Our posters are a bunch of whiny bitches who don't want to give the new coach 2 years in "his" rebuild (he easily deserves four) just because we have sat through decades of various rebuilds.
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while others are focused on your 80% comment.... you're really talking BBall IQ. which we've lacked forever. (good news I think Baker has it)
Missouri went from trash to good in a year, and the #1 recruit isn't even playing for them. There's no reason for a basketball turnaround to take four years even here.
oh but there is..how long did it take for us to even get AC in the rac? we have been battling a decade (more) of intense failure. fred hill follows by rice (who imploded and all his players could leave at will amid intense scandal)...followed by one of the laziest recruiters in the world who was too good to be seen around nj HS's. Pikiell is trying to show spark early with guys who arent his players, recruit a few who really surprise (baker and eugene), and use that momentum to see a jumpstart in recruiting (working already with guys like shaq and mathis).
It is a slow build plan meant to breed success..that doesnt take less than four years. The only way that happens is if literally everything goes right. Obviously, after these two losses, there are expected bumps along the way while you transition the guys from the previous staff who couldnt shoot with guys who can create points like mathis, harper, kiss, shaq, baker AND while some of your gambles dont work out (souf, bullock) as you recruit over them as quickly as possible.
Mathis as a bench piece, LOL. Pass what you are smoking please.
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Some absolute insanity in this thread. If we can, we should sign pike to a 10 year extension right now with a huge buyout. What hes been able to do with very little talent is nothing short of a miracle. Sure we had 2 shit losses in a row but my god, the sky is not falling folks. Pike is the 2nd best hire RU has made in my lifetime other than Schiano who turned our football program into a football program and basically is the reason we were considered for the big ten imo
We have a winner for most ludicrous statement on this board today, by a lot. This is a stunningly ridiculous statement to anyone that has either a) watched the games with their own two eyes or b) just glanced at a stat sheet.
We now know what Baker's great deficiency is in your eyes since you also went out of your way to say that Sanders (who you have bashed endlessly), Freeman, and Williams are the top 3 players on the team. He was recruited by the present coach.
I played in HS and a bit in college and you're right. I'm in my fifties now and haven't shot a BB in over a year. Yet I could shoot at least 6-10 from the FT line cold. When I played I always shot at least 8-10 from the charity stripe and that was in the pressure of a game. For our kids to shoot 50% against Hartford and 42% against Stony Brook is beyond unacceptable. It's bad enough that we're a bad shooting team, but there is NO EXCUSE to shoot so poorly from the FT line. None.
We'll certainly find out soon enough. I love Freeman but he hasn't learned a damn thing under the basket when he plays against taller competition, which is practically always. He thinks he can muscle them or out maneuver them and gets stuffed. I thought he learned his lesson last year, and started taking more 8 foot jump shots. But I was wrong and that's why he misses so many chippies under the basket. He refuses to understand his limitations against taller opponents when he has a great 8-12 foot jump shot.
Shack you hit on the proverbial big "if" regarding 20 wins. What we are all seeing is potential, but we don't have good enough players that when one of them who can shoot from the outside suddenly goes cold can someone else can pick up the slack? Corey and Freeman need to elevate their games from now on. Those two have been inconsistent. I penciled in 18 possible wins. Now, who knows. We may be lucky to get 15 which means we fail once again to have a winning season. I hope I'm wrong. But these last two head scratching losses against inferior opponents really has me concerned going into B1G play.
Freeman isn't awful, but he still hasn't learned his lesson under the basket. When he players taller and longer opponents, he still thinks he can muscle or out maneuver them under the basket and is constantly getting stuffed. He has a very good pull up jumper between 8-12 feet. He needs to do that more, but I'm afraid he doesn't do that enough and that's why he misses so many chippies under the basket because he thinks he's 6'11' when he's barely 6'7'.
Humor us though. Back up your statement. What are the things that you think Mike does better than Geo in your words "BY A LOT"?
Go:
- Free Throw Shooting
- Two Point Shooting
- Three Point Shooting
- Finishing
- Playmaking / Passing
- Ball Handling
- Rebounding (Defense)
- Rebounding (Offense)
- Shot Blocking
- Man-to-Man Defending
- Perimeter Defending
- Help Defending
- Pressure/Clutch Playing
- Intangibles of your choice
Baker is one of the top freshmen in the big ten. Williams is a guy. With the impact he is making, we will be happy when we have mathis instead of williams. I bet you were one of the guys who cried about nigel leaving even though baker has already been a massive upgrade over him.
Its like you watch another team out there.
bottom line is they are different players. I am biased towards defensive oriented players. When we win almost always Mike is in the middle of it. i think he has intangilbles. there is no doubt that Geo is more skilled. They both should be on the floor in crunch time.
If you have been following what I have been saying the last 10 years about Rutgers basketball people disagree with what i say about our players initially and then they say exactly what i say when they are junior and seniors (sorry about sounding like our president). geo is a nice player and has a fit on a winning team, just not as a 30+ MPG guy
Not sure why people cant judge Ducoure, thaim, Baker with the same lens as sanders, Freeman or Williams.
The question was not whether they should both be on the floor at crunch time, presumably at the expense of someone else like Thiam, you said Williams was better than Baker by A LOT. So you think Williams is a much better defender than the much bigger Baker by so much that it offsets any superior offensive skill Baker possesses. Frankly, I'm tired of tiny guards trying to defend Big Ten perimeter players and Williams is not a superior defensive player. You are on island on this one and I think even you realize there is no backing up that hot take.
i still need to see more out of Geo. We have played 4 games against real competition. in a month or 2 I'll get a better read on where he is defensively and what kind of looks he makes, gets and takes. I agree 6'4'' guards are very nice. i think he can be very effective with his mid range. Unfortunately he is a lot like sanders in that he needs the ball in his hands to score. We need more williams that can catch and shoot quickly, but we need him to make them at a higher rate. there is enough of a sample size to conclude he isnt an accurate shooter.
I don't know, maybe because Doucoure and Baker are true freshmen, Thiam a sophomore while Freeman is in his 5th year of college, Williams his 4th, and Sanders his 3rd? You've already written off Doucoure apparently and your denigrating of Baker is just downright bizarre. Thiam has not carried his weight so far but I would expect Kiss to steal a lot of his minutes next year if doesn't take a big step forward before next October so he's not my biggest concern.
I haven't completely written him off, but i haven't been impressed. If he were bigger and more athletic I'd feel better about a high ceiling.
I like Baker a lot, but I like him with a lot of improvement or as my 1st guard coming off the bench. On this team he has to play 30 minutes even though i don't think he is ready for it.
as for Thaim....we all knew what he needed to fix in the offseason and he didn't.
I like Baker a lot, but I like him with a lot of improvement or as my 1st guard coming off the bench. On this team he has to play 30 minutes even though i don't think he is ready for it.
as for Thaim....we all knew what he needed to fix in the offseason and he didn't.
He does lead all freshman in the Big Ten in both scoring and assists as of yesterday afternoon.
Baker is better than Williams, I'm certainly not going to argue that. He will not take the next step, however, until he fixes his outside shot. 32% from the perimeter isn't going to cut it.
I was at a basketball event right after the Pike
hire. He was asked how long to get to the NCAA tourney. His answer was two seasons.
He obviously didn’t understand that this was Rutgers. After all these years I am starting to believe it’s an insurmountable task.
Did someone really say that Williams is better than Baker? I like Williams but man, no comparison between the two.
