You can go back and re-read all of my responses in that thread. Tulane is an example of team that did more up against a huge talent gap. #CoachingMatters.
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In fairness, and I mean this with respect and humor, some of your posts are way over the top positive, followed by posts that are sometimes over the top negative. I am mostly positive most of the time, and I am disappointed in the lack of urgency in failing to hire an OC, and if it is not lack of urgency due to be turned down by multiple candidates for OC, that may be a greater cause for concern. We shall see what develops.
Tulane is an example of a HC who understands that the days of consistently winning games 17-10 are long over. The game has evolved for better or worse , but it is not the same game played during Greg’s first tenure, if he doesn’t evolve with it he simply will not survive despite having a few die-hard fans on this board.
GS couldn’t win a BE without Miami, Va Tech…
It took Kyle Flood to get a BE share “with Schiano players.”
GS is hilariously behind the times in his 2.0 run, chasing away arguably his best offensive player to UCLA in the name of “rebuilding HIS offensive line.” He takes two months and counting to even get one OC while numerous HCs have filled in their staffs in two weeks.
Tulane isn't an easy place to win and he's done about as good as you can expect there imo. It's all relative in saying a conference is easy etc..I'd say Cincy, UCF, SMU, Houston, Memphis at least have more resources than Tulane. It's probably in the bottom half of the AAC in terms of overall resources etc..
I think the bigger message is what I've said many times here, a productive offense with a mediocre defense is the avenue with the best potential (not a guarantee). Fritz likes to have an element of physicality on his teams too which I've mentioned is also important factor. They've generally been ranked 70s on offense but this year they took a jump into the 20s and 30s. They were 19 in yds/play. Their D was good enough. Those are the characteristics of a team that can have a decent chance to outperform their status on the landscape. It was even with a style of offense I don't think is best suited for a lower status team but they found a way to make it work with what they had this year and in general really because I don't know if you can expect much more than 6-7 wins out of Tulane regularly.
I posted this in the OC names thread but I'll post it here again.
Here's a name, Slade Nagle, that I've come across and sounds realistic with regards to GS and a style of offense he might like. Not particularly a style (pro style) I think has the best potential but they've made it work at Tulane this year. Also some excerpts in the article about what I mention often...find a way to make it work with what you have. Also Fritz sounds similar to GS offensively. Fritz lets his coordinators do their thing. He actually hired a different guy, Jim Svoboda, to be OC and then instead gave the keys to Nagle when he split the team in spring and Nagle did better. A demonstration of finding a way to make it work and adapting on the fly. There was a good article on it in the Athletic and the X/Os of some of it.
Excerpts from the article:
His head coaching journey started at Blinn College in Texas, where he won consecutive junior college national championships in 1995 and 1996. He compiled a 103-47 record at Division II Central Missouri from 1997 to 2009, then led Sam Houston to back-to-back FCS national championship game appearances in 2011 and 2012, then went 17-7 in two years guiding Georgia Southern’s FBS transition.
The setback made Fritz’s hiring of his third offensive coordinator in as many years crucial. Fritz has built his brand on special teams and defense. His offensive system is tied to the coordinators he’s hired. He’s had quite a few good systems through the years, from Bob DeBesse’s triple-option at Sam Houston to Chris Ault’s pistol operation at Central Missouri to Hall’s multiple-personnel scheme. And he’s known for giving coordinators full autonomy to run the show, provided they followed the No. 1 rule in his plan to win: Run the football.
In July, Fritz turned the keys to his offense over to Nagle, a tight ends coach with no prior coordinator experience, multiple sources with knowledge of the operation confirmed.
Some may say an offensive shift three weeks before camp is inconceivable, particularly in the high-stakes world of college football. But here’s what you need to know about Fritz: For 29 years as a head coach, he’s become the consummate adjuster, able to regroup and regain momentum when the entire program gets flipped on its ear.
“Historically, he knows how to take the resources he has and find out ways to make things work,” Hall said.
Nagle’s offensive roots were grounded in a two-tight-end pro system, a stark contrast to the 11-personnel, West Coast system Svoboda was accustomed to. It didn’t take long for Nagle to plant his flag. Tulane went back to its core of being a run-driven, heavy play-action outfit. The Green Wave shifted to using more multiple tight end groupings to take advantage of the skill sets of Tyrick James and Will Wallace, lining up in 12 personnel on 40 percent of snaps — 11th most in the country, according to Pro Football Focus.
Nagle also decided to move to more gap and inside zone schemes, which was a drastic shift from Svoboda’s philosophy of using the one-back wide zone principles that he utilized at Central Missouri.
As it turns out, Fritz didn’t get the hire wrong, he just read the room right, again showing a willingness to quickly adapt.
It marked an end to Svoboda’s full control over the offense. And in stepped Nagle.
I think the bigger message is what I've said many times here, a productive offense with a mediocre defense is the avenue with the best potential (not a guarantee). Fritz likes to have an element of physicality on his teams too which I've mentioned is also important factor. They've generally been ranked 70s on offense but this year they took a jump into the 20s and 30s. They were 19 in yds/play. Their D was good enough. Those are the characteristics of a team that can have a decent chance to outperform their status on the landscape. It was even with a style of offense I don't think is best suited for a lower status team but they found a way to make it work with what they had this year and in general really because I don't know if you can expect much more than 6-7 wins out of Tulane regularly.
I posted this in the OC names thread but I'll post it here again.
Here's a name, Slade Nagle, that I've come across and sounds realistic with regards to GS and a style of offense he might like. Not particularly a style (pro style) I think has the best potential but they've made it work at Tulane this year. Also some excerpts in the article about what I mention often...find a way to make it work with what you have. Also Fritz sounds similar to GS offensively. Fritz lets his coordinators do their thing. He actually hired a different guy, Jim Svoboda, to be OC and then instead gave the keys to Nagle when he split the team in spring and Nagle did better. A demonstration of finding a way to make it work and adapting on the fly. There was a good article on it in the Athletic and the X/Os of some of it.
Excerpts from the article:
His head coaching journey started at Blinn College in Texas, where he won consecutive junior college national championships in 1995 and 1996. He compiled a 103-47 record at Division II Central Missouri from 1997 to 2009, then led Sam Houston to back-to-back FCS national championship game appearances in 2011 and 2012, then went 17-7 in two years guiding Georgia Southern’s FBS transition.
The setback made Fritz’s hiring of his third offensive coordinator in as many years crucial. Fritz has built his brand on special teams and defense. His offensive system is tied to the coordinators he’s hired. He’s had quite a few good systems through the years, from Bob DeBesse’s triple-option at Sam Houston to Chris Ault’s pistol operation at Central Missouri to Hall’s multiple-personnel scheme. And he’s known for giving coordinators full autonomy to run the show, provided they followed the No. 1 rule in his plan to win: Run the football.
In July, Fritz turned the keys to his offense over to Nagle, a tight ends coach with no prior coordinator experience, multiple sources with knowledge of the operation confirmed.
Some may say an offensive shift three weeks before camp is inconceivable, particularly in the high-stakes world of college football. But here’s what you need to know about Fritz: For 29 years as a head coach, he’s become the consummate adjuster, able to regroup and regain momentum when the entire program gets flipped on its ear.
“Historically, he knows how to take the resources he has and find out ways to make things work,” Hall said.
Nagle’s offensive roots were grounded in a two-tight-end pro system, a stark contrast to the 11-personnel, West Coast system Svoboda was accustomed to. It didn’t take long for Nagle to plant his flag. Tulane went back to its core of being a run-driven, heavy play-action outfit. The Green Wave shifted to using more multiple tight end groupings to take advantage of the skill sets of Tyrick James and Will Wallace, lining up in 12 personnel on 40 percent of snaps — 11th most in the country, according to Pro Football Focus.
Nagle also decided to move to more gap and inside zone schemes, which was a drastic shift from Svoboda’s philosophy of using the one-back wide zone principles that he utilized at Central Missouri.
As it turns out, Fritz didn’t get the hire wrong, he just read the room right, again showing a willingness to quickly adapt.
It marked an end to Svoboda’s full control over the offense. And in stepped Nagle.
Basically what Fritz accomplished is removed the hot seat he was in and found a cool place to sit.
Going from 2-10 to 12-2 tends to do that.
We can praise Fritz now, but he took time to get this type of team.
Had a conference champion , but not a great winning record that year or any year before the 2022.season
Going from 2-10 to 12-2 tends to do that.
We can praise Fritz now, but he took time to get this type of team.
Had a conference champion , but not a great winning record that year or any year before the 2022.season
| Tulane Green Wave (American Athletic Conference) (2016–present) | |||||
| 2016 | Tulane | 4–8 | 1–7 | 6th (West) | |
| 2017 | Tulane | 5–7 | 3–5 | 5th (West) | |
| 2018 | Tulane | 7–6 | 5–3 | T–1st (West) | W Cure |
| 2019 | Tulane | 7–6 | 3–5 | 4th (West) | W Armed Forces |
| 2020 | Tulane | 6–6 | 3–5 | T–7th | L Famous Idaho Potato |
| 2021 | Tulane | 2–10 | 1–7 | T–9th | |
| 2022 | Tulane | 12–2 | 7–1 | 1st | W Cotton† |
| Tulane: | 43–45 | 23–33 |
Hot seat? I don't think he was on a hot seat and have never read anything about him really being on one. He had one bad season last year and has been okay the 3 years before. 6-7 wins is fine for Tulane. It's not LSU.
I think they might be able to do a little better because UCF, Houston, Cincy are leaving but I don't expect this type of season again. It's an everything comes together season but imo the point to take away is that it came in a season when their offense took a jump of about 40-50 spots in total/scoring/yds per play into the 20s-30s. IMO it's another example of a big key to these kind of years for teams lower down the status totem pole.
The only way we are going to win any shootouts is if we run a up tempo high powered offense / otherwise you just can’t go toe to toe with like air first teams, the days of the ground & pound slow the game down type of offense are gone in my opinion . GS is definitely lagging way behind when it comes to the offensive side of the ball.
took liberties with hot seat comment because of Tulane's 2-10 record in 2021.
(But did a google , after seeing your hot seat comment, not claiming I knew before you said not hearing he was on it) and found this:
Coaching Hot Seat In CFB For 2022 - Gridiron Heroics
( can't say I heard of this site till found googling for info)
Willie Fritz, Tulane (2021 record: 2–10)
The Green Wave have gone just 31–43 in six years under Fritz.https://gridironheroics.com/coaching-hot-seat-in-cfb-for-2022/
No offense but I'm not going to take gridironheroics as any sort of reputable source. It's probably as reliable as that coachinghotseat site. Jonathan Smith was even listed and he wasn't under any pressure either. I'm talking mainstream sports media that actually report on CFB like Feldman, Rittenberg etc..
Like Satterfield at Louisville was on the hotseat at the start of this year because his 6-7 wins weren't enough for Louisville. Even his 7 wins this year cooled his seat a little but he knew it could easily heat right back so he jumped ship to Cincy when he had the chance. Tulane isn't demanding such big results. 6-7 wins is probably enough for quite a stretch for Tulane before they would even consider firing someone for it.
He's been doing fine there and this year they had a magical run because the offense took a big leap.
no offense taken , like I said "took liberties with hot seat comment because of Tulane's 2-10 record in 2021."
Also gridironheroics is a site that I never heard of, so can't blame you for not trusting it.
my posts here mainly are trying to show Fritz wasn't as successful at Tulane as 2022 makes him out to be, but he had the time given him to make the Green Wave something its fans could brag about.
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I find it insane that they showed video of the Tulane D back getting CPR on the field 10 years ago during the second half of the Cotton Bowl, and then the same night Damar Hamlin needs CPR on the field in the Bills-Bengals game.
Point is pretty clear. Only three years to beat .500 and win a conference division.
I was surprised when Red Bank Catholic TE Alex Bauman selected 2-10 Tulane last year. Looks like he made a great choice so far!...Can it get much better then catching probably the biggest td in Tulane Football History in your True freshman year in the Cotton Bowl Win over USC and a Heisman Trophy Winning QB.
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Wut? Really? A losing conference record in five of six years is nothing to celebrate.
And regular season records in years 3 and 4 were 0.500. Padded resume builder wins against horrific Missouri State, Nichols State and UConn to get there too. Remember how our "fans" tear down our own coaches for beating weaklings?
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