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In every conversation regarding who we may hire I Flood get canned, we have people dismissing candidates because of things like "he's not a great gameday coach" or "he doesn't have enough experience at the P5 level" and many other reasons. But the truth is we are talking about RUTGERS UNIVERSITY.

We all know how cheap our administration is going to be. They are not just going to get the best available coach. I feel like if Gary Schiano wanted to be back or if even Lane Kiffin said he was interested, how can we really not be happy with those names considering the cheap hires our athletic department has made in recent years (FHJ, KF)?
 
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RU isn't getting some known HC...in the sense of what many on this board think is a top HC. If there is a regime change, it's going to be a HC from the MAC or some other off the radar conference. That is not necessarily a bad thing. RU isn't getting Lane Kiffen ...and I for one certainly would not want the guy. He would be out of here within 2-3 years....he would only take a mid - level HC job out of absolute desperation and would consider it a stepping stone until something more established opened.
 
Isn't Rutgers a dream job? Who wouldn't want this glamour job for a mere pittance? After all, we have a state government that doesn't want to fund ANYTHING (including academics), a local media that keeps looking for anything to pounce on, a national media that thinks we're a laughingstock, and a student body that's disinterested.

Good luck in getting a HIGH SCHOOL coach to sign up.
 
PJ Fleck would come here and do would Dembo. That being said, Barchi would probably want to interview Princeton's HC.
 
Don't see why it's important to be realistic on a message board. We're talking about whom we'd like to see, not necessarily the coach they're going to hire.

Again, it's a message board. That's kinda the point.
 
Ru2bnj said:
RU isn't getting some known HC...in the sense of what many on this board think is a top HC. If there is a regime change, it's going to be a HC from the MAC or some other off the radar conference. That is not necessarily a bad thing. RU isn't getting Lane Kiffen ...and I for one certainly would not want the guy. He would be out of here within 2-3 years....he would only take a mid - level HC job out of absolute desperation and would consider it a stepping stone until something more established opened.
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I'd be pissed if we even considered the clown....all hat..no cattle.
 
I have been wanting to create a thread along these lines, so I will just add to what you said if you don't mind.

The thing I keep on hearing is that "oh we will be able to play x amount for a coach" or "the donors were willing to donate x to get a coach". Thats not the problem that makes us cheap. Any coach that is worth his salt will want a commitment to the program. That commitment in the short term will mean we will probably have to add to the subsidy, not take away from it. You guys have to realize there is absolutely zero chance of that happening. Basically the coach is on their own, with no support, at least for the next 5 years. Any up and coming coach would never never agree to that. So what does that leave? Basically it leaves any coach that has serious baggage or has done so bad in this last job that there are no other options available. Or we can have a coach who has zero experience and no chance of anyone else wanting him.

That is why our only hope is Flood comes back and keeps us around .500 for the next few years. Even if you hate him, if you wait only 3-4 years we can come out of this in a position that we could promise a coach whatever he wants and end up with an elite coaching talent or at least the potential to be an elite coaching talent.
 
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seels2662 said:
I have been wanting to create a thread along these lines, so I will just add to what you said if you don't mind.

The thing I keep on hearing is that "oh we will be able to play x amount for a coach" or "the donors were willing to donate x to get a coach". Thats not the problem that makes us cheap. Any coach that is worth his salt will want a commitment to the program. That commitment in the short term will mean we will probably have to add to the subsidy, not take away from it. You guys have to realize there is absolutely zero chance of that happening. Basically the coach is on their own, with no support, at least for the next 5 years. Any up and coming coach would never never agree to that. So what does that leave? Basically it leaves any coach that has serious baggage or has done so bad in this last job that there are no other options available. Or we can have a coach who has zero experience and no chance of anyone else wanting him.

That is why our only hope is Flood comes back and keeps us around .500 for the next few years. Even if you hate him, if you wait only 3-4 years we can come out of this in a position that we could promise a coach whatever he wants and end up with an elite coaching talent or at least the potential to be an elite coaching talent.
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Impossible. The right coach can win here without that and that winning will lead to a pot of gold.
 
ruhudsonfan said:
Impossible. The right coach can win here without that and that winning will lead to a pot of gold.
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Sorry but I wholeheartedly disagree with you. Nobody will agree to what we will (not) offer him. Not when there are so many better options available. That includes Fleck by the way. Why would Fleck come here when he can wait a very short time for such a better opportunity?
 
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Sorry but I wholeheartedly disagree with you. Nobody will agree to what we will (not) offer him. Not when there are so many better options available. That includes Fleck by the way. Why would Fleck come here when he can wait a very short time for such a better opportunity?
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My post is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 % sarcastic

There is a thread entitled, "What would you want us to be" in which I argued your point for about 5 pages. lol
 
seels2662 said:
I have been wanting to create a thread along these lines, so I will just add to what you said if you don't mind.

The thing I keep on hearing is that "oh we will be able to play x amount for a coach" or "the donors were willing to donate x to get a coach". Thats not the problem that makes us cheap. Any coach that is worth his salt will want a commitment to the program. That commitment in the short term will mean we will probably have to add to the subsidy, not take away from it. You guys have to realize there is absolutely zero chance of that happening. Basically the coach is on their own, with no support, at least for the next 5 years. Any up and coming coach would never never agree to that. So what does that leave? Basically it leaves any coach that has serious baggage or has done so bad in this last job that there are no other options available. Or we can have a coach who has zero experience and no chance of anyone else wanting him.

That is why our only hope is Flood comes back and keeps us around .500 for the next few years. Even if you hate him, if you wait only 3-4 years we can come out of this in a position that we could promise a coach whatever he wants and end up with an elite coaching talent or at least the potential to be an elite coaching talent.
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I think you're being over dramatic and are buying into the headlines a little bit. The coach would be on their own for 5 years with no support? Get a grip.
 
seels2662 said:
Sorry but I wholeheartedly disagree with you. Nobody will agree to what we will (not) offer him. Not when there are so many better options available. That includes Fleck by the way. Why would Fleck come here when he can wait a very short time for such a better opportunity?
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Am I missing something why is Fleck's name thrown around these boards so much? I know he was an assistant here for a couple years but is he really the answer for Rutgers problems? He is ready to go head to head with Harbaugh and Meyer? I don't see it.
 
ArminRU said:
I think you're being over dramatic and are buying into the headlines a little bit. The coach would be on their own for 5 years with no support? Get a grip.
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I am certain that will happen. Look at the support RU gave the mens basketball team the last decade if you want to see an example.
 
ruhudsonfan said:
My post is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 % sarcastic

There is a thread entitled, "What would you want us to be" in which I argued your point for about 5 pages. lol
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Sorry, my sarcastic meter was turned off. :)
 
Our commitment to football pales in comparison to most P5 schools. Coaches will look for that commitment and not see it at Rutgers. We will have to catch lightning in a bottle with our next hire as the lack of funds continues. The administration has already gone on record stating that the reduction of the subsidy is their major goal. It can be done and a skilled AD should be able to recognize talent. That's where Julie has to earn her money and I'm willing to give her a shot at it. All this other crap about firing her over this or that is just bulls*t. If she gets this wrong than you have to wonder if she is the right AD for the job. If she gets it right everyone will be fully behind her, but you have to give her a chance first. I believe everyone deserves a chance even Rettig but our head coach doesn't believe in this philosophy for some reason.
 
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I see the next coach as a successful HC coming out of one of the middle 5 conferences who views Rutgers as a stepping stone to one of the elite big 5 conference jobs, as opposed to a retread trying to resurrect his career. I don't think this administration would want to take a chance on a retread with any baggage. They would want a cheap and baggage free HC who has had some success at a lower level.
 
A new name Justin Fuentes Memphis HC for 4 years, 10-3 in 2014 and 4-0 in 2015. Needed 2 years to turn the program around. Beat Cinn twice and in 2014 wins include BYU, CINN, CONN, SMU, South Florida, and Temple. Sounds like our old schedule with better results.

He already makes 1.4 million a year in the AAC.
 
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2 years ago Rutgers almost had Mullen. He's done pretty well since then.
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RU4Real said:
We had the Mullen Money. He had a specific budget requirement for his coaching staff, which we could not quite meet.
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We weren't close. We didn't have the $ for his staff or buyout & I'm still not sold we even had the $ for his salary, as our donors have never come up with that much $ & $1.5M/yr was the only firm commitment that was made.
 
Spare130 said:
In every conversation regarding who we may hire I Flood get canned, we have people dismissing candidates because of things like "he's not a great gameday coach" or "he doesn't have enough experience at the P5 level" and many other reasons. But the truth is we are talking about RUTGERS UNIVERSITY.

We all know how cheap our administration is going to be. They are not just going to get the best available coach. I feel like if Gary Schiano wanted to be back or if even Lane Kiffin said he was interested, how can we really not be happy with those names considering the cheap hires our athletic department has made in recent years (FHJ, KF)?
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With respect to Kiffin it has nothing to do with experience at the P5 level or game day abilities. He's a train wreck waiting to happen, and RU should stay as far away as possible.
 
mdk01 said:
With respect to Kiffin it has nothing to do with experience at the P5 level or game day abilities. He's a train wreck waiting to happen, and RU should stay as far away as possible.
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Kiffin sucks as HC. Total failure maybe as good as Flood.
 
Spare130 said:
In every conversation regarding who we may hire I Flood get canned, we have people dismissing candidates because of things like "he's not a great gameday coach" or "he doesn't have enough experience at the P5 level" and many other reasons. But the truth is we are talking about RUTGERS UNIVERSITY.

We all know how cheap our administration is going to be. They are not just going to get the best available coach. I feel like if Gary Schiano wanted to be back or if even Lane Kiffin said he was interested, how can we really not be happy with those names considering the cheap hires our athletic department has made in recent years (FHJ, KF)?
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Alright, this is an easy one. You want Schiano, good, then all we have
to do is hire Greg Robinson, because the only team he could beat one
year, was Gary Schiano's. :cool2:
 
rutgersdave said:
A new name Justin Fuentes Memphis HC for 4 years, 10-3 in 2014 and 4-0 in 2015. Needed 2 years to turn the program around. Beat Cinn twice and in 2014 wins include BYU, CINN, CONN, SMU, South Florida, and Temple. Sounds like our old schedule with better results.

He already makes 1.4 million a year in the AAC.
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Not a new name but a good name.
 
We can discuss a lot of the big names out there. Names like Schiano, Kiffin, Tressel, etc.... but Rutgers is in an interesting situation because of the scandals the past few years where they need to hire a coach that will appear bulletproof to the press from a PR perspective. Any coach with any public skeletons in his closet cannot be hired. This means if we are going to hire a coach we will look at guys who have the ability to be a FBS head coach, have squeaky clean pasts, and are within our budget.

We are more likely to hire a top coordinator with no head coaching experience or one of the current assistants.

If this ends up being a 4 win season they may clean house which means they will part ways with the entire Schiano / Flood coaching line meaning Schiano is not coming back and Robb Smith will not be under consideration.
 
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RUfinal4 said:
We can discuss a lot of the big names out there. Names like Schiano, Kiffin, Tressel, etc.... but Rutgers is in an interesting situation because of the scandals the past few years where they need to hire a coach that will appear bulletproof to the press from a PR perspective. Any coach with any public skeletons in his closet cannot be hired. This means if we are going to hire a coach we will look at guys who have the ability to be a FBS head coach, have squeaky clean pasts, and are within our budget.

We are more likely to hire a top coordinator with no head coaching experience or one of the current assistants.

If this ends up being a 4 win season they may clean house which means they will part ways with the entire Schiano / Flood coaching line meaning Schiano is not coming back and Robb Smith will not be under consideration.
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A squeaky clean past, oh yeah like our AD who was brought up on charges
of abuse by 11 volley ball players, or maybe the one who fired a coach because she
was pregnant, whom she didn't even remember she was her brides maid?
 
A coaching candidate can be a 1)successful P5 head coach, 2) successful head coach at a lower level, 3) a proven coordinator, or a combination of all three.

We seem to have a lot of people who claim that, since RU can't afford someone from group 1, we should keep the guy that had none of the qualifications listed when we promoted him.
 
I like the idea of a successful head coach at a lower level. There's no way we get a power 5 guy who does not have a negative reason that he is available to us and our budget.
 
Pritz99 said:
Isn't Rutgers a dream job? Who wouldn't want this glamour job for a mere pittance? After all, we have a state government that doesn't want to fund ANYTHING (including academics), a local media that keeps looking for anything to pounce on, a national media that thinks we're a laughingstock, and a student body that's disinterested.

Good luck in getting a HIGH SCHOOL coach to sign up.
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Who would want this job. Basically every P5 assistant would take it for less than what Schiano would want. Every non-P5 HC outside of guys like Bronco Mendenhall level guys would take it for less than what Schiano would want. There are probably several Schiano level coaches (i.e. guys who have a track record of some P5 success who are out of a job right now for whatever reason) who would take it for what Schiano makes.

Just for perspective - Gary Anderson, who was hired away from Wisconsin by OSU after a top 15 season got $2.25 million base salary. Thats what Shciano was making when he left 4 years ago. So yes - I think RU can and will pay up for someone with osmeting of a track record.

It wont be Nick Saban level, but I doubt it will be Kyle Flood level either. That was a unique circumstance.

People around here have basically no sense of reality on anything.
 
Have a hunch that a typical list of all of "the usual suspects" does not contain the name of the next HC.

Count on this being an ultra-critical tenure defining selection for Hermann. Assume for just a moment that Hermann is not a total blithering idiot who just sits in her office all day playing solitaire on her computer. Realistically, she has a network to tap into - as do some others on the RU side.

It would seem unlikely that an established "name" will be a fit - recognized coaching 'star' is too expensive & simply unobtainable
- a recognized name in real decline? - would smell like RU could not figure out a good answer & picked what was available ... UGH !...
- a recognized name in need of 'reputation rehab'? ... please ... just order the dumpsters & kerosene.... this simply is not a situation where the local media & 'fan' base will grant anyone enough time & patience to be able to earn 'redemption' ... plus there would be the suspicion from day one that the instant that 'redemption' was near - the moving van would pull up.

Really figure that there are some candidates that at this moment are not "high visibility " that have strong & rapidly developing credentials - and have shown real 'vision' skills and an ability to inspire to those immediately around them .... and a few of those around them will be within the RU extended network .
 
derleider said:
Who would want this job. Basically every P5 assistant would take it for less than what Schiano would want. Every non-P5 HC outside of guys like Bronco Mendenhall level guys would take it for less than what Schiano would want. There are probably several Schiano level coaches (i.e. guys who have a track record of some P5 success who are out of a job right now for whatever reason) who would take it for what Schiano makes.

Just for perspective - Gary Anderson, who was hired away from Wisconsin by OSU after a top 15 season got $2.25 million base salary. Thats what Shciano was making when he left 4 years ago. So yes - I think RU can and will pay up for someone with osmeting of a track record.

It wont be Nick Saban level, but I doubt it will be Kyle Flood level either. That was a unique circumstance.

People around here have basically no sense of reality on anything.
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The counterpoint to this, for those who may support Greg, is that none of them will settle into the job with an "until I retire" mentality.

Greg gave the NFL a shot and more or less failed.

He's doing TV now and is pretty good at it.

However, if he has an itch to coach, he is the ONLY candidate who could realistically sell the fan base that he is in it for the long haul.

This is a stepping stone job for nearly every one else, unless there is a paradigm shift from the administration.
 
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