Hundred of options? Name me 5 options that we can really get, afford and is a proven HC? I don't care if Schiano comes back but there aren't any easy choices.
Who do Brown and Towers want as HC in 2016?
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Your not being honest. You say Schiano will get $4 million when you know that's a bunch of crap. You know Flood isn't the answer but still would take him over Schiano. You started tailgating at Rutgers with a bus and now RV because of the program Schiano built. Why you think Flood is better is beyond me. I'm not saying it has to be Schiano, just don't understand your love affair for him other than your posts on here defending him for months. So what if you look foolish. Isn't it about winning?
Firstly now you are limiting the options by saying "really get". Since I don't know what you mean by that I will assume you mean stealing other p5 coaches. Next you said "afford" so let's assume we would have 2-3 million to play with. Next you say "proven hc". So since Schiano is obviously your barometer we will say about a .500 record.
So with your criteria which was much narrower than my originally embellished statement (which people do yo make a point) that leaves about 50% of current non-p5 head coaches e.g. MAC, MWC, AAC, SUN BELT etc. Now we move onto previous coaches out of work such as Butch Davis, Fulmer, Wannstedt, Mack Brown etc., and finally guys who used to be head coaches with the above criteria who are now assistants such as Lane Kiffin etc.
These are not my choices per say but just illustrating all he options with your criteria. I personally would go with a big time coordinator at a successful school who can recruit.
I don't read VKJ's posts as "wanting Flood." I see them as an argument that if you can afford Greg (and his $4M comment was sarcastic, perhaps not so obviously) you can afford someone that is on par and a clean break.
The entire conversation is silly. Who thinks Greg would come back with this athletic director and President in place?
And I think people clamoring for a $3M head coach are hopelessly tone deaf. Unless $2M of it is endowed or otherwise privately funded, it isn't happening right now.
The entire conversation is silly. Who thinks Greg would come back with this athletic director and President in place?
And I think people clamoring for a $3M head coach are hopelessly tone deaf. Unless $2M of it is endowed or otherwise privately funded, it isn't happening right now.
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You make fun of Schiano here but up until a few weeks ago you were giving fellatio to Flood in the same conference against those same coaches and you know full well Flood had no stain to recruit ao I am wondering about your agenda heee
Jesus. First off, I didn't say he would demand 4 million. I jokingly said let's give him 4 million based on never finishing better than 3rd in a crap conference. Second, I never said I'd take him over Schiano.....not once and you know it. Third, I wasn't defending Flood. I was defending the idea that with our budget anyone we hired wouldn't guarantee any better results than we are getting right now. The only difference is we would be locked into a new guy for 7 or 8 years. Finally, a bus to an RV has nothing to do with what Schiano built. Remember, I have no deep love with the great state university. It's a matter of convenience for me and fun family time. If RU always sucked or drops back down, I'll gladly trade my RU tickets in for the Jets, giants, PSU, Army, BC etc
I'm done with this. There was no Flood fellatio. For the millionth time, it was about staying the course until we had B1G money to spend. Now, because of his actions we will probably have our hand forced and have to hire someone. We will scrounge together 2-2.5 and hire a MAC coach. He will get a 4 or 5 year deal, go to a bowl his first two years, renegotiate and in years 5 and 6 you guys will be crying that we are still only winning 6,7,8 games and can't afford to buy him out.
That is an inaccurate a statement as I've ever read on this board. The boards blew up for days/weeks when Schiano left. People are asking for him back now because he's a rock star coach by Rutgers standards who commands respect from friend and foe alike and has that charisma that is badly needed again to rebuild RU back to the pre-Flood days. Schiano will have Rutgers playing for a conference title within 5 years. People will once again be proud of our football program.
well at least now we know you are just a fair weather fan apparently.
you cannot deny the last year or so your support for Flood was gigantic, you were getting into heated arguments with AreYouNuts.
you cannot deny the last year or so your support for Flood was gigantic, you were getting into heated arguments with AreYouNuts.
I'm in the camp that we should try to do better than GS. I am also in the camp that this should be Flood's final year here.
As much fun it is to make fun of the GS is our only hope people...
If we end up with GS, then at least the defense will be a lot better. But we would need at least 1 million for an elite OC.
Also hire a team of super recruiters.
We have to go all in or we will end up with the same results.
As much fun it is to make fun of the GS is our only hope people...
If we end up with GS, then at least the defense will be a lot better. But we would need at least 1 million for an elite OC.
Also hire a team of super recruiters.
We have to go all in or we will end up with the same results.
Well let's hope the AD resists the urge to do that but the trend doesn't seem that way. The flip side is that the guy gets that extension you mention and builds on it further and we're trying to keep him around longer. Don't be so pessimistic. ;)
Besides like I said in other threads how many schools go out an hire a big name guy and pay him big money right off the bat. I made that list in one of the other threads of all the schools like ND/FSU/Texas/Texas A&M/Florida/Miss St/Ole Miss. etc.. that hired a mid major HC or coordinator as their HC. We'd be no different.
So I don't feel at all pessimistic about our budget for hiring a coach as long as it's in that 1.5-2.5M range which I'd expect it to be and we're willing to pay about 500K for the coordinators. If we have that much then I'm satisfied. Like I said the identification is the hard part, our budget figures are in line with most schools hiring a new coach on their first contract (I've given some examples in other threads) outside of maybe the SEC and a select few schools.
Yes, I defended Flood partly because of want I was being told by HS coaches and recruits. Felt he was learning on the job and was starting to get his recruiting back on track. Mostly, I was defending the idea of keeping the ship steady until the money came. Unfortunately, he probably forced our hand.........
As far as being a fair weather fan. Call it what you want but why would I spend 15 - 20 grand a year when I have better options? Also, Didn't you give up a bunch or your basketball tickets last season?
It is a bad idea to have only one candidate for any job search. Donors must feel like they have been consulted, but they need to understand that it is the University's call. The last thing we need is for donors to think they are naming the next head coach. Otherwise, you wind up with a situation like UConn had a few years back.
http://www.ctpost.com/sports/article/Buyer-s-remorse-UConn-booster-from-Greenwich-977685.php
http://www.ctpost.com/sports/article/Buyer-s-remorse-UConn-booster-from-Greenwich-977685.php
I have supported RU basketball with season tix since I graduated in 93...ditto for football season tix (albeit some of those years not in my name)...yes right thru the Shea years. I am surprised that with your level of interest on these boards that you would bolt if the team was doing poorly
I know VKJ personally and it's dumb to insult his "fandom." He is exactly the type of fan that the school needs to EVER HOPE to fill that joint on a week to week basis. He didn't even go here and has like 20 tickets.
He's making a point that he COULD spend his money elsewhere and get at least an equal level of enjoyment. Not being an alum, he doesn't have the nostalgic and emotional tie that you do.
He's making a point that he COULD spend his money elsewhere and get at least an equal level of enjoyment. Not being an alum, he doesn't have the nostalgic and emotional tie that you do.
Good points Hudson. I am an over-the-top Schiano supporter who appreciates that he turned down schools like Michigan to stay at RU and build our program. No one associated with RU sports has ever done that. He also created expectations for a new generation of fans that were not going to be happy just getting to a bowl. But his term got undergrads to come to games in droves which will pay huge dividends as they advance in their careers. With all that, I don't believe getting GS and RU back together will work out well. He's a good recruiter and defensive coach and will have the B1G to sell which will open the door to better recruits. But he has a history with the local media and with a contingent of the fan base that will explode if he doesn't get RU to major bowls consistently.
He (vkj91) was giving me grief on my Posts that called for Flood being dumped last year . Any person with common sense saw that Flood was never anywhere near FBS Coach material ( now 2-14 against winning teams)
Hey maybe vkj91 is Flood's agent ?
Ugh...hopefully representatives of ranking agencies don't read this board as some sort of metric for alum's reasoning abilities.
I don't think anyone other than Towers is vehemently pro Flood--then or now. What people have said is that within the budget constraints we had in place, if some mid level MAC coach or other P5 retread is going to get you 6, 7, 8 wins, why make a change? VKJ is very plugged in to one of the big Parochial HS. Everything he was hearing was positive about Flood's MOMENTUM...Maybe not his actual performance, but his MOMENTUM. Of the 2 groups he needs to convince the most (recruits and big donors) he had positive momentum with 1 of them (recruits). He also is a key factor in bringing Towers into the fold. We can argue if that is good or bad, but lets be honest, none of us though it was bad when it was announced. We finally had our sugar daddy, no? And Bac was among the most vocal suggesting we tell the media to screw off when they questioned Towers' pending appointment in the department. Now that Towers is proving to be one of the biggest obstacles to removing HCKF, I'm sure he sucks too.
It's all more broken logic
I don't think anyone other than Towers is vehemently pro Flood--then or now. What people have said is that within the budget constraints we had in place, if some mid level MAC coach or other P5 retread is going to get you 6, 7, 8 wins, why make a change? VKJ is very plugged in to one of the big Parochial HS. Everything he was hearing was positive about Flood's MOMENTUM...Maybe not his actual performance, but his MOMENTUM. Of the 2 groups he needs to convince the most (recruits and big donors) he had positive momentum with 1 of them (recruits). He also is a key factor in bringing Towers into the fold. We can argue if that is good or bad, but lets be honest, none of us though it was bad when it was announced. We finally had our sugar daddy, no? And Bac was among the most vocal suggesting we tell the media to screw off when they questioned Towers' pending appointment in the department. Now that Towers is proving to be one of the biggest obstacles to removing HCKF, I'm sure he sucks too.
It's all more broken logic
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I wouldn't bet your mortgage payment that Brown and Towers agree on that particular issue
I don't have a problem with Towers or his tweets. Kind of surprised Flood was more a key factor in bringing in Towers than just any other HC meeting with boosters. I would have thought JH/SB were the keys and Flood may have helped closed the deal so to speak and now maybe after some time they have a closer relationship.
As to Towers tweets, etc.., some boosters stay quiet in the background and some are more meddling. What can you do. I think the main thing is to let them be heard and informed but you can't let them run the show. There's a delicate touch needed there but it's just something you have to do.
As to Towers tweets, etc.., some boosters stay quiet in the background and some are more meddling. What can you do. I think the main thing is to let them be heard and informed but you can't let them run the show. There's a delicate touch needed there but it's just something you have to do.
I don't disagree with you. And managing conflicting donor opinions is probably the most delicate of the AD's job. That said, when your 2nd biggest and now most vocal (at least on social media) donor isn't an alum, it's a tough balancing act.
In your heart, you have to believe that Brown has the broader RU community in mind when he makes decisions. He's an alum. He's on the BOG. He has vested interest in the university as a whole. Towers has none of that.
Here is my take on Schiano's tenure at RU. Early on he had camps set up in Florida where he recruited kids with better speed. He was able to turn the program around with theses kids. Then something happened and he was forced to close those camps. Rutgers never allowed Schiano to recruit like WV and to a lesser extent Cincinnati, Schiano always had to be careful, mainly due to the SL and an adversarial faculty. He did get some cover from Bob Mulcahy until Bob got fired himself. This leads me to my final point. Without the athletes on the field you could be the best coach in the world and still you are not going to win at a high level. The all time greats had to recruit borderline kids to win. Even when Lou Holtz won a NC at Notre Dame he persuaded the monsignor to allow at least 6-8 kids who were excellent athletes but non-qualifiers. Listen, Bear Bryant, Bobby Bowden, Barry Switzer, Tom Osborne and Jimmy Johnson were all winners and cheaters. Both Faculty and Administrators feared them. Rumor has it that in the late 60's Bear Bryant almost got two tenured professors fired! In the end they were allowed to resign and get work elsewhere. With winning championships comes notoriety, money and power.
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That's true. I've always said broadening the pool to new donors (disinterested alums, local non alums/busineses) is key but what you say is true too. I still think that but yup it's a tough balancing act and you need that soft touch to keep people in the fold, feel they've been heard but not in control.
Wow, he's really the 2nd biggest donor already? Goodness. I figured he and his wife would be more wealthy than Brown considering she co-founded a hedge fund but to be such a recent donor and already #2 and not an alum. I can just imagine how poor our fundraising operations have been prior to JH/SB. I guess I shouldn't be surprised looking at all our facilities over these decades.
Coem on dude. You want to suggest that you weren't saying, "Screw the Star Ledger and we should hire whomever we want?" Of course you were.
And now, one of the 2 biggest impediments to Flood being fired is Towers.
I think the money issue was secondary. He isn't an easy guy to work for which is why he tended to get younger less experienced guys who would jump as soon as they could. I believe someone said the Pitt guys were ready to move on but obviously stuck with him for an NFL resume. Could you imagine a guy like Fridge working with him? He used to have coaches pulling weeds outside the Hale Center.
Fridge? LOL no.
But most folks will take a little more crap for an extra $50-75k plus a year.
We don't want to go down the OK State route where a renegade business man/booster has his own press conference before home openers.
The Oklahoman
OSU football: Cowboys booster Boone Pickens predicts 9 or 10 wins for OSU
and that is after his creepy fund raising scheme cost the University 33 million dollars
The Oklahoman
OSU football: Cowboys booster Boone Pickens predicts 9 or 10 wins for OSU
and that is after his creepy fund raising scheme cost the University 33 million dollars
Flood has got to go. From a coaching point (look at the continuing results), from a program/discipline/stupidity standpoint, and from a recruiting standpoint (After he 'saved' Schiano's last class, recruiting has been a poor).
He came in with a program on the upswing, maybe best recruiting class ever, bowl after bowl, clean, APR/academics couldn't be better, B1G and B1G $$$ coming. What did he do with it?
What do you think Schiano would have done with it?
He came in with a program on the upswing, maybe best recruiting class ever, bowl after bowl, clean, APR/academics couldn't be better, B1G and B1G $$$ coming. What did he do with it?
What do you think Schiano would have done with it?
What do I think Schiano would have done? recruited better and still won the same number of games.
No really I dont recall having a strong opinion. I might have sais screw the media but I certainly wasnt vocal on the issue so not sure why you are singling me out here
I'm singling you out, cause I'm talking to you. lol
Look, I'm not looking to pick a fight with you on this topic or really any other.
I guess I took exception to the shot you took at VKJ. Fans like him are the last people the old guard fans should be upset with, imo.
We were watching football games in November rooting for certain teams to win or lose so we had a shot at a National Championship. I know it was 1 year, but yes he got us to a real high level.
No one knows what he would have done with the program with the B1G invite.
But our talent level seems to be declining each year and the trend line is negative. How many of GS's post-2004 teams would lose to our 2015 version? Unproveable but so is what you wrote.
