Tylin Oden, 6'5, 192 Hudl tape :
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Would really like to see one of our current quarterbacks step up so it would let him redshirt. I would prefer not he gets thrown to the wolves But he may be better than the guys we have that have been in college for 3 years .
Look what he does with his running ...that threat is what makes this offense go.
Thanks for sharing OP. He has gotten better! Currently, he has a better arm than both of our projected starters. Yes, I think his arm is better than Rettig. Throws effortless, better touch, and can throw on the run. Also, noticed that on a few throws he took the hit to complete the pass. So, he has a little moxy. Would be great to Redshirt this kid to get him stronger(don't think he is 195),especially in the legs, but man hate to see this weapon on the bench when he can help us right now!
Granted it's a highlight film but I like that when he has to scramble he keeps his eyes upfield looking to pass and not just tuck and run.
I'm of the opposite opinion. We need to show recruits we're an improved team this year. If Odin is our best option and can help us win games he needs to play. Then by the time he's a soph or junior you would have recruited someone with a higher ceiling and they can redshirt and learn for a year or two until they're ready.
If Ash turns this ship around, recruiting will go through the roof, so there will be QB's and other skill positions lining up to sign letters. If Oden can help right away, so be it. I don't think Rutgers is in a position to have any throw away years if there's a better option already on campus. That being said, Oden needs to be better, and I mean significantly better to play right away.
C'mon now, if that's your son, you want him out there against OSU, UM, MSU NFL-caliber front-7 without a year to at least prepare physically and mentally?
And for what? Let's be honest: this year is a rebuilding year.
Remember Christian Hackenberg? The dude is a shell of himself because he had to learn a brand new offense behind a porous line without his best receiver (Allen Robinson, who's now with the Jaguars).
A McNabb-esque worm killer. On a bubble-screen into the boundary, no less:
Hackenberg drops back... looking... holding... lookiiiinggg... holdinngg...
TL;DL: I'd advocate a redshirt year while reloading the roster.
And for what? Let's be honest: this year is a rebuilding year.
Remember Christian Hackenberg? The dude is a shell of himself because he had to learn a brand new offense behind a porous line without his best receiver (Allen Robinson, who's now with the Jaguars).
A McNabb-esque worm killer. On a bubble-screen into the boundary, no less:
Hackenberg drops back... looking... holding... lookiiiinggg... holdinngg...
TL;DL: I'd advocate a redshirt year while reloading the roster.
+1, Agreed
Oden plays Day 1. Initially you bring him along, spot him reps early, eventually by end of the year the job is his.
Definitely start him the last three games of the season.
Figure that the 192 is probably a weight listing from somewhere in the football recruiting season?
Wonder where he is now - or is on track to be - by the time he shows up. Assume that a large part of whether he is seriously in contention to take the field this year or - red shirts - will pivot around a careful analysis of how he is physically maturing.
Wonder where he is now - or is on track to be - by the time he shows up. Assume that a large part of whether he is seriously in contention to take the field this year or - red shirts - will pivot around a careful analysis of how he is physically maturing.
Not only that.... could you imagine how many kids they could inspire to play the game of football. Don't get me wrong football is very popular sport in the state, but we lose a lot of athletes to the game of basketball. The state of New Jersey and DMV are full of a bunch of 5'10-6'5 foot aspiring NBA point guards and power forwards with ridiculous athleticism. I think this new coach and offense can change all of that. Rutgers can become the bridge and introduce kids to the dynamic side of the game. These kids want to be stars and RU can give them the vision. The B1G conference as a whole can benefit.
Our coaches were in contact with him and he was a backup plan if Haskins didn't commit. Kid has a lot of talent but needs to pack some size on his frame before getitng on the field. A red shit year for stength and conditioning would be ideal.
Just saw highlight reel. This kid looks good in all facets of the qb position. Threw in the pocket, rolling out to his left/right to throw, short/intermediate/long pass, touch pass, strength throw, patience, pocket presence, run for big gains, runs for 1st downs, sees the field, looks at all options. Tylin looks built for this offense. Sorry folks, don't see him sitting the bench if our current qbs can't get it done. Thanks OP for posting.
GO RU
GO RU
I don't think our OL will have the problems the Penn St OL had. We should be decent there.
Here are all the QBs drafted in the first round dating back to 2010:
Jameis Winston - redshirt
Marcus Mariota - redshirt
Blake Bortles - redshirt
Johnny Manziel - redshirt
Teddy Bridgewater - freshman year backup was starter by 4th game
Andrew Luck - redshirt
Robert Griffin - was a true freshman starter
Ryan Tannehill - redshirt
Brandon Weeden - redshirt
Cam Newton - backup to Tim Tebow; played 5 games; 5-10 for 40 yds, rushed 16 times for 103 yds
Jake Locker - started freshman year on service team eventually becoming starter
Blaine Gabbert - saw action in five games in reserve duty as QB3 behind Chase Daniel and Chase Patton
Christian Ponder - redshirt
Sam Bradford - was a true freshman starter
Tim Tebow - second-string behind Chris Leak
I've bolded those who didn't redshirt or start the year as a backup.
Jameis Winston - redshirt
Marcus Mariota - redshirt
Blake Bortles - redshirt
Johnny Manziel - redshirt
Teddy Bridgewater - freshman year backup was starter by 4th game
Andrew Luck - redshirt
Robert Griffin - was a true freshman starter
Ryan Tannehill - redshirt
Brandon Weeden - redshirt
Cam Newton - backup to Tim Tebow; played 5 games; 5-10 for 40 yds, rushed 16 times for 103 yds
Jake Locker - started freshman year on service team eventually becoming starter
Blaine Gabbert - saw action in five games in reserve duty as QB3 behind Chase Daniel and Chase Patton
Christian Ponder - redshirt
Sam Bradford - was a true freshman starter
Tim Tebow - second-string behind Chris Leak
I've bolded those who didn't redshirt or start the year as a backup.
Oden should be in the weight room hitting it hard. There's a tremendous opportunity for him to play early.
There's no question, he should be working with a personal trainer, focusing especially on his Squat and Power clean numbers.
And I agree, we should take one of his receivers. That would be a savvy move on Coach Ash's part.
There's no question, he should be working with a personal trainer, focusing especially on his Squat and Power clean numbers.
And I agree, we should take one of his receivers. That would be a savvy move on Coach Ash's part.
I think the receiver is his brother who is class of 2018.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/169521
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I did notice most of his highlight reel passes went to number 1. Was wondering if this is a Chad Pennington - Randy Moss deal. Is the WR making the QB look better than he is?
now list all the ones who didn't get drafted but still had solid careers. Using the first round as a barometer is kind of silly especially if you look at the schools they went to. Its kind of rare for schools like FSU, Oregon, Stanford, etc to be in need of a freshman QB. New coach, new offense, and new attitude....you play the guy who gives you the best chance to win.
Was the NW QB Clayton Thorson a freshman? He was listed at 6'3" 185 as a recruit, and now his profile says 6'4" 220.
And the Purdue QB, David Blough, was a true freshman last year.
And the Purdue QB, David Blough, was a true freshman last year.
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My point is even the all-world QBs who the NFL deemed worthy enough to be first round draft picks had to ride pine, some behind very questionable incumbents.
I'm not sure how many of their incumbents were "questionable" and nobody is saying it's an ideal situation. However, it's not uncommon and becoming more and more common as teams are running more power spread. as you know, a good number of those guys also were running a more complicated pro set. TBH, our future QB's are more likely to get drafted as WR's than be first round picks at QB
While I admit, they are questionable only in retrospect, my argument stands -- these future NFLers had to sit behind talent that didn't rise as high (Cam Newton being the lone exception in my example).
Agree re: QBs to WRs. Or TEs.
Being a contrarian at heart, I would have enjoyed being one of the few pro-style offenses left in NCAA. But even the most ardent of pro-style offense supporters (Saban) has showed a willingness to open it up with Kiffen installing more spread/option elements, which is testament to the effectiveness of this type of wide open attack. QBs running wild absolutely drove Saban crazy.
Agree re: QBs to WRs. Or TEs.
Being a contrarian at heart, I would have enjoyed being one of the few pro-style offenses left in NCAA. But even the most ardent of pro-style offense supporters (Saban) has showed a willingness to open it up with Kiffen installing more spread/option elements, which is testament to the effectiveness of this type of wide open attack. QBs running wild absolutely drove Saban crazy.
And Jared Goff at Cal started as a true freshman. although he made spring practice.
Tanner Mangum at BYU played as a freshman.
Brett Rypien at Boise State did too.
Brad Kaaya at Miami did too.
Tanner Mangum at BYU played as a freshman.
Brett Rypien at Boise State did too.
Brad Kaaya at Miami did too.
mildone: I think folks don't have high expectations either way, but feel the sooner Oden takes his lumps, the sooner he'll be able to turn the corner.
I'm in the camp that you want your QB to redshirt unless the passing game is an epic fail and Tom Savage is on the bench like in 2009.
But Tom Savage also serves as a cautionary tale for starting kids too early behind shaky lines...
I'm in the camp that you want your QB to redshirt unless the passing game is an epic fail and Tom Savage is on the bench like in 2009.
But Tom Savage also serves as a cautionary tale for starting kids too early behind shaky lines...
His brother looks a lot more solidly built at this point. He needs a year of conditioning and training before he starts. We could have four solid years after a redshirt with this kid, or one year of him getting pounded and three Hackenberg years. I choose the former.
We're in agreement on this. I think the team needs a year of learning to play in this new system before it makes sense to toss Oden in there.
Lots of players look great on HS highlight vids that don't look so hot in college. So while I agree with everyone that Oden's highlights look tremendous, I'm not convinced his starting at QB in college w/the current team around him will necessarily result in more wins than going with Laviano or Rettig.
If the staff thinks Oden can match or exceed the existing QBs ability to win games, then it might be worth playing him. Because each win helps with recruiting. But I'm skeptical that, as a freshman, the staff will think he's going to be so much better than our current QBs.
Is all speculation now. We'll find out soon enough.
There are so many reasons a pro style isn't a good idea for most colleges. Saban can resist a bit because he gets anyone he wants. To a lesser extent same goes for Stanford because of their academics. It's just so hard to get all the pieces at the same time. Two years ago we had an NFL TE, NFL FB, at least one NFL RB, NFL WR, NFL LT and a borderline NFL QB who had 4 years of staring experience and we still couldn't move the ball at times.
I hope so. I could live with a little more awe while watching our offense. Lately, it's been mostly aw. :)
No, I understand and I agree.
I've been one of the more vocal guys here advocating the spread.
Still, a part of me identifies with "manball" since that's what I grew up with. Michigan's offense when we played them in the Big House is exactly what I wished we looked like, trick plays and all.
10 true Freshman QB's who started last year
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2015/10/06/josh-rosen-brett-rypien-drew-lock/73423232/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2015/10/06/josh-rosen-brett-rypien-drew-lock/73423232/
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