I've been watching football for a long time and we have less playmakers than I've ever seen on a D1 team. Robert Martin and Josh Hicks were on the way to being dynamic but have regressed somehow.. it's more than a bad offensive line. This is a historically bad team and our coaching isn't even show a shred of promise.
We have the lowest talent level I've ever seen..
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It's not exactly lack of talent. These coaches of ours stink.
I guess you weren't watching RU during Shea era and when Schiano took over the program. This team lacks talent obviously, but it is not all on the players.
It's the coaches, keep the fake handoffs that fool nobody on every down
Ash had more important priorities last December.
Like coaching OSU defense for 5 weeks for preparation for a Bowl game.
No concern for building a competent staff. He is paying the price now.
Talent is sorely lacking for sure, but so is the OC. A great OC could have coaxed a few more TDs out of this team, but it probably would have not led to more than one more win. Unfortunately, Merringer is learning on the job with talent left over from a pro-set offense that is incompatible with his system. The result is a disaster, but it should get better.
BS. Our talent is equal to at least 50 percent of the teams in the big Ten.
Our coaches SUCK!
Ash should donate his paycheck back to Rutgers as would the OC, the DC, and the special teams coordinator.
I feel like Ive been hoodwinked.
the staff has made them this way, like him or not flood was never, never this putrid
Lol. You're PSU. You guys are the biggest embarrassment in the history of secondary education. No one will ever forget that.
Sure it'll get better. In 2018 we'll lose to Penn State 35-17 instead of 39-0 with 25k PSU fans in the house. Ash was an epic mistake. Hate to say I told you so but I told you so
I don't see how any rational person watching that game would say that we have decent D1 talent. I see a team with mid-level D1A (FCS) taletn trying to play in one of the biggest conferences in the country. I think our talent level is that of Richmond, Sam Houston St, James Madison, etc.
My 2 cents as an outside observer.
As some others have mentioned, your talent level is now equivalent to the lower half of the B1G.
Coaching is the critical factor that must be improved.
Adjustments must be made by the HC during the off season.
Aside from the HC, a good OC and DC are the two most critical positions.
Coordinators have the greatest impact on rectifying a program.
Your coaching staff (at this point in time) lack significant P5 coaching experience (IMHO).
Well, it will be on ASH to assess the program and make the moves necessary to remedy the situation going forward. See what he does.
Example: Last year Narduzzi brought in a new OC (Matt Canada) and the results were dramatic this year. With the same talent level, he turned Pitt into one of the most prolific offenses we have had in years (score over 40 ppg).
As an aside, I am a little bit surprised at some of the venom coming from the Penn State cult members visiting your board.
Lets see how it play out.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
As some others have mentioned, your talent level is now equivalent to the lower half of the B1G.
Coaching is the critical factor that must be improved.
Adjustments must be made by the HC during the off season.
Aside from the HC, a good OC and DC are the two most critical positions.
Coordinators have the greatest impact on rectifying a program.
Your coaching staff (at this point in time) lack significant P5 coaching experience (IMHO).
Well, it will be on ASH to assess the program and make the moves necessary to remedy the situation going forward. See what he does.
Example: Last year Narduzzi brought in a new OC (Matt Canada) and the results were dramatic this year. With the same talent level, he turned Pitt into one of the most prolific offenses we have had in years (score over 40 ppg).
As an aside, I am a little bit surprised at some of the venom coming from the Penn State cult members visiting your board.
Lets see how it play out.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
Talent equal to other B1G teams. Name a single player on offense that would start for another team. I'll wait.
I got killed for saying the same thing last year. I remember one poster saying "I respect the fact that coach Ash is loyal to his former employer". Really!! Not a good sign. When Notre Dame hired Brian Kelley Cincinnati was undefeated and getting ready to play in a BCS bowl. Kelly didn't ask to coach Cincinnati he was loyal to his new employer and immediately put a great staff together that got him to a NC game.
I am sorry, but it really isn't. We put more talent on the field than Illinois and still lost. Our talent level is equal to that of Indiana and within shouting distance of Iowa. We will also have as much talent on the field as Maryland, let's see how we do. Now, let's not forget that Temple killed Penn State last year and should have beat them this year if they had gotten better QB play, and we have more talent than Temple. It comes down to coaching, and that is where we seem to have a major failing, hopefully that turns around in year 2 of the Ash regime.
Our talent level in general is probably not quite as bad as some claim--with some exceptions. we greatly lack depth and certain key chunks of the team ARE dismal, such as linebackers and receivers. also, we lack team speed, especially on offense. it's been a shitshow but it's way too early to write off the coaches.
Let me know when you donate as much as I do to the department.
You might be a fan, but you have no idea what you are talking about or looking at. You clearly weren't an athlete and don't know how to assess it.
Blaming coaches for everything in a situation like this is low hanging fruit for people who don't understand sports. I see why you do it.
We have maybe 2-3 players who would see *some* time on other B1G teams. And one of those is playing hurt and the other isn't playing.
Our biggest playmaker on offense is a freshmen baseball player. It's beyond horrible. It should't be a surprise. Check the offers a large number of these kids have. We have a team full of kids that were huge stretches.
This has what bearing on the issue?
Multiple people who have played college football have said that our coaching plan on offense is awful. You played football where?
This team did not look this inept on offense last year, even in the games where Carroo was out of the game--the difference basically being we are missing Lumpkin, an important contributor on OL, but by no means an explanation for the results this year.
Go ahead and keep burying your head in the sand and attacking our players and posters who question the OC.
The failure to make a single adjustment while getting hammered speaks volumes. Oh yeah, our defense is gassed, let's keep running a hurry up offense for another three and out--it takes a Heisman winner to see this. Just listen to Ray Lucas, the post game analysis by David Milewski and multiple commentators calling our games (most of which who played college ball).
I love guys who claim to donate to the athletic department on a fan board, you just know it has to be true. LOL!
The people who don't understand or have never played football always blame the players first, not understanding that it is not necessarily talent that makes winning teams, but how the talent that is on the team is deployed to give it the best chance to succeed.
Have to agree with this in this case, but keep in mind that Matt Canada was fired by NC State. However, further to your argument, Tom Allen at Indiana has done a fabulous job with Indiana's defense (#48 in total defense), Donald Brown at Michigan (#1 in total defense), and Jim Leavitt at Colorado (#14 in total defense).
Hopefully, our coach is flexible enough to recognize an experienced coordinator could provide a boost to RU's offense.
It's called DEFLECTION.
The issue on offense is a little bit of both coaching and talent.
Ummm, if someone question your fanhood, donations are the easiest way to dispute that. It's a much better indicator than being a message board b*tch. Wouldn't you agree?
Our offense was better last year for two reasons. We have better talent and that talent was suited for the system they were recruited to play. As it is we are putting little talented players in a system they weren't recruited to play in. We have some NFL talent on the team last year. Who on this team is going to be playing on Sundays exactly? Where is the Carroo of this team? The offense being better (and it still sucked) proves even more of the point. We had a little talent last year. That talent is long gone.
You can argue that Ash should play that system, or use the system he will employ and recruit to that.
I like his strategy. We weren't winning anything with a pro set anyway.
Our offense was better last year for two reasons. We have better talent and that talent was suited for the system they were recruited to play. As it is we are putting little talented players in a system they weren't recruited to play in. We have some NFL talent on the team last year. Who on this team is going to be playing on Sundays exactly? Where is the Carroo of this team? The offense being better (and it still sucked) proves even more of the point. We had a little talent last year. That talent is long gone.
You can argue that Ash should play that system, or use the system he will employ and recruit to that.
I like his strategy. We weren't winning anything with a pro set anyway.
Coach Flood was only good when the majority of the players were Schiano's players every year Schiano's talent graduated the overall play on the field got worse. Coach Ash is coaching last 2 classes of Schiano and 3 years of Flood's hidden gems. There is some talent on the team but most of the top 10 teams in college football have moved to the power spread. Kids see Alabama, OSU, Mich, etc. all running that offense. Once we have talent to match the system we will be fine and the coaching staff will look like geniuses.
I just saw this after posting my similar analogy in another thread. I likened it to changing from one type of car to another without the luxury of pulling out of races until the car is ready. Every week we have to display where we are at in our development against teams that have had their vehicles tuned up for years, while we are still trying to get the parts working properly.
But what still nags the shit out of me is how we didn't score in four games. Even very bad teams typically score against very good teams.
I'd have liked to seen a more experienced OC or at least co-OC from the start but kept an open mind. Still have the open mind despite the abysmal performance but obviously none of the apprehension has subsided with year 1 performance.
Tom Allen/Don Brown were actually 2 names I mentioned back then. Obviously, that was before Brown went to Michigan and at the time I think Allen was rumored for Auburn. They eventually hired Kevin Steele so I guess that's how Allen ended up at IU.
I think it'll depend on which HCs get fired for which possible names that could pop up. Eddie Gran formerly of Cincy and now at UK was one I had mentioned. Looks like he's struggled some this year at UK but Stoops is on the verge of a bowl so he's not likely available. Noel Mazzone at A&M is possible if rumors about Sumlin being let go come to fruition. He's been a solid OC. I haven't really looked much beyond the surface of who might be available. It depends on the firings. Plus first Ash has to think it's necessary and second there has to be a budget for it. I'd still be surprised if he let Mehringer go outright after one year and not with any of his personnel. So IMO a co-OC is the most probable thing to look for.
