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What is New OC/QB Coach Drew Mehringer Worth???

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He made 116K at Houston Last Year as a WR coach. As our OC/QB coach, he is going to see a significant bump with significantly increased responsibility. I would imagine that at most, they'd double his salary to 232K.
Don't know if there is a financial justification to pay more than that.

This is a high risk, high reward hire due to his lack of experience It will either be a spectacular success or a crash and burn. If you're going to take a chance like this, might as well do it in year 1. Off course, there is a possibility that he might be complemented by a more experienced running game coordinator. Fans will be watching with interest.
 
Should be around what Lincoln Riley made when ECU hired him as OC after he was the receivers coach at Texas Tech, or what Kliff Kingsbury made when Houston promoted him to OC after one year as an assistant, or what Seth Littrell made when Arizona promoted him to OC after four years as a position coach.
 
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Can he really negotiate, though? What other offer did he have to be OC and QB coach? I would think he would be paid fairly and appropriately, though.
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When Herman got his increase from $1.3M to $3.0M he also got an big increase for his staff. Mehringer could have stayed and made $200K as receiver coach.
 
This is silly. McDaniels was making $400k as OC so I expect Mehringer to be in that range.
 
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I've said this before but I think 350K give or take. Meacham got that much when TCU hired him. I'm guessing Cumbie might have been the same. They've both got bumps since. Frost was also in the 350K range before getting a bump last year to 400K range. Aranda made less than 500K when he first got to Wisconsin and got bumped to 500K recently. If he does well you can always bump his salary but I wouldn't pay him a lot more than 350K..400K should be the top of the range. Lincoln Riley signed at 2yr contract with OU for 500K per year and that was after a nice track record at ECU.
 
Just to keep even with what he made at Houston given the cost of living and tax differences they'd have to pay him $150k. I think the MINIMUM has to be $300k if he's moving up to OC
 
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I've said this before but I think 350K give or take. Meacham got that much when TCU hired him. I'm guessing Cumbie might have been the same. They've both got bumps since. Frost was also in the 350K range before getting a bump last year to 400K range. Aranda made less than 500K when he first got to Wisconsin and got bumped to 500K recently. If he does well you can always bump his salary but I wouldn't pay him a lot more than 350K..400K should be the top of the range. Lincoln Riley signed at 2yr contract with OU for 500K per year and that was after a nice track record at ECU.
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Meacham, Riley, and Frost had more experience.

Here's Meachams resume:
1989–1991 Oklahoma State (GA/OL/LB)
1991–1996 Georgia Military (OC/OL)
1997–1999 Jacksonville St. (OC/OL)
1999–2000 Henderson St. (OC/OL)
2002–2004 Samford (OC/OL)
2005–2012 Oklahoma St. (TE/IWR)
2013 Houston (OC/QB)
2014– TCU (Co-OC/IWR)

Here's Lincoln Rileys resume

2006 Texas Tech (Assistant)
2007 Texas Tech (WR)
2008–2009 Texas Tech (IWR)
2010–2013 East Carolina (OC/QB)
2014 East Carolina (AHC/OC/QB)
2015–present Oklahoma (OC/QB)

Here's Cumbie's resume

2011-2012 Texas Tech (IWR)
2013 Texas Tech (Co-OC)
2014-present TCU (Co-OC/QB)

So it would seem that Sonny Cumbies resume would be the closest match, and it is believed he was paid somewhere in the neighborhood of $250K - $300K in 2014.

$350K give or take, is probably a good estimate.
 
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He will get paid market rate. Ash didn't hire him because he could get him cheap, he hired him because he is considered a stud coach with a ridiculous future.
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he will be paid less than market rate because he doesn't have the market level of experience. Mike Locksley last year made $891K, Tim Drevno made 880K. Tim Beck made $525K for example.

So its fair to ask the question what is the right amount of compensation for him.
 
The school should pay them whatever they have to pay them to get them here. The important thing from a fan's point of view will be what the school does if they are successful. If Rutgers wants to compete, you have to do what it takes to keep these guys on staff for as long as you can if they start winning.
 
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he will be paid less than market rate because he doesn't have the market level of experience. Mike Locksley last year made $891K, Tim Drevno made 880K. Tim Beck made $525K for example.

So its fair to ask the question what is the right amount of compensation for him.
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I don't think you know what market rate means. For example, fat hookers make less than hot ones. Both are hookers both don't have the same earning power.
 
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This is how we got in trouble last time. We are trying to pay less and less than the previously coach. When Schiano left with his $2 million salary, we replaced him with the cheap OL coach Kyle Flood at $600k the lowest in the Big Ten. When we had to replace him, it was trouble since we couldn't find a qualified Head Coach for less than a million.
 
rutgersal said:
Can he really negotiate, though? What other offer did he have to be OC and QB coach? I would think he would be paid fairly and appropriately, though.
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The fact that Houston increased the amount that they were allowing to be spent on assistants by $2 million per year made it likely that he would have had a healthy bump if he stayed in Houston. That gives him room to negotiate. Plus, if you want to bring in other experienced assistants to be under him, you will have to pay similar or more than what we were already paying assistants last year. Almost all of them made more than $200k per year.

You can't have him making less than or even in the same general area of the money that his subordinates make. If he is only getting around $230k per year, we are in trouble with what we are going to be able to bring in as offensive assistants.
 
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I don't think you know what market rate means. For example, fat hookers make less than hot ones. Both are hookers both don't have the same earning power.
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Are you speaking from experience? :sunglasses:

Sorry, you walked into that left hook.
 
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I don't think you know what market rate means. For example, fat hookers make less than hot ones. Both are hookers both don't have the same earning power.
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Best post of the day
 
vkj91 said:
I don't think you know what market rate means. For example, fat hookers make less than hot ones. Both are hookers both don't have the same earning power.
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It is you, who doesn't know what market rate means.

Fat Hookers make less than hot ones because the demand for hot hookers is greater than the demand for Fat Hookers. this moves the demand curve to the right and ultimately raises the price, or wage rate, illustrated by the graph below.

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Furthermore, you know what you're getting from a hooker, a bj is a bj, a lay is a lay. and that service gets performed right away. Finally, experience isn't really going to affect the price one pays for a bj or a lay.

thats why the market for hookers is distinctly different than the market for OC/QB coaches.
Mehringers, ultimate productivity is going to be judged a year from now, So his value today, is largely speculative. Unlike a hooker, we don't quite know how productive Mehringer might be. If the performance of his offense outstrips expectations, his salary will be adjusted accordingly.

the demand for Mehringer, is limited to one school, Rutgers, because no one else was willing to make Mehringer QB/OC. this is different from the thousands of johns who love hot hookers.

Thus Rutgers ultimately chooses the price they want to pay Mehringer just as they did Kyle Flood in year 1. It is Rutgers' perception of his value that determine his wage. Presumably, Chris Ash worked with the Athletics CFO to determine fair value. It is that value im very interested in knowing, because I find it fascinating.
 
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Limited OC experience so can not expect full OC salary.
 
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Should we really be talking about coaches and hookers in the same thread?

BTW - who calls them "hookers" anymore? The term is "escorts," thank you! [banana]
 
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You don't hold a guy with a high ceiling hostage for a low ball contract if you have any hope of retaining him if he produces like you think he will. You pay him a solid OC rate with experience. Then you pray after his success, your pitch at the negotiation table centered around how you showed confidence in before anyone else did, convinces him to accept a large pay raise and stay on the banks and turn good to great.
 
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You don't hold a guy with a high ceiling hostage for a low ball contract if you have any hope of retaining him if he produces like you think he will. You pay him a solid OC rate with experience. Then you pray after his success, your pitch at the negotiation table centered around how you showed confidence in before anyone else did, convinces him to accept a large pay raise and stay on the banks and turn good to great.
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its not about low balling. its about how do you determine whats fair? what does a solid OC rate with experience mean? any wage has to reflect his lack of experience, but at the same time take into account his vast potential. Also, What market do you use? the B1G market, the B1G east market, the ACC market, etc.

As I pointed out above, Most B1G East OC's made over 500K last year, some over 800K. But they had extensive experience.

I hope the kid gets everything he can. if he can get 500K, good for him. But, I think rutgersguy1's guess of 350K give or take is as good as any.
 
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rutgersdave said:
This is how we got in trouble last time. We are trying to pay less and less than the previously coach. When Schiano left with his $2 million salary, we replaced him with the cheap OL coach Kyle Flood at $600k the lowest in the Big Ten. When we had to replace him, it was trouble since we couldn't find a qualified Head Coach for less than a million.
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How would Flood have done this year if he was making $2 million?
 
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rutgersal said:
its not about low balling. its about how do you determine whats fair? what does a solid OC rate with experience mean? any wage has to reflect his lack of experience, but at the same time take into account his vast potential. Also, What market do you use? the B1G market, the B1G east market, the ACC market, etc.

As I pointed out above, Most B1G East OC's made over 500K last year, some over 800K. But they had extensive experience.

I hope the kid gets everything he can. if he can get 500K, good for him. But, I think rutgersguy1's guess of 350K give or take is as good as any.
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Without looking at a list of OC salaries for the Big 10 it is hard for me to make a judgement. With that said, he can't be lowest paid guy in the conference. He should be closer to the middle give or take IMO. I can't expect his agent to come in with a number much different than what I'm suggesting. You need to show some faith in your employees.
 
He's not gonna get less than 300K and he shouldn't get more than 400K, that's why I stuck my estimate in the middle of that range give or take. That is market rate for a coach like Mehringer, probably a little above given the experience but you're not going to pay an OC less than 300K. I gave the rates of other OCs and I think 350K is a reasonable estimate. Another OC in the B10 I looked up when were trying to guess possible OCs was Kevin Johns the IU OC and IIRC he made about 330K or so it's likely Mehringer is going to be in that vicinity.

I wouldn't pay him 500K he doesn't deserve it and more importantly it would be a poor use of our limited resources where that extra money can be used on other assistants or support staff types like Barthel. Like I said Lincoln Riley signed a 2 year 1M contract so 500K per year after a nice track record at ECU and that's at a school like OU no less. Herman was only making around 400K when he first got to OSU and later went to 550K or so but that's where he started and he had more experience. Like I've said in the past don't be so insular and look around at what happens outside of RU to know what the usual conventions/norms are.
 
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