Yeah. I casually followed them starting in 91 because my dad always pulls for the locals. But I'm embarrassed to say I was an ND kid.
Urb Meyer told Ash to take RU job over Syracuse
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Yeah. I casually followed them starting in 91 because my dad always pulls for the locals. But I'm embarrassed to say I was an ND kid.
What? Paul P stopped recruiting, he was upset with his contract, we lost out on mike vick. he was set to go to cuse , our system was getting outdated, facilities werent getting upgraded and the margin of victories were getting smaller but we didnt know this was coming? thats why he was fired. It was very clear what was happening. Daryll Gross just made a bad hire. Again, dont be proud of the close scores. Rutgers always have talent. Cuse just knew how to use there's better. Not our fault.
Dude, PSU because we vacationed/ had a home in the Poconos when I was a kid (parents sold the house in '97, and once I applied to/ decided on Rutgers, it was a wrap).
Joe P.
...where are you getting 'pride' out of any of that? Also, IMO you may have been aware, but a number of cuse visitors we've had over the years have made it clear that to them, all Rutgers-cuse games were 50-0 cuse from 1634-2004 and all the bad stuff for cuse started in 2005 (well, the '04 Champs Sports Bowl to be fair).
Joe P.
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I love(d) the Poconos and from 6th-10th grade PSU was going to be 'it' for me. However, once jr/sr year came and I realized I'd be living at school 9+ months of the year, a more rural campus wasn't that appealing to me. My 'final' 3 were Rutgers, Delaware and PSU, and for me RU ended up running away with it.
Joe P.
:joy::joy::joy:
Exactly. Besides, we are nearly two decades into the new millennium. At some point, when does what happened in the previous century become dated? I root for the Yankees but I roll my eyes when people whose parents weren't even born yet brag about all those championships won in the 1940's and early 1950's, completely overlooking the fact that they have won one World Series in the past 16 years while Boston has won three. The way Cuse fans talk you'd think they were Alabama or USC in the 80's and 90's when they weren't even the best program in their own region (and a weak region for college football at that).
They still need too be able to recruit. That's not going to be easy with no natural recruiting base, poor facilities and no national cachet to recruit nationally.
C'mon Bro. . .let's not turn me into a shill for the Orange. . . still though, I gotta call it, like I see it. . . Babers is the real deal as an Offensive Guru. . .
if you're a QB, he's your guy. . . and while Syracuse has poor facilities, etc. . . they do have enough social cache to recruit their QB of choice, nationally.
All Babers has to do is find the right QB, and the rest darn near falls into place.
and they do have an incredible home field advantage. . . playing on that pool table, in the dome can be very challenging.
Wait till Babers derails a Clemson or FSU.
I love Coach Ash, but Babers is perfect for Syracuse.
If he's such a "guru", why is he getting his first major HC gig in his mid-50's when guys like Tom Hermann and Justin Fuente got shots in their 30s? Just food for thought.
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Maybe it has to do with the fact that Dino is Italian. . . You can't question, Babers credentials. . . so you tell me.
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No you really won't. You're the worst team in the power 5 and nobody wants to play for you. Face it guy, you're done.
What? Italian??? The guy knows his offense. It wasn't a rhetorical question. I genuinely want to know why the delay in his career path if he's such a dynamic offensive mind. In today's game where not only college but NFL coaches keep getting jobs at younger and younger ages, I'm just curious as to why. And he's Hawaiin dude.
Just when I though you couldn't be any more brain dead you surprise me once again.
Italian? I though Babers was black? Schiano and D'Antonio are Italian!?! Growing up in the North Ward I know Italian!! Hawaii? Hawaiian is a state...not a race??
Look! Rumor is there was an actual recruit seen on Syracuse's campus. He was from New York City though, so he had trouble trying to find the campus
Look! Rumor is there was an actual recruit seen on Syracuse's campus. He was from New York City though, so he had trouble trying to find the campus
Is this pic from freshman orientation last September?
Their hatred for Cuse have flawed their brain for life. They dont want to hear anything positive about Cuse. They wont believe it and can't believe it. lol its amazing how much hate they still have. babers has nothing to do about the rutgers/cuse history. He did nothing to Rutgers. lol He is a good coach. Has a proven system. He will only have to play two cold weather games every other year in BC and Pitt. 6 to 7 games in perfect conditions. He has won as a HC. Don't let your emotions interfere with logically thinking. Why so much hate? lol
Numbers dont lie. Why is ashy a great defensive coach? how is he as a head coach? I guess we have to find out.
With the elevation of the conference and payments in the biggest media market RU can be whatever it wants to be!!! A destination? Easily at least that!!
Brother i would never accuse you of being a shill for the school in the tundra. I agree that Babers is a good hire for them, nice guy that's done well in two years at another mid-major.
lol the hate is real. We won before why cant we again. lol. I want rutty to win. Anything can happen. Schiano has proven that
Don't hate it all. I think he's a good fit for Syracuse at the moment. I'm just curious as to why he's getting his first major job this late in life. It's a legitimate question. And be careful...winning in the MAC doesn't always equal success in a major conference. For every Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly there's a Darrell Hazel and Dave Clawson.
Didnt say the MAC gives you immediate success. Atleast we know Babers style and how he reacts during games, And being a top assistant on a good team doesnt either my man. Being a the hot name young coach with no HC exp has failed more than than the older coach thats been a HC before. Good look with that 20 year old OC. He is gonna get out coached in the Big Ten East. He needs a veteran offensive guy to help him out. Ash will have his head in the defensive team rooms.
Funny you brought up Mehringer. He's 28 and he's considered by many to be an up and comer in the mold of Lincoln Reilly. A Texas boy (I will always take that) who I'm sure Tom Herman didn't want to lose from his staff but told Ash he's ready. As a friend of mine who coaches for one of our division rivals said "Ash must have really wanted Mehringer and there is something to be said for that". Money, I don't know if you are fully aware how much painful offense we've had to watch around here the past 15 years sans 2006 and that one year with Friedgen in 2014. We simply can't get the horses to run the pro set at a nationally competitive level. Not many can. Look at MSU last year...senior QB who got drafted, WR and backs out the ying yang and a big, veteran, talented OL and Alabama swallowed them whole in the playoff game. But Clemson, with a dynamic playmaker at QB, made a game of it and hung 40 on the Tide. We HAD to get away from the pro style offense. Plus power spread is less complex in blocking scheme and QB reads in the passing game. It's essentially dumbing down the O. There will no doubt be growing pains this year but by year 3 when we have the personnel in place this thing should be humming.
Oh I know all about it bro. Remember I coach and have an off season program Im apart of. I have kids that use to play there and some currently in the program. I follow you guys a lot and know the struggles. There are things I know that Rutgers fans dont know about. lol. Thats why Im so critical of you guys at times. I dont blame Ash for making that move. The OC seems to be a talented young guy. It might take him some time though.
I don't want to crush anyone's spirits. You have optimism with Dino as you should. His offense in the dome is a perfect marriage and I think he's the right guy at the right time for Cuse in the ACC. Also CFB is awesome and August is the month of hope...no one has lost a game yet! I hope Syracuse at least plays fun football again for the sake of the good fans like you and I think they will. We don't play anymore and we seem to recruit different kind of players for our respective systems with some crossover of course but I'm more concerned about our divisional foes to be honest. So I hope you enjoy the season and Dino has the impact you anticipate. I think he will.
No problem Boogie.
As I said before football programs go south usually because of bad decisions by an AD in hiring the wrong HC or having a good HC leave for a better program or an administration who really doesn't care a lot about athletics.
Not to bore you with a little bit of Pitt history. In 1963 Pitt ended the season ranked 3rd in the country. In 1966 a new HC was hired Dave Hart. For the next three years Pitt went 1-9.
That's right 3-27. How do you ever recover from that. New coach was hired and Pitt went 5-5 in 1970. John Majors was hired as new HC in 1972 and Pitt wins the National Championship in 1976 (undefeated season). John Majors leaves and Jackie Sherrill gets hired and Pitt goes 11-1 for the next 3 years (33-3). Pitt has been up and Pitt has been down before.
The point I was trying to emphasis was that Pitt and Rutgers have all the intangibles in place to be successful.
Let me make one final comment that I believe every successful college program must have (for sustainability) is continuity of the HC and staff. If you have a good successful head football coach you must retain him (this is where financials are a must). Every new coaching hire comes with risks and a bad hire can set your program back 5 years or more.
I believe Pitt again has all the pieces in place now to once again move forward (we shall see).
On a final note I hope Ash can upset Penn State this year. I am actually looking forward to watching that game.
I personally don't believe Franklin is a very good coach.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
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just so I have this straight: Syracuse has the cache to recruit their QB of choice nationally and somehow ends up with the 3rd ranked QB in the state of NJ. That's correct?
Babers must be like Flood in his ability to find diamonds in the rough! you guys are all set!
Devito is well respected elite 11 QB from powerhouse program. He worked his butt off to earn respect. Its not a guarantee that he will be great at SU but if you think he's the 3rd best in NJ then I dont know what to tell you. He can be 3rd best for you but he is 1st ranked for SU. He is taylor made for Babers system. BTW he is a 4 star on two other services and close to getting his fourth on the other two. IMO Lewis is a good fit for Rutgers but I think he is a poor man's Cardale jones. Iwasnt overly impressed with Lewis film. Strong arm, power runner, ok accuracy but no wow factor for me.
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I think he's a good player and a fine fit for SU's offense and Lewis is a good player and fine for for RU's offense. My hang up about Bosco QB's is we've seen 2 up close and they have ceilings. They can be good enough but won't carry the program. DeVito seems to fit that profile. Nothing wrong with that at all. He will be a good QB. So was Teel, so was Nova.
always fun taking shots. It gets boring when its just common fans debating. I like debating with rivals or former rivals. Its healthy, keeps us on our toes and you get a different perspective from people outside the fan base. I really think you learn more about your team from outside people. We are sometimes blinded with hope and optimism that we don't see the obvious.
I agree. Not sure if he will be better than teel or nova but he seems to work hard and has a chip on his shoulder. He is respectfully turning away a lot of schools. If Babers didnt have the resume and a proven system he would be gone.
Babers has done more with less. . . so yes, it's safe to assume that given his proven system, and his ability to teach it to less talented QB's. . . Syracuse will be fine.
Can DeVito wash out. . .sure he can, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Can DeVito wash out. . .sure he can, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Brothers?
You guys are the evil stepsister.. the red-headed younger "brother" product of the milkman.
Syracuse is the main reason why Big East football imploded. You just wouldn't get the basketball schools in line to give football its due. That's why Miami left and took BC and VTech with it. And even later.. when the Big East football schools should have talked about leaving en masse, Syracuse would have none of it.. thus dooming the Big East. Every Big East football playing school had a hand in that.. including Rutgers.. but Syracuse, because of its importance in basketball, could have forced the Catholic BBALL schools hands a bit.
Hell.. in founding the Big East, Syracuse prevented the eastern all-sports conference from happening. You share that honor with the stubborn jackass JoePA who had his hands full ignoring Sandusky's crimes.
And as for your record with Marone.. we had a lot of turnover of assistants because of our success.. and when Marone beat us we had a dismal OC.. who later became a dismal head coach. So if you can blame a coach, so can we. Marone deserves a lot of credit for that first SURPRISE win.. he saw what a few of us fans saw regarding our offensive system and destroyed us with a gimmick D. We had like 3 NFL linemen on that OL and we gave up countless sacks to Marone's D. It wasn't talent.. it was the scheme. The sucky sucky scheme and playcalling. Marone provided the blueprint for the following year when MANY TEAMS used his same gimmick D to crush our offense.
Go back and watch that game.. just blitz a LB and aim 5 yards behind center.... rinse, repeat. Whether we pass or handoff.. that was where it was goign to happen.. and the QB would have his back to the rushers so he wouldn't be able to do anythign about it.. so go ahead, blitz your heads off!
And oddly, we actually beat Syracuse that next year because we did not run our usual offense. That was strange. You'd think we could have changed out of that offensive scheme for other games as well. So many other teams used Marone's D scheme to crush us.. but Marone couldn't. You cannot make this stuff up. Why we ever gave Flood the HC I will never understand. He lost his co-OC gig after that next season.
Total coaching failure.. just like your Robinson years.
But if anyone knows what lack of talent and depth looks like, it is Rutgers fans.. we grew up on it. And Rutgers has had superior teams to Syracuse for over a decade now. And in the Big Ten, there is no way that is ever going to change. Syracuse will have to come up with something special to reverse the trend.. my suggestion is to load up on 5th year players and every 4-5 years field an experienced team that executes like a team of 4th and 5th years players should execute.
If it is any consolation, I think Rutgers should do the same in order to actually win the Big Ten East sometime in the next 20 years. That would give us 4-5 shots at fielding a very senior team whose experience might make the difference vs younger 4-star laden teams from Ohio State and Michigan.. hopefully they lose guys to the NFL allowing such opportunities.
Bottom line: I wouldn't change places with Syracuse for anything. That basketball record is mighty attractive.. but we're talking football here. No sale.
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I have no love lost for cuse but if you watch 'Requirm for the Big East', at least in my mind it made me realize that BE Football was never going to work in the long term because conference brass always saw it as a nuisance/ necessary evil. cuse carried some clout but not enough to break up the 'Providence Circle of Trust'. Once the BE denied PSU and then later on asked the ACC to run a co-op for football, it was a matter of 'when', not 'if' BE Football would fall.
Joe P.
Joe P.
well maybe Im built different from you internet fan haters. I've helped Rutgers more than you guys so you can believe what you want. It does absolutely no harm to SU or Penn st Temple Uconn if Rutgers is competitive in the Big 10. Its good for northeas football, it legitimizes us. I like to have good debates on here so I find things to say that generates your remarks. I really feel no threat to Rutgers not matter how much you want me to.
