Forget if Dunleavy was there or just at Gannett, but he is doing fine. Hate the paper and the orgranization, not necessarily the players (except for Politi who is tool).

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

There are jobs out there at better organizations. James Kratch was smart and left. Forget if Dunleavy was there or just at Gannett, but he is doing fine. Hate the paper and the orgranization, not necessarily the players (except for Politi who is tool).

Politi can be annoying. I thought he was helpful in advocating to get Greg back. I don’t read the articles and find the inconsistency of the pay wall on them to be obnoxious. But I enjoy listening to the podcasts on my drive to and from work. Some are definitely better than others. The emergency ones are particularly interesting because usually TKR and some other shops come out with theirs at the same time so it’s informative to see where their perspectives agree and differ.

 

[Knight Shift]

Politi can be annoying. I thought he was helpful in advocating to get Greg back. I don’t read the articles and find the inconsistency of the pay wall on them to be obnoxious. But I enjoy listening to the podcasts on my drive to and from work. Some are definitely better than others. The emergency ones are particularly interesting because usually TKR and some other shops come out with theirs at the same time so it’s informative to see where their perspectives agree and differ.

Nothing compares to the TRK podcasts by @Richie O and @mb5789 , especially when Mike is in Mexico with the birds chiming in!

 

[Eagleton96]

Politi and the NJ.com sports writers are generally not the people doing the pseudo-investigative journalism scandal mongering stories. However, as evidenced by Politi's latest column suggesting that Wimsatt was mishandled and that's why he didn't develop, sometimes Politi...is wrong. And it's no secret that that generating controversy generates clicks and ad revenue.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Complete mismanagement by Schiano and staff. I can’t tell you how many posted KC on how it takes 3 years for a college QB to develop and learn a system. We gave Gavin 3 OC two unproven and zero WR help. Your own coaches let you know it was mishandled by their own comments.
I don’t think Gavin should be the starter by GS doing Schiano things didn’t help him.

I don't blame GS. Year after year of Flood and Ash resulted in no faith among HS recruits toward Rutgers offensive positions. GS recruited and developed Teel.. he will find a serviceable QB again. A star? That depends on NIL funds that can supply stars at every spot on the offense.. a QB cannot do it alone. NJ businesses need to step up.. what does the Star-Ledger and NJ Advance Media contribute to NIL funds for Rutgers?

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

You won 7 games last year with GW setting school records for running yards and TDs - and leading all B1G QBs, All around he had 4 more TDs than Kak (who had a All BIG WR).

Last year Caleb Williams had a 170. rating and GW was 103 to Kak's 115.
Its going to be interesting when RU fans realize they didn't get Joe Burrow
I don't know the team chemistry scene at RU but I know guys came back and cited the FAMILY thing.
I wonder how it plays when a 2 yr starter gets dumped for another ugly girl from out of town?

What an awful take.

You think the players do not know how poorly GW played despite being given every opporutiny? I rooted for him to turn the corner and show improvement. It just did not happen in any measurable amount.

We have a ball control offense.. we need to move the chains.. and too often, errant passes brought on the punter. Good play design, open receiver, incomplete. And we could not count on his passing game to ipen up the run game.. Monangai and the OIL excelled despite him.

I want him to succeed wherever he lands. I want success for anyone who committed to Rutgers for any period of time... with very few exceptions.

 

[ashokan]

What an awful take.

You think the players do not know how poorly GW played despite being given every opporutiny? I rooted for him to turn the corner and show improvement. It just did not happen in any measurable amount.

We have a ball control offense.. we need to move the chains.. and too often, errant passes brought on the punter. Good play design, open receiver, incomplete. And we could not count on his passing game to ipen up the run game.. Monangai and the OIL excelled despite him.

I want him to succeed wherever he lands. I want success for anyone who committed to Rutgers for any period of time... with very few exceptions.

"First - there is no such thing as "the players." Some players and units will see something one way and others another way. I was on a college football team with 100 guys on it. You can play all season with guys you don't know their full names or even talk to them. Players and coaches have favs and vice versa. I knew great players who never got on the field because a coaches pet scrub was starting for future recruiting reasons.

I can guarantee there are players who dont buy the "Gopher really shined in spring exhibition game and GW was awful" scenario. GW had a lot of friends on team and Gopher was a fav of an overrated coach who was part of RUs 2010 and left Minn offense a mess. "Third year is the mastery" lol.

Ball control is easy when offense has one hand behind its back. GS's defense are fun but his offenses suck - Ray Rice made him back in the day. Could never beat WV and RU kickers own the red zone because downs 1-3 were usually futile. Last year RU could finally block for run but still not for long asses (GS said).

A QB with 20 combined TDs wasn't killing a season. His "best" WR a 5th yr guy with 468 yds and 3 TDs (none - 0 - after mid September). That pretty lame in B1G (would have been bad for BE too) and Minn guy was miles better.

I could see GW being replaced by a real upgrade but that's not what RU got. One Kia replaced another Kia. QB is more than an arm/eyes throwing to hands/legs. A lot goes on between DBs and WRs. Often a QB is supposed to throw a sketchy, hard to catch ball. Most fans dont even know what a Sid Gilman decision tree is and take a simpistic view of the position. Obviously even NFL HCs dont do well with QBs either so its not so unsual GS still does so bad at it 20 years in.

A high ranked QB would be nuts to come to RU even more now. Sitkowski, DC, Savage, GW - annoited heroes who never got to bloosom at RU - time to stop blaming the players. Dodd was better than all of them but could barely get on the field despite winning BE player of the week after 1st start . Five INTs but starter couldn't get him in (think RU players did care about 5 INTs twice?).

People should watch Stephon Gilmour explain what goes on beteen the snap and pass

Stephon Gilmore Breaks Down His Technique & How to be an ELITE DB​

 

[RU848789]

There are jobs out there at better organizations. James Kratch was smart and left. Forget if Dunleavy was there or just at Gannett, but he is doing fine. Hate the paper and the orgranization, not necessarily the players (except for Politi who is tool).

I'm not talking about writers - there are a ton of support staff at any newspaper - one friend works in sales and another works in the printing room. I have a hard time believing you'd actually root for these folks to lose their jobs.

 

[Doctor Worm]

You can't develop QBs anymore than you can develop a pitcher. You can either do it or you can't

If you are right, a lot of very smart people are wasting a shit-ton of money trying to do just that. In both sports.

Are you suggesting that top-level coaching cannot help turn "potential" into "actual"?