We have to be realistic about our next HC

[rutgersguy1]

The counterpoint to this, for those who may support Greg, is that none of them will settle into the job with an "until I retire" mentality.

Greg gave the NFL a shot and more or less failed.

He's doing TV now and is pretty good at it.

However, if he has an itch to coach, he is the ONLY candidate who could realistically sell the fan base that he is in it for the long haul.

This is a stepping stone job for nearly every one else, unless there is a paradigm shift from the administration.

I don't have a problem with that. Most jobs are except for the elite and you never know what happens over time. Maybe a guy and his family fall in love with the area. I mean would you think Andersen would move from Wisconsin to Oregon State. I'm guessing he wanted to go back west. But really I'm not concerned with longevity, that's a bonus not a requirement. People job hop out in the "real world" too, coaching is no different.

The only thing is I'd try to put a decent buyout clause in for a guy to stick around 3-4 years but after that, it's fine. I'd try to avoid what Pitt had with Graham and then Chryst. I'd think they did have a buyout for Chryst with the one out being his alma mater. So even if you take some precautions, there's always a chance a guy could leave. If a guy leaves, it's likely he's went having left the place better than he found it in most circumstances. I think that's what you hope for as a fan and anything after that is icing on the cake.

 

[derleider]

The counterpoint to this, for those who may support Greg, is that none of them will settle into the job with an "until I retire" mentality.

Greg gave the NFL a shot and more or less failed.

He's doing TV now and is pretty good at it.

However, if he has an itch to coach, he is the ONLY candidate who could realistically sell the fan base that he is in it for the long haul.

This is a stepping stone job for nearly every one else, unless there is a paradigm shift from the administration.

I dont buy that he wouldnt move on. He already did once. There are no gaurentees - maybe he gets hot and the NFL calls again. Maybe he gets hot and Florida offers him tons of money that RU just cant match.

And if he doesnt get hot, and therefore no one wants him - well thats not exactly great for us either.

Every job in college is a stepping stone job now. Even the elite jobs are stepping stones for the NFL. Saban's name still comes up every single year for the NFL, despite him sucking in the NFL.

Sign guys with the expectations that they will leave if they do well, and put a big buyout in the contract to at least make them think twice.

 

[beaced]

In every conversation regarding who we may hire I Flood get canned, we have people dismissing candidates because of things like "he's not a great gameday coach" or "he doesn't have enough experience at the P5 level" and many other reasons. But the truth is we are talking about RUTGERS UNIVERSITY.

We all know how cheap our administration is going to be. They are not just going to get the best available coach. I feel like if Gary Schiano wanted to be back or if even Lane Kiffin said he was interested, how can we really not be happy with those names considering the cheap hires our athletic department has made in recent years (FHJ, KF)?

If realistic means having a coach who can produce consistently winning programs,then I agree .

 

[REDRICH65]

But, do you think they are already sending out confidential feelers? I do.

 

[RUhappy69]

In every conversation regarding who we may hire I Flood get canned, we have people dismissing candidates because of things like "he's not a great gameday coach" or "he doesn't have enough experience at the P5 level" and many other reasons. But the truth is we are talking about RUTGERS UNIVERSITY.

We all know how cheap our administration is going to be. They are not just going to get the best available coach. I feel like if Gary Schiano wanted to be back or if even Lane Kiffin said he was interested, how can we really not be happy with those names considering the cheap hires our athletic department has made in recent years (FHJ, KF)?

Giants DC Steve Spags.. Was a D coach at RU in 94. If Giants stink it up this year and Coughlin 'retires' he will be available and not have to move his family. If he wants it it would be his for the taking. Julie would need to get the donors in line for 3 mil a year I'd say.

 

[NickKnight 1]

Giants DC Steve Spags.. Was a D coach at RU in 94. If Giants stink it up this year and Coughlin 'retires' he will be available and not have to move his family. If he wants it it would be his for the taking. Julie would need to get the donors in line for 3 mil a year I'd say.

You do realize that the defense is playing much better than the last few
years? This is mosty on him, because he is not working with alot of talent.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

all wishful thinking - as I do not believe Flood gets fired

- we shall see - if the history of the past 30 + years in any way means anything - you may be right - Anderson, Shea , Graber regardless of how abysmal their records were - all got a full five years
... in fact, it would be hard to identify a Rutgers football coach who ever heard their boss come in and say "this simply is not acceptable - pack your things and leave"

 

[derleider]

- we shall see - if the history of the past 30 + years in any way means anything - you may be right - Anderson, Shea , Graber regardless of how abysmal their records were - all got a full five years
... in fact, it would be hard to identify a Rutgers football coach who ever heard their boss come in and say "this simply is not acceptable - pack your things and leave"

If history meant anything we would be playing in front of 15,000 people in a stadium built in the 1930s.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

If history meant anything we would be playing in front of 15,000 people in a stadium built in the 1930s.

of course ... and yes, things have changed ... but it is going to take all of the factors to be lined up in the right way to see Flood getting shown to the door - barring some other nauseating PR nightmare set of events, it is not at all impossible for Flood to be given one more time around .

 

[brgossRU90]

I don't get the obsession with the idea of getting a blockbuster coach. Almost nobody does that. Urban meyer to ohio state is the exception to the rule. Michigan state got d'antonio from cincinnati. Notre Dame got Kelly from cincinnati. Michigan got rich Rodriguez from west virginia, etc etc. Even well established big name programs with deep pockets usually get up and coming coaches from the lower ranks.

 

[Pritz99]

Lets see.....Rutgers as a stepping stone...... when was the last time a HC took a job up from Rutgers? Ever. (other than Schiano). Just the fact that someone thinks the Athletic Dept may not be sending out out feelers shows you how much faith we all have in the administration.

 

[SanFranRutgers]

We have to be realistic about our next HC

Yes. He's not going to be starting for at least a decade.

 

[RUBlackout]

Bgross--Michigan just hired Harbaugh. And to dispute that further college coaches move around all of the time. Bielema to Arkansas ring a bell?

 

[Harrell]

What has PJ Fleck ever accomplished?

Look him up.

 

[LotusAggressor]

I don't get the obsession with the idea of getting a blockbuster coach. Almost nobody does that. Urban meyer to ohio state is the exception to the rule. Michigan state got d'antonio from cincinnati. Notre Dame got Kelly from cincinnati. Michigan got rich Rodriguez from west virginia, etc etc. Even well established big name programs with deep pockets usually get up and coming coaches from the lower ranks.

Kelly and Rodriguez won a ton at Cincy and WVU. The program Rodriguez built at WVU was beating, and often destroying, teams from the SEC, ACC, and Big12 in BCS bowl games. Kelly and Rodriguez were significantly better than the coaches they replaced those schools. They weren't exactly lower level guys.

 

[NitNE73]

I'm just a guest on your board, so can only offer an outside perspective. If I wanted to build a program in the Big Ten, I would want a head coach who can really recruit. One doesn't have to be a Lombardi if one has the best talent. The best game day coach in the world can only do so much with limited talent. Get the best talent for a decade and you've built a major program. New Jersey has enough in-state talent already and RU has a larger footprint than just NJ.

 

[tuffer76]

While I appreciate the outside observation, the problem is that it is unrealistic to think that we're going to get a coach who can regularly outrecruit the major players in our division.

 

[VA_Lion]

Jay Paterno is available. He's got BiG experience, has done recruiting, and like it or not, mentored under one of the most successful on-field coaches of all time. He can't beg his way into a job, and you could get him on a dime. Sounds like mutual unfortunate circumstances would make you a perfect fit.

 

[Pritz99]

Tuffer, It's unrealistic to think we can consistently outrecruit Maier, D'antonio, PSU/Franklin, Michigan/Harbaugh at this point in our program. We're just not hiring a coach who can do that.(with our present resources/willingness). Nick Saban ain't comin' here.

What we can/must do is hire a guy who can recruit solidly, beat the big boys once in a while and build from there. Nit is right -- He doesn't HAVE to be a great game day coach. Just as he'll put together a staff with recruiting and coaching-up as priorities, those same coaches and coordinators will have input in game preparation and game=day decisions.

Demanding we hit a home run with the fences so far away is silly. Let's go for some doubles up the alley and the RBI's will come.

 

[RUaMoose]

Why has no one mentioned Rob Ryan ? Reel in the big fish !

 

[ArminRU]

PJ Fleck may need to be in the conversation. They played Michigan State very close today.

 

[rutgersguy1]

PJ Fleck may need to be in the conversation. They played Michigan State very close today.

He's the coach of Western Michigan who is playing OSU today. Central Michigan played Michigan State today. I know it gets confusing, lol. Western Michigan played Michigan State week 1 and they hung for bit though. Regardless I'm not a Fleck fan.

 

[ArminRU]

lol I was watching that game thinking Fleck was coaching. #fail