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Truth: (Article)We wanted to be NYC's football team,Right?

ruready07 said:
so how do you become a premier program in The Hunt for a spot at the head table? We've been invited to the party, but how do we get to the table? (and can we stop kissing people's hands in the big ten please? We are a huge research university in a state with a bowl winning football program and plenty of recruiting talent.. why on earth wouldnt that school make sense to bring in to the conference along with all the money they bring?) *that is not directed to the poster I replied to, simply to that loud segment of our fan base. Have some pride in your product for crying out loud.

But do we need money first or do we need to win first? If money is most important , then I'll see all you guys at Yankee stadium. If winning now is the most important, we will see most efforts/resources spent on the coaching staff and recruiting.
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Win and be considered one of the better B1G Conference programs and RU won't be kissing anyone's butt.
Hopefully Hobbs will see standing up for RU season ticket holders and the possible donation gains it might mean is better for all RU Sports than grabbing a quick buck that might be something that causes hard feelings and less donations in the future .
 
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MADHAT1 said:
Win and be considered one of the better B1G Conference programs and RU won't be kissing anyone's butt.
Hopefully Hobbs will see standing up for RU season ticket holders and the possible donation gains it might mean is better for all RU Sports than grabbing a quick buck that might be something that causes hard feelings and less donations in the future .
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build for the long term you say...?? Hmmm.. You don't wanna be a flash in the pan like Baylor? Maybe we should take the recommendation of an old coach here and build on solid foundation so it'll last...
For me, that can work but so can the other short-cut option. Oh by the way, people love short cuts, especially to money.
 
GoodOl'Rutgers said:
BS line about wanting to be New York's team. New Yorkers can take the train right to Rutgers and get some of that good ole Big Ten college football game experience that they cannot get in the Bronx no matter who plays there.
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Sacrifice and build a little a wariness to help bring more people on campus...
 
Bamm Bamm Rubble said:
Sacrifice and build a little a wariness to help bring more people on campus...
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WIN first. Example: if we played the first game of 2007 at Yankee Stadium, after that great 2006 team was a tough ticket to get, THEN we might build "a little wariness" (which I assume was a spell-correction/dictation transcription failure of AWARENESS).
 
Love to see the anti everything peoples reaction If the Yankees and B10 /Acc Replaced Rutgers with Syracuse vrs Michigan with the game being a 'home game' for Cuse. Harbaugh could have all his Jersey recruit targets in attendance,as would Cuse to a lesser degree..and maybe the Rutgers billboard sign that everyone wanted could still be there in left field as the game is being played?
Some fans just dont get the bigger picture..RU is in no position in B10 ranking order or power five(which we are viewed as a power five bottom feeder nationaly) to turn this game down...
 
We own the NYC TV market and it got us into the B1G. Now lets play all of our home games in Piscataway as we are in the best conference in the country.

I don't think SU or Army playing in Yankee Stadium helped those programs and it wouldn't help us.
 
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Yeah, playing in a historic baseball stadium leads to exposure alright.

Without googling, who did northwestern play in that wrigley field game where they could only use one end zone?
 
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RUJohnny99 said:
Yeah, playing in a historic baseball stadium leads to exposure alright.

Without googling, who did northwestern play in that wrigley field game where they could only use one end zone?
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And Yankee Stadium isnt even historic anymore...the historic stadium was bulldozed!
 
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RUJohnny99 said:
Yeah, playing in a historic baseball stadium leads to exposure alright.

Without googling, who did northwestern play in that wrigley field game where they could only use one end zone?
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I remember the game where they could only use one end-zone, because there was so much news coverage about only being able to use one end-zone.

If you didn't mention that Northwestern was one of the teams that played in that game, I would not be able to name either team. Other than the fact that they could use only one end zone, I remember nothing about that game. If they were able to use both end zones, I wouldn't have even known the game took place.
 
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Have any details come out?
Are we going to pay extra for the thrill of watching a game with terrible sight lines?
...a game with little to no chance to tailgate?
...a game where people with great seats at HPSS get terrible seats at Yankee Stadium?
(That was certainly my experience at the Meadowlands where my 50 yard line HPSS seats became corner endzone
at MetLife and I was paying three times what others paid who got to sit at the 40 yard line)

Is this a done deal?
If so, will Rutgers be making more money than at a home game at HPSS?
Is it significantly more?
Because if not
I strongly dislike this idea.
I believe it is another instance of the paying/attending fans being undervalued
and underappreciated.

Personally I had a few issues with the fan experience last year
that made me question whether Rutgers gave a shit.
So adding this next year may make me decide to watch all games from home
So for Rutgers there is a risk. It is not like we sell out the stadium with season tickets
and there are people on a waiting list who will scoop up any tickets that are not renewed.

If Julie did commit Rutgers to this then she was an idiot unless the money is ridiculous.
One game at HPSS in October.
One game at HPSS in November
Didn't she look at the schedule before agreeing to this?
Four home games out of the five September Saturdays...how many will be a noon start?
They love cooking the east side fans! But TV pays the big bucks so the hell with the fans who go to the games.
Half my small tailgate group cannot make a noon start. So although I love a breakfast tailgate menu it isn't worth the work
for the few of us who can be there early

sorry for the rant
 
BlockR said:
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after reading this go to Uconns board..see how they are pleading to be in a power five conference.
Great Article Dave White!!
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That is a good article. I agree, I also agree with many on this board ,it is an inconvenience to get to this game in the city, and that we forfeit our normal HPPS seats (not right).
But, What I have observed about the BIG is they do everything first class. There is no doubt they will market this game big time! I hope the RU faithful will come out in droves and show why big peice of NYC is ours.
You have to realize the time it takes to get there for us is nothing compared to the time the average college football fan has to travel to see their team play AT HOME.Just as all the sports are going through some growing pains so is our fan base, ten years from now this is a non-issue.
 
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50 yd line RR said:
That is a good article. I agree, I also agree with many on this board ,it is an inconvenience to get to this game in the city, and that we forfeit our normal HPPS seats (not right).
But, What I have observed about the BIG is they do everything first class. There is no doubt they will market this game big time! I hope the RU faithful will come out in droves and show why big peice of NYC is ours.
You have to realize the time it takes to get there for us is nothing compared to the time the average college football fan has to travel to see their team play AT HOME.Just as all the sports are going through some growing pains so is our fan base, ten years from now this is a non-issue.
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Televise the game in prime-time on a major network and playing Maryland at Yankee Stadium
probably would get the exposure many claim playing in a baseball stadium located in the Bronx will do.
Other than that, don't think the added PR of playing in Yankee Stadium will help RU FB as much as some RU fans think it will
 
50 yd line RR said:
That is a good article. I agree, I also agree with many on this board ,it is an inconvenience to get to this game in the city, and that we forfeit our normal HPPS seats (not right).
But, What I have observed about the BIG is they do everything first class. There is no doubt they will market this game big time! I hope the RU faithful will come out in droves and show why big peice of NYC is ours.
You have to realize the time it takes to get there for us is nothing compared to the time the average college football fan has to travel to see their team play AT HOME.Just as all the sports are going through some growing pains so is our fan base, ten years from now this is a non-issue.
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What many of us are concerned about is in ten years this a regular occurrence.

This has been a B1G Bowl game for a few years now. Not sure what everybody is getting at about the B1G making it first class? Just haven't seen that yet. And remember I work in the City.

In the 12 bowls the B1G is partnered with this one is only (at best) #7.
 
Northwestern, Illinois, Wisconsin and Iowa have all played football at Soldier Stadium or Wrigley Field for home games in the past few years. In the NU-Illinois game at Wrigley, they had only one end zone for both teams, which was a little strange. A lot of people watched those games because of the unique venues, and I don't remember anybody complaining about losing a home game venue. It got a lot of attention. How is that different from RU playing in New York? It's good exposure for the team and the conference. Seems like posters are making a mountain out of a mole hill here.
 
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OldTownPepe said:
Northwestern, Illinois, Wisconsin and Iowa have all played football at Soldier Stadium or Wrigley Field for home games in the past few years. In the NU-Illinois game at Wrigley, they had only one end zone for both teams, which was a little strange. A lot of people watched those games because of the unique venues, and I don't remember anybody complaining about losing a home game venue. It got a lot of attention. How is that different from RU playing in New York? It's good exposure for the team and the conference. Seems like posters are making a mountain out of a mole hill here.
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The NU-Illinois game at Wrigley was the first College football game there since 1938.
The other teams you mentioned played at Soldier Field, which is a football stadium.
There's a big difference between playing at a venue designed for baseball than one designed
to play football in.
Northern Illinois University played Wisconsin at Soldier Field and Iowa twice there , but the size of Soldier Field (61,500) compared to NIU's Huskie Stadium capacity of 23,595 was a good reason to change venue in order for NIU to attract a major program to play them as a visiting team.
Rutgers doesn't need Yankee Stadium to draw opponents, the Turtles and other B1G opponents already are playing RU at their houses and at Rutgers Stadium (HPSS) which is designed for football not baseball.
Unless the Yankee Stadium game is on a major national network (Fox,ABC,ESPN, CBS or NBC) for the whole nation to see during prime-time hours , playing at YS won't be the PR event
many think it will be.

The NU-Illinois game at Wrigley was an abomination and a game like that hopefully ( even though a novelty) for football fans should never happen again.
So Wrigley field was a poor example and the Soldier Field games were held there because the home team's Husky Stadium's seating capacity was too small to get Wisconsin and Iowa to play them there.
 
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MADHAT1 said:
The NU-Illinois game at Wrigley was the first College football game there since 1938.
The other teams you mentioned played at Soldier Field, which is a football stadium.
There's a big difference between playing at a venue designed for baseball than one designed
to play football in.
Northern Illinois University played Wisconsin at Soldier Field and Iowa twice there , but the size of Soldier Field (61,500) compared to NIU's Huskie Stadium capacity of 23,595 was a good reason to change venue in order for NIU to attract a major program to play them as a visiting team.
Rutgers doesn't need Yankee Stadium to draw opponents, the Turtles and other B1G opponents already are playing RU at their houses and at Rutgers Stadium (HPSS) which is designed for football not baseball.
Unless the Yankee Stadium game is on a major national network (Fox,ABC,ESPN, CBS or NBC) for the whole nation to see during prime-time hours , playing at YS won't be the PR event
many think it will be.

The NU-Illinois game at Wrigley was an abomination and a game like that hopefully ( even though a novelty) for football fans should never happen again.
So Wrigley field was a poor example and the Soldier Field games were held there because the home team's Husky Stadium's seating capacity was too small to get Wisconsin and Iowa to play them there.
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If Michigan or Ped were foolish enough to give up a home game, or any other team for that matter, I invite them to Yankee Stadium or MetLife or whereever. Free country, free to lose money your favorite way.

But that would never happen, because they don't have idiots like Flood lobbying to sacrifice home field advantage
 
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NotInRHouse said:
If Michigan or Ped were foolish enough to give up a home game, or any other team for that matter, I invite them to Yankee Stadium or MetLife or whereever. Free country, free to lose money your favorite way.

But that would never happen, because they don't have idiots like Flood lobbying to sacrifice home field advantage
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While I agree with your premise that I can't see another big 10 team moving a home game out of state, I don't get the gratuitous bash of Flood. This is not a decision a head coach would make.
 
rubaseball78 said:
While I agree with your premise that I can't see another big 10 team moving a home game out of state, I don't get the gratuitous bash of Flood. This is not a decision a head coach would make.
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The only place the guy COULD recruit was Long Island parochials. Even if he didn't make the decision, I'm sure he advocated for Yankee Stadium games.
 
RUJohnny99 said:
The only place the guy COULD recruit was Long Island parochials. Even if he didn't make the decision, I'm sure he advocated for Yankee Stadium games.
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Purely an assumption on your part. I'm not a Flood advocate and wanted him replaced. Just don't see the need to make stuff up to bash him. He gave everyone more than enough ammunition to do so.
 
RUJohnny99 said:
Please explain how this will add to our exposure.

Chasing after this elusive non-committed college football fan in New York is an idiot's quest. We are THE STATE UNIVERSITY OF NEW JERSEY. NEW JERSEY HAS 8.7 MILLION CITIZENS, of which only 0.60% show up for games. If they want to grow the fanbase, fence the garden, don't chase something that isn't there.
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Well said. We'll get the exposure by playing exciting football and winning. We're already in the NY media market due to our proximity to NYC. NY fans who want to see B1G football, in an authentic college football setting, can take the short trip (easily accessible by mass transit or car) to P'way. I'm sure lots already do. It'd be a nice day trip and a break from the city. Schiano was right with the idea of making games at RU an event. All NY fans are welcome, of course, but let's get better at being New Jersey's team and getting NJ behind us first.
 
rubaseball78 said:
While I agree with your premise that I can't see another big 10 team moving a home game out of state, I don't get the gratuitous bash of Flood. This is not a decision a head coach would make.
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The reports have indicated he asked JH to arrange it. Which I blame him for more than her.
 
OldTownPepe said:
Northwestern, Illinois, Wisconsin and Iowa have all played football at Soldier Stadium or Wrigley Field for home games in the past few years. In the NU-Illinois game at Wrigley, they had only one end zone for both teams, which was a little strange. A lot of people watched those games because of the unique venues, and I don't remember anybody complaining about losing a home game venue. It got a lot of attention. How is that different from RU playing in New York? It's good exposure for the team and the conference. Seems like posters are making a mountain out of a mole hill here.
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And now NU-Illinois own the Chicago market right? It brought them to the next level and brought in a ton of new fans and money? Oh, yeah, it did nothing at all for the long term prospects of either program. This is a paycheck game plain and simple. Any other excuse as to marketing and branding is transparent BS to cover up the money grab.
 
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Some of the people on this board are insane and jackasses. We are very lucky to be in the B1G. In fact the ONLY reasons we were invited into the
B1G is because we are the largest school closest to the NY/NJ media markets. If our price to pay is to have ONE game per year for football in Yankee Stadium I am all for it. First, It gives RU something no one else can deliver which is the NYC skyline and eyeballs. It is our unique marketing advantage. Most people in NYC and NJ don't even pay attention anymore to the whole NY/NJ divide. The NY Giants and NY Jets both play in NJ. Rutgers has a great opportunity to capitalize on the NYC market and we better take advantage of it because as someone rightly pointed out, what if Penn State/Michigan were to play there, I can only imagine how upset the posters on this board would be!
 
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BlockR said:
so we are so much NYC team we will refuse to play there?
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RU plays in the NYC market just like the NY Giants and NY Jets. The problem with playing a football game in NYC is that there isn't a football stadium in the city large enough for a major college game. The San Diego Chargers are the only NFL team that is playing in a stadium built for baseball (it was actually constructed as a multi-purpose stadium) and they are likely leaving at the end of this season.
 
BROTHERSKINNY said:
B1G is because we are the largest school closest to the NY/NJ media markets. If our price to pay is to have ONE game per year for football in Yankee Stadium I am all for it. First, It gives RU something no one else can deliver which is the NYC skyline and eyeballs. It is our unique marketing advantage. Most people in NYC and NJ don't even pay attention anymore to the whole NY/NJ divide.
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Exactly so. We have the same media market and the same amount of eyeballs available no matter where we play this game. Putting this in Yankee Stadium delivers exactly 0% more market penetration than playing in Piscataway.

Also, this is not our 'price to pay'. In case you haven't noticed we've been in the Big Ten for a few years without having to do this, our media contract came up and the inclusion of our market farking blew the top off of the contracts. All of that happened without us giving up a home game, because the media market doesn't change when we move this game.
 
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BlockR said:
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Understand #RFootball fans complaints about Yankee Stadium game. But think how mad you'd be if that NYC opportunity went to PSU vs Michigan.
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Neither of those teams would be stupid enough to give away home field advantage to play in NYC. A win is much more valuable to RU than a mear $1million dollars more. You can't give away a competitive advantage to a comference foe for a winnable game. It's a dumb argument
 
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