What happened to muller?

[Ole Cabbagehead]

I disagree, Muller has done everything right, and I do mean everything, except play well in games.

And no, a redshirt Senior Captain playing the easiest position on the O-line cannot get beat on an inside rip.

Muller should be playing Center.

Just wow. It takes a special person to post something like this after the player's mom has made an appearance in the thread. Totally classless. Do you really think so highly of your opinion that you couldn't leave it alone?

I think its gonna be time for another "break" for you soon.

 

[rubaseball78]

Muller does everything, and I mean everything right except perform well in games.

RG is the easiest position on the line.

A 5th year senior struggling at RG is almost unheard of.

and yet, Muller has been remarkably consistent. He was the lowest graded lineman last year.

I blame the coaching staff. Had they simply looked at the tape it was pretty obvious.

and it's worse, because Coach Ash made him a captain. You can't bench a captain.

this is a mess.

Didn't he send him to the bench on Saturday?

 

[GSGS]

Do I know you? I'm not exactly sure why you think you know what Chris or I think. Chris didn't want to go to Penn State mostly because he didn't like the coaches. Chris played RG in high school and was willing to play whatever position the coaches put him.
Yes, he had a bad game as did the rest of the OL who had 3 sacks and 3 penalties. If you want to comment on his play, feel free but don't ever speak of me or my son otherwise.

dnmuller - you would be advised to realize that anything that mktman says is simply sour grapes from a Pedd State fan who can't fathom the thought that a PA kid picked RU over his beloved Nit Wits.

 

[rufeelinit]

Probably not fair to single out muller because he got pulled when the entire line did not live up to its pregame billing. AJ needs to get a better perform at out of the whole group.

 

[yesrutgers01]

A lot of jerk offs in this thread. I just watched that quick clip someone posted trying to compare to Forst. First thing I "think" I see is a bad read and possibly mis-communication. It really looked like Muller was expecting some help from Nelson and he never got it. It is no excuse for any particular player because the entire OL had a tough time and to be honest, I said "I Think" because that is the one thing I have learned over the years and after reviewing hundreds of plays in slow motion with and OL breaking down plays...If you don't know who had what responsibility, your eyes can deceive you.
Muller has been a class act from day one. He has been a solid contributor. I am sure he is more unhappy of his play then anyone of us are. But to be as classless as some of you are, grow up. Yes, feel free to discuss him having a poor game, that is what we do here, but keep it at that.

 

[garyrc70]

Let's not forget that he and his fellow OL recruits from that recruiting class were considered the 4th best OL class ...so much for rankings!!!! That group has had very few good performances against ranked competition...

 

[RM60]

I spent some time last night watching the first half and in particular reviewing the offensive issues. No doubt Muller was struggling often, though he was not alone in that regard among the offensive linemen. Must add though that he didn't get any help from ANY of the backs behind him, or from Laviano, who appeared to miss read some running opportunities. In this offense, the QB MUST pull the ball out and run when it's there. Otherwise there's not much to defending it. To me, Goodwin and Hicks also looked lost though Hicks ran hard. But he wasn't feeling space. (We need Martin big time).

Bottom line: this whole business of finger pointing at one player after a 35 point loss to one of the top teams in the country is garbage. As a team, we weren't ready for UW. Let's move on and see how Ash gets this team better.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

A lot of people embarrassing themselves in this thread.

 

[yesrutgers01]

I disagree, Muller has done everything right, and I do mean everything, except play well in games.

And no, a redshirt Senior Captain playing the easiest position on the O-line cannot get beat on an inside rip.

Muller should be playing Center.

I'm still waiting on you posting last year's OL grades. Thanks
I'm also pretty sure the so called easiest position on the OL is harder than what you do on a regular basis. You are either a ban worthy troll or about as ignorant as an ant when it comes to "playing" football rather than playing madden.

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

I'm still waiting on you posting last year's OL grades. Thanks
I'm also pretty sure the so called easiest position on the OL is harder than what you do on a regular basis. You are either a ban worthy troll or about as ignorant as an ant when it comes to "playing" football rather than playing madden.

Not to be rude, but clearly you don't know football. . . let's leave it at that.

 

[hiwater]

Muller and Applefield each gave up a sack. Hicks would have given up a sack if not for the defensive holding penalty.

I didn't notice Muller playing poorly when I watched the game again today.

He got bull rushed and knocked backward on his ass. The announcers highlighted it when they replayed it. It looked real bad on TV. The UW DT went right over him. He barely slowed the DT down on way to a sack. Muller got replaced after that.

He got caught with his feet together while he was backing up and being hit. Anyone would have gone down in that circumstance. He did not practice full contact most of the summer camp so he probably is missing a little on the feel of the game.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Not to be rude, but clearly you don't know football. . . let's leave it at that.

Sometimes my opinion my not be right or different then someone else's and I'm man enough to argue, discuss and admit if I am wrong...but I do know football and I am going to take a wild guess and bet I understand OL play at this level far better then you do.
Regardless, I am happy you do not want to be rude to me. I quite honestly have no problem being rude to you and the other class act in this thread who spoke crap about a player's mother.

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

Sometimes my opinion my not be right or different then someone else's and I'm man enough to argue, discuss and admit if I am wrong...but I do know football and I am going to take a wild guess and bet I understand OL play at this level far better then you do.
Regardless, I am happy you do not want to be rude to me. I quite honestly have no problem being rude to you and the other class act in this thread who spoke crap about a player's mother.

You don't offer much by way of analysis. In fact, all you've got is a little sanctimony, hand rubbing, and snark.

Look I get it. "You mad, Bro". . . because I'm correct.

Better get used to it.

 

[yesrutgers01]

In this game, I cant offer much by way of analysis. I made it clear in my first post that I have not seen the game. But, that does not mean I do not recognize a classless poster when I see one.
There are quite a few guys in this thread who have been able to discuss how bad of a game a number of OL had but they did it in a completely different way then you and the other guy did.

And most of the time when I get into battles on here it is based on opinion discussions not analysis. When I do offer analysis, even those that may not like me on here, do appreciate what I bring to the table.

 

[rucoe89]

Not to be rude, but clearly you don't know football. . . let's leave it at that.

And with that post you clearly show how clueless you are.

 

[ho26rus]

ECI
I am just curious as to your background and your experience playing division one football. Or any position , at all, in organized sports, You seem to take great pains in congratulating yourself on analysis then the attacks on all who do not genuflect to your greater wisdom. I would offer an opinion that playing on a 5 man line with a tight end lined up against 4 very large people, with 3 linebackers funning downhill because they know the play you are running and a safety filling anything else does not offer any position to be relatively easy.

I assume, until you prove otherwise, that you have not the slightest clue as to what these guys experience

Since i do not wish to face the unenviable task of having to talk to you my part in the conversation is over
But if you can attest to your, purported, athletic prowess I will , in advance, apologize for doubting your experience and wisdom

Its your turn now

 

[DJ Spanky]

Okay, I haven't read through all the comments in the thread, but I did look up the guy who was beating him.

#50, Vita Vea, 6'5", 332lbs, redshirt sophomore who delayed entering college for a year, which puts him around 22.

His Bio

And from those videos he looked extremely agile - that is one tough package to handle.

 

[Plum Street]

This is a very sad thread . When the kid's mom comes in here to defend him , it's time to show some respect and stop criticizing the guy or at least let the thread die . These players are not professionals. And yes I know I have made my fair share of idiotic posts on this board

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

This is a very sad thread . When the kid's mom comes in here to defend him , it's time to show some respect and stop criticizing the guy or at least let the thread die . These players are not professionals. And yes I know I have made my fair share of idiotic posts on this board

These are Grown Ass Men.

Criticism comes with the territory.

Welcome to the B10.

 

[yesrutgers01]

These are Grown Ass Men.

Criticism comes with the territory.

Welcome to the B10.

There are ways to criticize and ways not to do it. A couple of you crossed the line. A rule of thumb that most of this board takes to help determine where that line is...could you look that player or mom in the eye and say exactly what you are posting here. If not, then you crossed the line.

 

[koleszar]

Now Muller did get blown up, so did Applefield by the same guy. With that said, I must say Nelson needs to recognize the alpha D lineman and provide help at that point. He does well at looking for inside LB blitz, then blind side, but needs to recognize quicker where help is needed. Miller had the beta interior lineman and was fine on his own, but Nelson continued to provide help to him. Not a knock on Muller, sometimes the guy across from you is just better.

I must say I'm always very critical(maybe a little too much) of the center position as I played it for 12yrs starting in the 5th grade. In a 4 man front your responsibility on pass plays is to check for inside LB blitz, then back side blitz, then help out where necessary which is usually their best D tackle. But it does change throughout the game as you find who is having a tough go of it. But you should always hit somebody, not just stand there back peddling with your head on a swivel. Used to get my ass chewed out when I did that. O and that snap he had over the QB's head, I had quite a few of those and it's just an awful feeling.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Now Muller did get blown up, so did Applefield by the same guy. With that said, I must say Nelson needs to recognize the alpha D lineman and provide help at that point. He does well at looking for inside LB blitz, then blind side, but needs to recognize quicker where help is needed. Miller had the beta interior lineman and was fine on his own, but Nelson continued to provide help to him.

I must say I'm always very critical(maybe a little too much) of the center position as I played it for 12yrs starting in the 5th grade. In a 4 man front your responsibility on pass plays is to check for inside LB blitz, then back side blitz, then help out where necessary which is usually their best D tackle. But it does change throughout the game as you find who is having a tough go of it. But you should always hit somebody, not just stand there back peddling with your head on a swivel. Used to get my ass chewed out when I did that. O and that snap he had over the QB's head, I had quite a few of those and it's just an awful feeling.

The clip that was shown earlier in the thread is what I assume you are talking about. Results of that play would have been 100% different if Nelson picked it up.It is one of the things I miss being able to break down each assignment after a game and having Kevin go through it in detail.

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

Now Muller did get blown up, so did Applefield by the same guy. With that said, I must say Nelson needs to recognize the alpha D lineman and provide help at that point. He does well at looking for inside LB blitz, then blind side, but needs to recognize quicker where help is needed. Miller had the beta interior lineman and was fine on his own, but Nelson continued to provide help to him.

I must say I'm always very critical(maybe a little too much) of the center position as I played it for 12yrs starting in the 5th grade. In a 4 man front your responsibility on pass plays is to check for inside LB blitz, then back side blitz, then help out where necessary which is usually their best D tackle. But it does change throughout the game as you find who is having a tough go of it. But you should always hit somebody, not just stand there back peddling with your head on a swivel. Used to get my ass chewed out when I did that. O and that snap he had over the QB's head, I had quite a few of those and it's just an awful feeling.

Yes, I too, am critical of Nelson. . . can't know what's in a guys heart, but it almost looked like, Nelson didn't want to help Muller.

and this is the problem with the O-line. . . you've got two redshirt Senior Captains, getting tossed like True Frosh.

when I graded the lineman, I gave. . . wait for it, "Cole" the highest grade. . . and he's a first time starter in his first game.

I was mostly annoyed because we've seen this problem with Nelson and Muller, because this is exactly what they did last year.

so I'm disappointed in Blaze, because he should have been all over this from the door.

and as a coaching staff, it's your job to not only put your players in a position to succeed, but to also keep them out of harms way.

PSU destroyed us up the middle two years in a row, same goes for tOSU, etc. . .

 

[csphi]

The clip that was shown earlier in the thread is what I assume you are talking about. Results of that play would have been 100% different if Nelson picked it up.It is one of the things I miss being able to break down each assignment after a game and having Kevin go through it in detail.

But according to a certain poster you know nothing about line play...HAAA

Notice how your original question was never answered

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

But according to a certain poster you know nothing about line play...HAAA

Notice how your original question was never answered

This isn't a dating site. . . just know that I'm better at life than you.

 

[csphi]

This isn't a dating sight. . . just know that I'm better at life than you.

What is do know is that your classless s&um

 

[chase07470]

This isn't a dating site. . . just know that I'm better at life than you.

Better at life? With the stench of pompous, narcissism emanating from your every pour? Impossible. You're hated and your personality disorder(s) doesn't allow you to even realize it. I feel sorry for you.

 

[rutgersal]

This isn't a dating site. . . just know that I'm better at life than you.

We're all impressed.

 

[koleszar]

The clip that was shown earlier in the thread is what I assume you are talking about. Results of that play would have been 100% different if Nelson picked it up.It is one of the things I miss being able to break down each assignment after a game and having Kevin go through it in detail.

Yes it is and several I saw through the game.(I know who watches the OL, I do it's a point of interest most only see them when they screw up) It's always tough to tell the assignments during run blocking as you really don't know their scheme(usually centers have backside LB in 4 man front or help on backside DT)., but in pass pro it's easier. Especially knowing the center position.

In a 4 man front your like a man without a home. No one over top of you, so you have several keys to look for and you have to do them fast. But after he saw no one coming, my next immediate assignment IMO would have been to knock the snot out of the Hawaiian kid while he was engaged with Muller. Give him something to think about so next time he's looking over his shoulder.The kid was simply quick, strong and had a low center of gravity. He was basically an O lineman's worst nightmare.

 

[yesrutgers01]

This isn't a dating site. . . just know that I'm better at life than you.

Not knowing your life or how satisfied you are with it, I am glad you are enjoying yours.

I can say that my life has been pretty damn special.And that is outside of football, when it comes to football, it has been magical.

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

We're all impressed.

Really, Eh Tu, lol. . .

 

[yesrutgers01]

Yes it is and several I saw through the game.(I know who watches the OL, I do it's a point of interest most only see them when they screw up) It's always tough to tell the assignments during run blocking as you really don't know their scheme(usually centers have backside LB in 4 man front or help on backside DT)., but in pass pro it's easier. Especially knowing the center position.

In a 4 man front your like a man without a home. No one over top of you, so you have several keys to look for and you have to do them fast. But after he saw no one coming, my next immediate assignment IMO would have been to knock the snot out of the Hawaiian kid while he was engaged with Muller. Give him something to think about so next time he's looking over his shoulder.The kid was simply quick, strong and had a low center of gravity. He was basically an O lineman's worst nightmare.

I believe it was an interview that KEvin did with John O a few years back when he said this of the OL. Getting bigger and stronger is easy, knowing what to do when you are 5 guys lined up and there are eight coming...

 

[yesrutgers01]

I think this thread needs my OL Sucks convo again...I actually don't remember if this convo took place in 2008 or 2009...And of course, I took some liberty with it but you get the general idea and some of the fun these guys have.
Pretty much some ball busting between the OL during dinner one evening

Has "Yo Ant, I was just reading that message board thinks we suck”

AD “No Has, they said you suck, they thought I was great. Haha”

Has “Ant, you are just lucky your guy really sucked more then you did, he made you look good but you know that you really did suck”

AD “good thing none of them realize that. I’m glad I didn’t have your guy or they would say I suck”

Howie “BS Anthony, they never think you suck”

Has/AD “Shut up, you don’t even play”

Art “did they say anything about me?”

Has “No, but you really did suck”

Art “ yeah, I did”

All "hahaha"

Blaze walks in: "What's up guys?"

Has "message board says OL sucks"

Blaze"You guys, yeah. Me? I don't suck"

Blaze grabbing food off their plates "who cares? Let's eat"

 

[ho26rus]

Yes, I too, am critical of Nelson. . . can't know what's in a guys heart, but it almost looked like, Nelson didn't want to help Muller.

and this is the problem with the O-line. . . you've got two redshirt Senior Captains, getting tossed like True Frosh.

when I graded the lineman, I gave. . . wait for it, "Cole" the highest grade. . . and he's a first time starter in his first game.

I was mostly annoyed because we've seen this problem with Nelson and Muller, because this is exactly what they did last year.

so I'm disappointed in Blaze, because he should have been all over this from the door.

and as a coaching staff, it's your job to not only put your players in a position to succeed, but to also keep them out of harms way.

PSU destroyed us up the middle two years in a row, same goes for tOSU, etc. . .

If you wish you can tweet him @coachblaz As I am certain he waiting, on pins and needles, to hear where you feel his inadequacies lie. Perhaps even have a drink together. You can choose the venue as I am certain your life experience outdistances us mortals for a successful choice.

you could then critique the bartender, chef, maitre d and from past experience any innocent bystander in the club

You are right it surely seems like a very full life you lead

 

[RUbarb Pi]

He got bull rushed and knocked backward on his ass. The announcers highlighted it when they replayed it. It looked real bad on TV. The UW DT went right over him. He barely slowed the DT down on way to a sack. Muller got replaced after that.

He got caught with his feet together while he was backing up and being hit. Anyone would have gone down in that circumstance. He did not practice full contact most of the summer camp so he probably is missing a little on the feel of the game.

Good post! Looking at the film clip, it does look like footwork caused the problem and that can be fixed.

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

If you wish you can tweet him @coachblaz As I am certain he waiting, on pins and needles, to hear where you feel his inadequacies lie. Perhaps even have a drink together. You can choose the venue as I am certain your life experience outdistances us mortals for a successful choice.

you could then critique the bartender, chef, maitre d and from past experience any innocent bystander in the club

You are right it surely seems like a very full life you lead

Huh. . . What is this drivel, lol.

Blaze should be livid with Nelson, for not helping Muller.

Either way, you can't have Redshirt Seniors getting mauled. And that's exactly what we saw. A Team that was unprepared, and unable to make adjustments.

that falls on the Coaching Staff. . .so I doubt that Coach Blaze has time to meet me at Mr. Chow's.

 

[RutgHoops]

Really, Eh Tu, lol. . .

Eh Tu? WTF is "Eh Tu"? Did you mean Et Tu? Like from Julius Caesar?

In this glorious life should I assume learning is for suckers?

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

Eh Tu? WTF is "Eh Tu"? Did you mean Et Tu? Like from Julius Caesar?

In this glorious life should I assume learning is for suckers?

There's a meme with a baby smoking a cigarette and a bottle of Jim Beam. . . nevermind.

Learning is for suckers, lol. . . Yup, that's what she said.

 

[koleszar]

Yes, I too, am critical of Nelson. . . can't know what's in a guys heart, but it almost looked like, Nelson didn't want to help Muller.

and this is the problem with the O-line. . . you've got two redshirt Senior Captains, getting tossed like True Frosh.

when I graded the lineman, I gave. . . wait for it, "Cole" the highest grade. . . and he's a first time starter in his first game.

I was mostly annoyed because we've seen this problem with Nelson and Muller, because this is exactly what they did last year.

so I'm disappointed in Blaze, because he should have been all over this from the door.

and as a coaching staff, it's your job to not only put your players in a position to succeed, but to also keep them out of harms way.

PSU destroyed us up the middle two years in a row, same goes for tOSU, etc. . .

I wouldn't be too critical yet, that was a really good interior D line that Washington had. They were not only strong, but were quick and used their low center of gravity very well. Plus this is a new offensive scheme and blocking scheme which they are installing. O line is more about having 5 guys all on the same page all the time. They know each other and know the scheme inside and out there's no thinking. Any hesitation and the game is lost, for these guys the O is not 2nd nature right now.

Really the familiarity with an offense is done your freshman year, but this year everyone is new to it. I never went through a situation like this. When you were a freshman you asked the guys ahead of you what is going on. Here all they have is the coaches. That's got to be tough learning something one way for 3 to 4 years and having to learn an entirely different scheme.

When things are cliquing the alpha D lineman is quickly identified and help is immediate neutralizing the threat. When it's not that small hesitation allows potential threats to get the inside shoulder, then it just a cowboy ride into the QB. I wouldn't put too much stock into this one game, I'm sure they're not fully comfortable yet in the new O schemes, that only comes with playing in live action and years of repetition.

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

I wouldn't be too critical yet, that was a really good interior D line that Washington had. They were not only strong, but were quick and used their low center of gravity very well. Plus this is a new offensive scheme and blocking scheme which they are installing. O line is more about having 5 guys all on the same page all the time. They know each other and know the scheme inside and out there's no thinking. Any hesitation and the game is lost, for these guys the O is not 2nd nature right now.

Really the familiarity with an offense is done your freshman year, but this year everyone is new to it. I never went through a situation like this. When you were a freshman you asked the guys ahead of you what is going on. Here all they have is the coaches. That's got to be tough learning something one way for 3 to 4 years and having to learn an entirely different scheme.

When things are cliquing the alpha D lineman is quickly identified and help is immediate neutralizing the threat. When it's not that small hesitation allows potential threats to get the inside shoulder, then it just a cowboy ride into the QB. I wouldn't put too much stock into this one game, I'm sure they're not fully comfortable yet in the new O schemes, that only comes with playing in live action.

You win some, you lose some, but you battle every play.

Strahan was a far better athlete than Runyan, but every play, Runyan went out there to kick Strahan's rear.

I didn't see a Blue Collar mentality among the Offensive lineman, and I blame the Redshirt Seniors for not setting that tone.

you won't win them all, but you battle very play.

I didn't see that on Saturday.