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US News Ranks RU #56 In Nation

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17th ranked public university in the nation and tied with OSU and Purdue. RU also is the top ranked academic public university in the Northeast for the 2nd year in a row. PSU was just behind RU at #59, UMD and UConn were both ranked #63 in the nation. I'd love to crack Top 50 again overall as I feel like RU is stronger academically than both Cuse and Nova for sure.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities
 
I know this is an improvement, but does anyone know how this compares historically?
 
Thats crazy. College has so many "scam" elements to it
I can tell you for sure that colleges are doing all they can to manipulate the rankings. It is not unreasonable for some to conclude that a few colleges are going to extremes to pander to those at the expense of students. All of this is driven by money (tuition, donors, grants, etc.). Our societal mentality towards capitalism being a cure all and rankings being a big influence on that could be doing more long term harm that we may appreciate as it fails to explore the bigger mission of what higher education was intended to be.
 
17th ranked public university in the nation and tied with OSU and Purdue. RU also is the top ranked academic public university in the Northeast for the 2nd year in a row. PSU was just behind RU at #59, UMD and UConn were both ranked #63 in the nation. I'd love to crack Top 50 again overall as I feel like RU is stronger academically than both Cuse and Nova for sure.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Nice!!!

Even if the rankings are total BS.
 
I believe it was Rutgers College that was ranked that high. When the university restructured to school of arts and science etc., the rankings dropped.

Don't recall it being RC-only versus an aggregate of all RU-NB undergraduate colleges/schools (as it continues to be now....because how else could they give a rank and not factor in the multiple thousand undergrad students combined from Engineering, Pharmacy, Cook/SEBS, Mason Gross, etc?...regardless of whether or not the four liberal arts & sciences colleges were ranked collectively).

Also recall that pretty much for the entire decade of the 80s all the liberal arts and sciences departments in terms of the faculty were already consolidated under the single Faculty of Arts & Sciences.

Anyway, RU-NB dropped or continued declining over the course of the 90s and into the 2000s, quite a bit before the restructuring in the mid-late 2000s. Some believe the focus on grad/doctoral level education and research output to push for AAU status (achieved in '89) caused the undergrad level education to be overlooked for some time.

After a continuation of the decline upon the consolidation of DC, LC, RC, & UC into a single SAS (in 2006) and allowing some time for things to smooth out, arguably it's the consolidation that has since positioned RU-NB to bounce back a bit in the rankings (Engineering, Pharmacy, etc did not likely drop during that time and at least remained steady due to STEM-related demand), while the introduction of the Honors College in the past few years has also been a factor in helping to bump things up.
 
Don't recall it being RC-only versus an aggregate of all RU-NB undergraduate colleges/schools (as it continues to be now....because how else could they give a rank and not factor in the multiple thousand undergrad students combined from Engineering, Pharmacy, Cook/SEBS, Mason Gross, etc?...regardless of whether or not the four liberal arts & sciences colleges were ranked collectively).

Also recall that pretty much for the entire decade of the 80s all the liberal arts and sciences departments in terms of the faculty were already consolidated under the single Faculty of Arts & Sciences.

Anyway, RU-NB dropped or continued declining over the course of the 90s and into the 2000s, quite a bit before the restructuring in the mid-late 2000s. Some believe the focus on grad/doctoral level education and research output to push for AAU status (achieved in '89) caused the undergrad level education to be overlooked for some time.

After a continuation of the decline upon the consolidation of DC, LC, RC, & UC into a single SAS (in 2006) and allowing some time for things to smooth out, arguably it's the consolidation that has since positioned RU-NB to bounce back a bit in the rankings (Engineering, Pharmacy, etc did not likely drop during that time and at least remained steady due to STEM-related demand), while the introduction of the Honors College in the past few years has also been a factor in helping to bump things up.
Don't quote me but I remember reading on this board that the individual schools were ranked individually. Rutgers College being the most prestigious was ranked highly. Livingston and Cook were not as highly ranked.
 
Don't quote me but I remember reading on this board that the individual schools were ranked individually. Rutgers College being the most prestigious was ranked highly. Livingston and Cook were not as highly ranked.

My impression is the same. It was all phony because the colleges had ceased in the early 1980s to be genuinely separate entities; it's not as though, for instance, there was a Rutgers College poli sci department and a separate Douglass poli sci department.
 
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Don't quote me but I remember reading on this board that the individual schools were ranked individually. Rutgers College being the most prestigious was ranked highly. Livingston and Cook were not as highly ranked.

My impression is the same. It was all phony because the colleges had ceased in the early 1980s to be genuinely separate entities; it's not as though, for instance, there was a Rutgers College poli sci department and a separate Douglass poli sci department.

I don't necessarily disagree with either of you especially, well, "because Rutgers"...assuming the university reported info/data to the likes of USNWR in those days by specifically breaking out the separate undergrad colleges, I think they potentially did a disservice. That said, not sure I recall seeing separate NB undergrad schools listed in earlier rankings unless it was just RC that made it into the ranking as the largest enrollment college, and therefore most representative of the entire NB campus? If RC alone was ranked in the 40s range, maybe Pharm, Eng'g, or MGSA conceivably deserved a top 100 ranking, but went unranked instead because they were specialized? To me, the disconnect appears to be that if you're USNWR, how do you rank any part of Rutgers-NB as a national university if the engineering school, the pharmacy school, the ag school, the fine arts school, etc are all separate, the business school is separate and an upper-division unit only, and, of course, the 4 individual arts & science schools are all separate? That would make it apples and oranges with how the ranking of the majority of other universities would have been done, almost all of which also have many of those same individual colleges too (though likely not 4 different A&S colleges...a Rutgers special at NB only).

Practically every other flagship public or major private university has multiple undergraduate schools. Is it a case of Rutgers-NB can't get out of its own way and unnecessarily confused things due to the legacy of its Oxford/Cambridge-style federation model, which really only applied to the A&S colleges anyway? Seems only Rutgers would botch how to work the rankings and lose the perception battle rather than aggregating the reporting of all its undergraduate NB schools for ranking purposes and let the chips fall.

By the 90s or 2000s, would any part of Rutgers-NB undergrad potentially even qualify for USNWR's new National Universities category if the approach taken was to rank the undergraduate colleges separately? None of those would really be a national university on their own and thus they wouldn't fit in that category to begin with.
 
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