What the Administration will use to Justify Flood returning.

[slyker]

The way I see this, from a 40,000 ft view, this is how the Administration will Justify Flood returning.

REGULAR SEASON coaching records: 3 winning seasons, 3 Bowls, just one losing season

Entry to power conference yielded one winning season in first year with senior dominated team. Second year was coaches first losing record, but young team decimated by injuries , suspension

Year 1: 9-3 with L in bowl game - Big East Co-Champs

Year 2: 6-6 with L in bowl game to Notre Dame

Year 3: 7-5 with a WIN in bowl game (FIRST YEAR in BIG TEN w senior dominated team)

Year 4: 5-7, 4-8 or 3-7 (2nd year in B1G w/ young team decimated by injuries , suspension)


Enters B1G with experienced team, does well with bowl win in first year. Exceeds expectations. Second year in Major conference with young team was first losing season. Vegas predicted 4 wins with. So results should not be unexpected in 2015.

Influence of membership in B1G on recruiting has largely not hit the field yet.

Nov 2012 entry to B1G

Feb 2013 Very little to no influence from being in B1G on Feb 2013 signing day class and 2013 and following Seasons.

Feb 2014, HS Seniors have had only 1 yr to absorb RU to B1g.. so only moderate influence on recruiting This class were True Frosh & redshirted in 2014 Season, and Redshirts Fr & sophs in 2015 season – So only marginal influence on the field in either 2014 or 2015 should be expected from B1G recruiting in this class

Feb 2015. B1G influence on recruits should start to take hold, but not Fully .. kids from this class are only True Frosh and redshirts during 2015 season so influence from this First B1G class would largely not be seen until 2016 and more in 17&18


Bottom line with recruiting. Flood players currently on the field in position to make impact (Sr, Jr’s etc) were largely recruited in period of conference uncertainty. Kids in these classes envisioned RU as Uconn is now, in the AAC. So first influence of B1G recruiting should really only start showing in 2016 then more strongly in 17, so first full impact Not until 2017 Team.


And even comparing 14 to 15… results are not that different going from Sr dominated team to young team with 1st yr QB. Of all 10 games played. 7 Had similar results to 2014, 2 have been worse, and one outcome better. So on the whole, there has only been a one game regression from last year with a much younger team. The administration will surely look at this in this way.

Norfolk St 15/ Howard 14 - Both Easy Wins - SIMILAR RESULT

Wash St 14/ 15 Both games down to the Wire SIMILAR RESULT

Penn St Close in 14, Big Loss 15 WORSE RESULT

Kansas 15 / Tulane 14 - Both Easy Wins SIMILAR RESULT

Michigan State Close in 15 – Blow out 14 BETTER RESULT

Indiana Win in 15 & 14 SIMILAR RESULT

Ohio St Blow out both yrs SIMILAR RESULT

Wisconsin Blow out both yrs SIMILAR RESULT

Michigan Close win 14 Blown out 15 WORSE RESULT

Nebraska Loss in Both Yrs – (Closer in 15) SIMILAR RESULT


I think he will be back.

 

[lighty]

"Feb 2014, HS Seniors have had only 1 yr to absorb RU to B1g.. so only moderate influence on recruiting"

LOL. If Flood was a good recruiter he should have seen a MAJOR bump in 2014. Sorry, not buying it at all. He didn't even see a bump after a winning record in year one of Big Ten.

 

[slyker]

"Feb 2014, HS Seniors have had only 1 yr to absorb RU to B1g.. so only moderate influence on recruiting"

LOL. If Flood was a good recruiter he should have seen a MAJOR bump in 2014. Sorry, not buying it at all. He didn't even see a bump after a winning record in year one of Big Ten.

A bump based on what? Those scientific recruiting rankings that mean so much? Cant go by those subjective rankings. Need to see how they perform on the field when they are matured seasoned players after several years in the program. That is how the people in admin will surely be seeing this.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

none of that matters. The only thing that matters is MONEY.

Is Flood worth keeping if Rutgers stands to lose millions in decrease tickets, parking, and donations?

That is the only thing they will look at. The other other thing would be the results of the investigation, if the results have Flood making Rutgers look bad again, then he will be fired even if he wins out.

Money and Public relations are the two most important things. Rutgers is not powerhouse, they won't fire a coach based on win and losses alone.

 

[slyker]

"Feb 2014, HS Seniors have had only 1 yr to absorb RU to B1g.. so only moderate influence on recruiting"

LOL. If Flood was a good recruiter he should have seen a MAJOR bump in 2014. Sorry, not buying it at all. He didn't even see a bump after a winning record in year one of Big Ten.

And "SHOULD HAVE SEEN a bump" is just your opinion. You dont know how long the perception of a program and expectation that they will be joining a winning program will take to sink into the high school population of athletes. These kids dont have the same image of what the B1G ten is that some of the older people on the board do. It may take 3,4 5 years of seeing RU on TV every week against these powers before it has an effect. And the media (AND even RU fans) had been bashing the B1G ten for a number of years before we joined the B1G . I remember many here bashing the B1G because it was weak, and didnt deserve its lofty status. All of this does not get turned around in a flip of a switch

 

[lighty]

A bump based on what? Those scientific recruiting rankings that mean so much? Cant go by those subjective rankings. Need to see how they perform on the field when they are matured seasoned players after several years in the program. That is how the people in admin will surely be seeing this.

RU will never get every top player in New Jersey simply because we will always have positional needs that force us to look elsewhere; however, you are nuts if you think a good recruiter couldn't have used the Big Ten to land several of the top 10 players from Jersey. And even crazier if you don't think something like that is important for the program.

Flood, unfortunately, was the guy who had the opportunity to take RU into the Big Ten. A GOOD RECRUITER would have used this period of time to take RU to levels its recruiting had never seen before. Instead, we likely went backwards. You're right that we won't know for sure until the players hit the field, but PERCEPTION-WISE... Flood blew a golden opportunity.

 

[lighty]

And SHOULD HAVE SEEN a bump is just your opinion..... All of this does not get turned around in a flip of a switch

Ridiculous. A good recruiter uses the entrance to a power 5 conference to his advantage. I can't even see an argument with that.

Flood isn't a good sales person. It's that simple.

 

[cohwx]

I also think it comes down to money, which means...Flood will be around next year UNLESS the report reveals enough infractions to justify a firing.

Well, maybe if we lose badly to Maryland and Army that will be the final straw, but I think we win at least 1 of those, and quite possibly both.

 

[slyker]

RU will never get every top player in New Jersey simply because we will always have positional needs that force us to look elsewhere; however, you are nuts if you think a good recruiter couldn't have used the Big Ten to land several of the top 10 players from Jersey. And even crazier if you don't think something like that is important for the program.

Flood, unfortunately, was the guy who had the opportunity to take RU into the Big Ten. A GOOD RECRUITER would have used this period of time to take RU to levels its recruiting had never seen before. Instead, we likely went backwards. You're right that we won't know for sure until the players hit the field, but PERCEPTION-WISE... Flood blew a golden opportunity.

"A GOOD RECRUITER would have used this period of time to take RU to levels its recruiting had never seen before."

Who is saying Flood is a good recruiter"? I am just stating what decision makers will see from the outside.. and whoever he recruited should not really start having a impact until 16 and much more in 17. And most of his players on the team having an impact now were recruited under the old conference ties.

 

[Bones131]

A bump based on what? Those scientific recruiting rankings that mean so much? Cant go by those subjective rankings. Need to see how they perform on the field when they are matured seasoned players after several years in the program. That is how the people in admin will surely be seeing this.

How come other programs have redshirt freshmen and sophs being major contributors? How come it takes a player 3-4 years to develop at RU?

 

[zappaa]

I also think it comes down to money, which means...Flood will be around next year UNLESS the report reveals enough infractions to justify a firing.

Well, maybe if we lose badly to Maryland and Army that will be the final straw, but I think we win at least 1 of those, and quite possibly both.

If they don't mind playing in front of 25,000 people at home that's fine, I'll be watching on TV if Flood returns…no big deal.

 

[biazza38]

Stop defending Flood. The team looks worse every week. I have no clue what game you're watching. And no, the Kansa game this year was not the same as the Tulane game last year. We were actually able to pass the ball verse Tulane last year. Same as Wazzu. We haven't had a passing TD by our starting QB in the past four games. The O-line is getting worse... And our head coach is an O-Line coach. We have zero identity. Our players fail to make fundamental plays. Just give it up.

 

[RUsSKii]

This would be a solid troll post if it wasn't irrelevant for the following fact:

Firing or keeping Flood as head coach for another season will come down to money, not X's and O's.
The administration must consider the cost of buying out Flood this season and hiring a worthwhile new coach/staff, versus the loss in tickets, parking, donations and concessions/merchandise from a very disgruntled and increasingly apathetic fanbase if the status quo is maintained next season.

 

[zappaa]

Moronic observations by OP!
You have ex players on this board laughing at the ineptness of our technique and schemes.
We look like a chinese fire drill on offense, the keystone cops on defense and we can't kick the ball, yet this OP ignores actual coaching with his crap about when players will make an impact.
Classic Flood family member deflection

 

[RU#1fan]

Epic Fail.
Flood has losing seasons in two of his last 3 seasons.
Flood is now 2-20 vs. Teams with Winning Records since October 2012.
Flood has failed beyond belief in attracting the Top NJ talent to play for him. No Top 10 NJ Recruits for the last 4 years...that's 0 for 40 recruits . No other FBS Coach can claim such stellar results in their home University state.
Flood has proven to be stubborn and will not make adjustments that would improve the Team's chance of winning.

Bottom line this guy was a suspect positional coach on the CFB level and has no resemblance of a Head Coach.

 

[biazza38]

The Indiana win was not a similar result.. That's how we know how biased you are. It took an epic meltdown by our opponent in order for us to win a game we should have never been down 25 in. We kicked the crap out of them last year.

 

[MS-RU]

 

[BiggyRU]

It's over.....good luck to anyone marketing the 2016 season if we retain flood.

 

[slyker]

If they don't mind playing in front of 25,000 people at home that's fine, I'll be watching on TV if Flood returns…no big deal.

Last year. 7 - 5. With a bowl win over a team that had the talent to be pretty good this year. Same staff basically as this year. They did fine last year wIth the same staff. Things don't change that quickly. And as for red shirt frost. Performing for other teams. Don't fool yourself. Yes there are a few here and there, but the core of every team in the country is annually based on their 3rd, 4th and 5th year players. You can't disputr that

 

[slyker]

The Indiana win was not a similar result.. That's how we know how biased you are. It took an epic meltdown by our opponent in order for us to win a game we should have never been down 25 in. We kicked the crap out of them last year.

Why is it an epic meltdown by Indiana and not an epic meltdown of RU in the first half. Or a fantastic effort in 2h. You can spin anything to fit the narrative you want. And it was on the road this year as well.

 

[cohwx]

If they don't mind playing in front of 25,000 people at home that's fine, I'll be watching on TV if Flood returns…no big deal.

No big deal to me either, I live out of state and watch on TV anyway. I would like to be proven wrong but the history of RU athletics suggests they'll make the worst possible decision.

 

[rutgers4life11]

The way I see this, from a 40,000 ft view, this is how the Administration will Justify Flood returning.

REGULAR SEASON coaching records: 3 winning seasons, 3 Bowls, just one losing season

Entry to power conference yielded one winning season in first year with senior dominated team. Second year was coaches first losing record, but young team decimated by injuries , suspension

Year 1: 9-3 with L in bowl game - Big East Co-Champs

Year 2: 6-6 with L in bowl game to Notre Dame

Year 3: 7-5 with a WIN in bowl game (FIRST YEAR in BIG TEN w senior dominated team)

Year 4: 5-7, 4-8 or 3-7 (2nd year in B1G w/ young team decimated by injuries , suspension)


Enters B1G with experienced team, does well with bowl win in first year. Exceeds expectations. Second year in Major conference with young team was first losing season. Vegas predicted 4 wins with. So results should not be unexpected in 2015.

Influence of membership in B1G on recruiting has largely not hit the field yet.

Nov 2012 entry to B1G

Feb 2013 Very little to no influence from being in B1G on Feb 2013 signing day class and 2013 and following Seasons.

Feb 2014, HS Seniors have had only 1 yr to absorb RU to B1g.. so only moderate influence on recruiting This class were True Frosh & redshirted in 2014 Season, and Redshirts Fr & sophs in 2015 season – So only marginal influence on the field in either 2014 or 2015 should be expected from B1G recruiting in this class

Feb 2015. B1G influence on recruits should start to take hold, but not Fully .. kids from this class are only True Frosh and redshirts during 2015 season so influence from this First B1G class would largely not be seen until 2016 and more in 17&18


Bottom line with recruiting. Flood players currently on the field in position to make impact (Sr, Jr’s etc) were largely recruited in period of conference uncertainty. Kids in these classes envisioned RU as Uconn is now, in the AAC. So first influence of B1G recruiting should really only start showing in 2016 then more strongly in 17, so first full impact Not until 2017 Team.


And even comparing 14 to 15… results are not that different going from Sr dominated team to young team with 1st yr QB. Of all 10 games played. 7 Had similar results to 2014, 2 have been worse, and one outcome better. So on the whole, there has only been a one game regression from last year with a much younger team. The administration will surely look at this in this way.

Norfolk St 15/ Howard 14 - Both Easy Wins - SIMILAR RESULT

Wash St 14/ 15 Both games down to the Wire SIMILAR RESULT

Penn St Close in 14, Big Loss 15 WORSE RESULT

Kansas 15 / Tulane 14 - Both Easy Wins SIMILAR RESULT

Michigan State Close in 15 – Blow out 14 BETTER RESULT

Indiana Win in 15 & 14 SIMILAR RESULT

Ohio St Blow out both yrs SIMILAR RESULT

Wisconsin Blow out both yrs SIMILAR RESULT

Michigan Close win 14 Blown out 15 WORSE RESULT

Nebraska Loss in Both Yrs – (Closer in 15) SIMILAR RESULT


I think he will be back.

This guy works in connection with Julie/RU athletics.

No one else would be so personally motivated to defend something so ridiculous.

 

[SJU87]

This is Big time Football. The coach is paid to overcome adversity and Win. Coach Flood has done nothing more than beat the teams he is supposed to beat.

 

[zappaa]

Last year. 7 - 5. With a bowl win over a team that had the talent to be pretty good this year. Same staff basically as this year. They did fine last year wIth the same staff. Things don't change that quickly. And as for red shirt frost. Performing for other teams. Don't fool yourself. Yes there are a few here and there, but the core of every team in the country is annually based on their 3rd, 4th and 5th year players. You can't disputr that

Thank You for your thoughts Mrs. Flood…you'll do it without me watching your husband coach …no big deal.

 

[Pritz99]

The problem with the inexperience argument (and we are verrry inexperienced) is the lack of recruiting. And those 12 seniors were recruited with the worse than the existing (AAC) conference affiliation. As Flood has had more and more time to build relationships with players and coaches the results have deteriorated. And if you didn't think that every fb player who had RU on his radar didn't know 20 minutes that we were invited to the B1G you were delusional. Not to mention a few that put RU ON their radar.

If the admin wants to keep Flood, they really don't need an excuse. If they choose to, they can regurgitate the standard BS. Barchi may choose (rightly or wrongly) that his overall legacy will be minimally affected, But Julie's job, the heck with her legacy, may be on the line. She may not be making a coaching choice if it lasts until 2016.

 

[LC-88]

Allow me to summarize Admin's excuse: Flood has a winning record. (What else is there?) They have slightly more than half a leg to stand on.

 

[lighty]

This guy works in connection with Julie/RU athletics.

Nah, I think Julie can't wait to get rid of Flood.

 

[rutgers4life11]

Nah, I think Julie can't wait to get rid of Flood.

Yeah, not sure Julie team either, but definitely someone with a vested interest in Flood staying. No one puts this type of work into building case after case when 90% of the fanbase is staunchly against it. I hope you're right on Julie, but let us not forget she was the one who championed his extension...

 

[OC Knight]

Skyler if you get your wish and a Flood is indeed back next year. We will be having this same discussion on who our next coach will be after we go 3-9 in front of 30k crowds of mostly opposing fans. Oh and another mid 50s recruiting class full of diamonds in the rough and yet another year of 1-0 QB play by Laviano.

 

[Hondo77]

Last year. 7 - 5. With a bowl win over a team that had the talent to be pretty good this year. Same staff basically as this year. They did fine last year wIth the same staff. Things don't change that quickly. And as for red shirt frost. Performing for other teams. Don't fool yourself. Yes there are a few here and there, but the core of every team in the country is annually based on their 3rd, 4th and 5th year players. You can't disputr that

One big change: Ralph Friedgen. The only guy on the staff that knew how to coach at this level.

 

[ruman]

This guy works in connection with Julie/RU athletics.

No one else would be so personally motivated to defend something so ridiculous.

Unless he's a troll looking to harass. That's what he is

 

[slyker]

This guy works in connection with Julie/RU athletics.

No one else would be so personally motivated to defend something so ridiculous.

Yeah, I signed up for this rivals account in 2002.. knowing that 3 or four years later Flood would be hired and 11 years later Julie would be hired so I could covertly post messages in defense of both of them. You caught me. !!

 

[slyker]

Unless he's a troll looking to harass. That's what he is

Not looking to harass at all. I have said this many times here. Just providing the countering opinion to the lynch mob that resides on this board. And honestly, of the group of long time season ticket holders, and generous donors that i go to games with, not one of them shares the crazed Lynch mob attitude of most of the people on the board here do. They look at the reality of the situation as I have described above. And that is not even factoring in the situation of available funds.

 

[ru-baby]

Connection to flood/Laviano here from op. Lets see the slyker posts when there is a new caretaker and if that one is so zealously defended.

Remember when Bill Cubit's (brother?) came to this board defending him initially anonymously. We have a small number of ny friends/family of flood here continually defending.

We need to realize there will always be friends and family of the current regime who will anonymously defend despite the facts. We have a 3 win team who hasn't scored a passing td in 16 qrtrs and no change attempted. You cant make this level of incompetence and stubbornness up. So when you see the defense just realize its not merit based, but relationship based.

 

[CranfordKnight]

Thank You for your thoughts Mrs. Flood…you'll do it without me watching your husband coach …no big deal.

No, you've got it wrong. If you follow the OP's threads, you'd know Slyker is Lavianova's boyfriend, and if Flood goes, Lavianova goes back to flashing signals on the sidelines where he belongs.

 

[zappaa]

Not looking to harass at all. I have said this many times here. Just providing the countering opinion to the lynch mob that resides on this board. And honestly, of the group of long time season ticket holders, and generous donors that i go to games with, not one of them shares the crazed Lynch mob attitude of most of the people on the board here do. They look at the reality of the situation as I have described above. And that is not even factoring in the situation of available funds.

I call complete BS on you Mrs. Flood, I know some of our biggest most important donors and they have all said, no more money while Your husband is here...you are making stuff up as you go.
By the way, just learned CL gives us our best chance to be 1-0 this week, straight from the Fudd presser.
He's lost his mind!

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I swear the OP is a member of The Flood Family.

Not looking to harass at all. I have said this many times here. Just providing the countering opinion to the lynch mob that resides on this board. And honestly, of the group of long time season ticket holders, and generous donors that i go to games with, not one of them shares the crazed Lynch mob attitude of most of the people on the board here do. They look at the reality of the situation as I have described above. And that is not even factoring in the situation of available funds.

You wanna go to the tailgates my dad attends, and has for years - with some of the longest-time season ticket holders and big $$$ guys - during the Maryland tailgate, and talk to them? You'll be shocked how full of shit you are and/or how much in the minority your group is, trust me.They can't stand Flood.

 

[cohwx]

You wanna go to the tailgates my dad attends, and has for years - with some of the longest-time season ticket holders and big $$$ guys - during the Maryland tailgate, and talk to them? You'll be shocked how full of shit you are and/or how much in the minority your group is, trust me.They can't stand Flood.

Well, sure - if they're paying his salary, they're basically pissing away their money. And not only that, but setting the program back for the next coach.

Even Flood's family and friends should be able to see that.

 

[RickDaglessMD]

Not looking to harass at all. I have said this many times here. Just providing the countering opinion to the lynch mob that resides on this board. And honestly, of the group of long time season ticket holders, and generous donors that i go to games with, not one of them shares the crazed Lynch mob attitude of most of the people on the board here do. They look at the reality of the situation as I have described above. And that is not even factoring in the situation of available funds.

Want to talk about a lynch mob? Look back from now through 2013 where the reasonable minds on this board identified Flood for what he is (a poor coach and worse recruiter), tried to share that view, and were shouted down by the pro-Flood majority (most of whom are now conspicuously absent).

If you're okay settling for mediocrity, that's fine. Just call it for what it is.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Want to talk about a lynch mob? Look back from now through 2013 where the reasonable minds on this board identified Flood for what he is (a poor coach and worse recruiter), tried to share that view, and were shouted down by the pro-Flood majority (most of whom are now conspicuously absent).

If you're okay settling for mediocrity, that's fine. Just call it for what it is.

I don't know who you were, in the past, but THANK YOU for speaking the truth about 2013!!