Who do Brown and Towers want as HC in 2016?

[vkj91]

But our talent level seems to be declining each year and the trend line is negative. How many of GS's post-2004 teams would lose to our 2015 version? Unproveable but so is what you wrote.

probably the same ones that lost to UCONN, Cuse, occasional MAC teams, Fresno State, UNH etc etc.
Again, bring him back but don't expect much more in the win total. A guy who couldn't win the BE and got out recruited by Pornsstache and Lville isn't the game changer you guys want him to be.

 

[WhiteBus]

probably the same ones that lost to UCONN, Cuse, occasional MAC teams, Fresno State, UNH etc etc.
Again, bring him back but don't expect much more in the win total. A guy who couldn't win the BE and got out recruited by Pornsstache and Lville isn't the game changer you guys want him to be.

He still is a much option better than Flood. As
I said in other threads. Rutgers isn't down to a choice between Schiano and Flood for who should be coach next season. But in a comparison between the two I'd take Schiano 100 times out of a hundred.

 

[c_husk]

Yes, I defended Flood partly because of want I was being told by HS coaches and recruits. Felt he was learning on the job and was starting to get his recruiting back on track. Mostly, I was defending the idea of keeping the ship steady until the money came. Unfortunately, he probably forced our hand.........
As far as being a fair weather fan. Call it what you want but why would I spend 15 - 20 grand a year when I have better options? Also, Didn't you give up a bunch or your basketball tickets last season?

We can't have coaches learning on the job at this level. You need someone who already has cut his teeth. A lot of the successful head coaches have come from being a head coach at one of the Group of 5 Conference schools.

 

[vkj91]

He still is a much option better than Flood. As
I said in other threads. Rutgers isn't down to a choice between Schiano and Flood for who should be coach next season. But in a comparison between the two I'd take Schiano 100 times out of a hundred.

so would I, I just wouldn't expect much different results. Results that we would be guaranteed for the next 7-10 years. Before people get their panties in a bunch and claim it isn't true:
08: Fresno 24-7
UNC 44-12
09: Cinci 47-15
Cuse 31-13
10: Beat FIU by 5 (19-14)
Cinci 69-38
Lville 40-13
WVU 35-14
11: Uconn 40-22

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Greg's record will always be skewed among a certain portion of the fanbase because of how he legitimized the program.

It's just the way it is.

 

[WhiteBus]

so would I, I just wouldn't expect much different results. Results that we would be guaranteed for the next 7-10 years. Before people get their panties in a bunch and claim it isn't true:
08: Fresno 24-7
UNC 44-12
09: Cinci 47-15
Cuse 31-13
10: Beat FIU by 5 (19-14)
Cinci 69-38
Lville 40-13
WVU 35-14
11: Uconn 40-22

You can pick out bad loses but he did beat other teams with winning records consistently, beat ranked teams and in general had the program on solid ground. None of that apply to Flood.
Schiano had the foresight to establish the Athletics Academic support staff to help keep players on the field and keep coaches out of contact with professors. Flood thought he was above all that and emabbarressed himself.

 

[vkj91]

You can pick out bad loses but he did beat other teams with winning records consistently, beat ranked teams and in general had the program on solid ground. None of that apply to Flood.
Schiano had the foresight to establish the Athletics Academic support staff to help keep players on the field and keep coaches out of contact with professors. Flood thought he was above all that and emabbarressed himself.

Pick out bad losses? I gave you at least one horrible loss for every season. As for beating winning teams. It wasn't as often as people want to make it out and remember the BE played some horrific OOG's. I think if you take out rocking RE he beat 4 "winning" BCS teams in his last 4 years.

 

[bac2therac]

haha recruits and coaches feeling he is learning on the job....the same ones that don't come here...NJ coaches and recruits that's funny

 

[BuggsyRU]

Hundred of options? Name me 5 options that we can really get, afford and is a proven HC? I don't care if Schiano comes back but there aren't any easy choices.

1.) Bo Pelini (you think he wouldn't leave D1AA Youngstown State and the200K they pay him for another shot in the Big 10?) He should be #1 on any list.
2.) Matt Rhule - Same as Pelini, especially if Franklin doesn't go anywhere.
3.) Tom Bradley - Worth a shot now. Negotiate the buyout down, and offer him 2.5mm/year. He may be too expensive for us right now, but you don't know until you ask.
4.) PJ Fleck - definitely #4 on my list, no higher....but he's on there.
5.) I got nothin for #5

 

[Caliknight]

We don't want to go down the OK State route where a renegade business man/booster has his own press conference before home openers.

The Oklahoman
OSU football: Cowboys booster Boone Pickens predicts 9 or 10 wins for OSU

and that is after his creepy fund raising scheme cost the University 33 million dollars

We wish we had a T. Boone.

 

[Caliknight]

1.) Bo Pelini (you think he wouldn't leave D1AA Youngstown State and the200K they pay him for another shot in the Big 10?) He should be #1 on any list.
2.) Matt Rhule - Same as Pelini, especially if Franklin doesn't go anywhere.
3.) Tom Bradley - Worth a shot now. Negotiate the buyout down, and offer him 2.5mm/year. He may be too expensive for us right now, but you don't know until you ask.
4.) PJ Fleck - definitely #4 on my list, no higher....but he's on there.
5.) I got nothin for #5

This list is horrible.

 

[BuggsyRU]

This list is horrible.

If I respected your opinion and knowledge of football, even an ounce, I might be slightly offended.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

This list is horrible.

Well give us a better one Cali! Assume you can spend $2.5 - $3M/year on a HC (forget about the full staff for now; let's just see what you've got my friend). Please don't get into what we "will" or "won't" spend, and the administration blah-blah, I'm just curious as to your list. Thanks.

(** haven't put one together, myself, as of today...but then again I'd be happy with just about anyone else at this point...)

 

[RU#1fan]

:uzi:

What do I think Schiano would have done? recruited better and still won the same number of games.

Brilliant.
That's a laugh !
GS would have certainly done better than Flood only going 2-14 against Winning teams prior or this season.
And he certainly would not have been foolish enough to leave Nova in for 6 Interceptions on Homecoming vs. Kent State and for atrocious play in the Citrus Bowl.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

:uzi:

Brilliant.
That's a laugh !
GS would have certainly done better than Flood only going 2-14 against Winning teams prior or this season.

I swear you would think that there are posters - granted, only a few left - who have sons, nephews, or neighbors, Flood has promised scholarships to in the next few years!

 

[ArminRU]

1.) Bo Pelini (you think he wouldn't leave D1AA Youngstown State and the200K they pay him for another shot in the Big 10?) He should be #1 on any list.
2.) Matt Rhule - Same as Pelini, especially if Franklin doesn't go anywhere.
3.) Tom Bradley - Worth a shot now. Negotiate the buyout down, and offer him 2.5mm/year. He may be too expensive for us right now, but you don't know until you ask.
4.) PJ Fleck - definitely #4 on my list, no higher....but he's on there.
5.) I got nothin for #5

Decent list. I'd also add Frost even though I think he's a huge long shot.

I'd also put Schiano ahead of some of those names.

 

[rutgersdave]

1.) Bo Pelini (you think he wouldn't leave D1AA Youngstown State and the200K they pay him for another shot in the Big 10?) He should be #1 on any list.
2.) Matt Rhule - Same as Pelini, especially if Franklin doesn't go anywhere.
3.) Tom Bradley - Worth a shot now. Negotiate the buyout down, and offer him 2.5mm/year. He may be too expensive for us right now, but you don't know until you ask.
4.) PJ Fleck - definitely #4 on my list, no higher....but he's on there.
5.) I got nothin for #5

Only RHULE sounds good. Fleck has one good season and is unproven. Bo would get a Rutgers in trouble. Frost is possible but no Bradley.

 

[RUfromNJ]

Nobody knows how much or little Schiano has improved since leaving RU. What everyone should know is how much he'd improve the perception of the program both on and off the field if he were to return.

I don't know if Schiano is the answer to all that ails this program, but Flood is not the answer to any of it.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Vkj

You are not an alumni, which on the one hand it is great that you still put effort into supporting the program, but on the other, it has no impact on you when for two weeks there were near daily stories of Kyle Flood embarrassing the program.

When GS was coach there was not even one time I was embarrassed of the program. You need to recognize that this is not FSU or TTFP, our fans just don't forget or overlook or whitewash that type of thing. We need among other things a restoration of dignity to this program.

Furthermore you will be very hard pressed to find another coach who will walk into recruiting with off the bat credibility, and who will be able to quickly fix our atrocious defense.

What I see on not just here, but talking to other alums and even seeing what people are writing on the RU Athletics facebook page and on twitter, is a real push from alumni who feel very strongly about what GS did here.

You are within your rights to disagree, but please, at least 1) suggest someone better who will actually come here and 2) don't act like there isn't a gulf between GS and Flood...half the blowouts listed were after EL was injured...GS consistently beat winning teams, beat several ranked teams, and was a field goal away from winning the BE 3x, got a slew of top notch commits, was beat TTFP for recruits while we were in the BE, beat tOSU for AD...meanwhile under Flood we lose recruits to Temple and get blown out by anyone with a pulse.

There is too much on this board of being unwilling to change hard line stances. The Flood supporters would take no consideration of any criticism and now the program is in shambles and they are holding on for dear life to what exactly...anyone who wants RU to succeed, there is simply no colorable case for Flood.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

That anyone right now, is attempting to put Flood and GS on the same level, is more than enough to make me laugh, uncontrollably, for the 1st time in about 49-hours. Thanks!

 

[Caliknight]

Well give us a better one Cali! Assume you can spend $2.5 - $3M/year on a HC (forget about the full staff for now; let's just see what you've got my friend). Please don't get into what we "will" or "won't" spend, and the administration blah-blah, I'm just curious as to your list. Thanks.

(** haven't put one together, myself, as of today...but then again I'd be happy with just about anyone else at this point...)

I would have to do a lot of research, and frankly, if Rutgers made these types of bold moves I would. But they don't, so I'm not wasting my time. I can tell you who wouldn't be on it- Bo Pellini and Tom Bradley. Rhule? He might make the list, he might not. No way on those other guys. There is a reason Pellini is at YS and Bradley doesn't sniff jobs. Both are coordinator material.

 

[PaKnight]

You do realize that most years we had less talent and depth than the top 3 in conference right? We overachieved many years. 2006 is a prime example. The top 3 often had much better QBs, WRs, RBs and lines than we did. And to get Schiano we'd probably have to pay $3mill not $4mill. He was making $2mill here before he left. A $1mill bump due to NFL experience doesn't seem too unreasonable to me. We'd probably also need an additional $2mill for his assistants especially so that he can hire a great OC and retain good position coaches like Panagos.

Isn't it the coaches responsibility to bring in talent?

 

[PaKnight]

But our talent level seems to be declining each year and the trend line is negative. How many of GS's post-2004 teams would lose to our 2015 version? Unproveable but so is what you wrote.

The 2014 team was probably the best team since 2006 and 2016 recruiting was looking better. Remains to be seen what the impact of all the off field issue will have on the team.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

The 2014 team was probably the best team since 2006 and 2016 recruiting was looking better. Remains to be seen what the impact of all the off field issue will have on the team.

2008 2nd half the team was much better than 2014.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

The 2014 team was probably the best team since 2006 and 2016 recruiting was looking better. Remains to be seen what the impact of all the off field issue will have on the team.

2012 team was much better than 2014. That was a 10 to 11 win team with better QB management instead of 9. The VT game that year was atrocious.

 

[PaKnight]

2008 2nd half the team was much better than 2014.

Full season 2014 > 2008.

 

[PaKnight]

2012 team was much better than 2014. That was a 10 to 11 win team with better QB management instead of 9. The VT game that year was atrocious.

Debatable. I saw Dodd against Uconn and ND in 2013.

 

[G- RUnit]

Carroo got hurt for Dodd's game so couldn't bail him out like Nova.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

Actually Dodd's Carro was Sanu. Remember the USF game where the entire final drive was throw to Sanu including a ridiculous 4th down catch?

 

[Trekology]

And to get Schiano we'd probably have to pay $3mill not $4mill. He was making $2mill here before he left. A $1mill bump due to NFL experience doesn't seem too unreasonable to me. We'd probably also need an additional $2mill for his assistants especially so that he can hire a great OC and retain good position coaches like Panagos.

As others have pointed out, for $3mm, you can get a better coach than Schiano. Steve Addazio is the 4th highest paid coach in the ACC at $2.6mm. USA Today has a list of coaches salaries so you can look around at others. Some other notable names:

• Oregon's Mark Helfrich: $2mm
• Pitt's Paul Chryst: $1.6mm
• Indiana's Kevin Wilson $1.3mm
• Texas-San Antonio's Larry Coker $400k
• Western Michigan's P.J. Fleck: $393k

I'm not suggesting any of these names (maybe Fleck), but just as an example of what varying degrees of success in a coach command. Even if one could get Sciano to come back and take his old salary, a better coach could likely still be found. The thing Schiano does have going for him is no buyout.

 

[scarletrider]

Pellini would not last here. Not for his performance but due to his handling of the media and other off the field responsibilities.
The media would ostracize him.

 

[PaKnight]

Carroo got hurt for Dodd's game so couldn't bail him out like Nova.

So excuses are ok for Dodd.

 

[Caliknight]

Nobody knows how much or little Schiano has improved since leaving RU. What everyone should know is how much he'd improve the perception of the program both on and off the field if he were to return.

I don't know if Schiano is the answer to all that ails this program, but Flood is not the answer to any of it.

Definitely false. Flood fit the first mandate given to the department while Pernetti was AD and still exists. It's not to win. It's to cut the subsidy. Floods salary level is just what the doctor ordered. He fits what Rutgers wanted to a tee.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Full season 2014 > 2008.

The 2008 team beats last year's team by 2 TDs. No doubt in my mind. Sorry.

 

[derleider]

The 2014 team was probably the best team since 2006 and 2016 recruiting was looking better. Remains to be seen what the impact of all the off field issue will have on the team.

The 2014 team was about the same, probably a little worse than 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, and 2012. We beat a bunch of 5-7 wins teams (barely) and got blown out by anyone in the top 30.

2016 was looking better - but it was still middle of the road for a P5 team and will likely head downhill because of this years ON FIELD results. Thats fine if its an off year - but to have it be your peak year? Well thats how you end up with what we have now.

We can do better. Maybe thats Schiano. Maybe its someone else. Hopefully we arent stupid enough to listen to donors just because they have money.

 

[vkj91]

Vkj

You are not an alumni, which on the one hand it is great that you still put effort into supporting the program, but on the other, it has no impact on you when for two weeks there were near daily stories of Kyle Flood embarrassing the program.

When GS was coach there was not even one time I was embarrassed of the program. You need to recognize that this is not FSU or TTFP, our fans just don't forget or overlook or whitewash that type of thing. We need among other things a restoration of dignity to this program.

Furthermore you will be very hard pressed to find another coach who will walk into recruiting with off the bat credibility, and who will be able to quickly fix our atrocious defense.

What I see on not just here, but talking to other alums and even seeing what people are writing on the RU Athletics facebook page and on twitter, is a real push from alumni who feel very strongly about what GS did here.

You are within your rights to disagree, but please, at least 1) suggest someone better who will actually come here and 2) don't act like there isn't a gulf between GS and Flood...half the blowouts listed were after EL was injured...GS consistently beat winning teams, beat several ranked teams, and was a field goal away from winning the BE 3x, got a slew of top notch commits, was beat TTFP for recruits while we were in the BE, beat tOSU for AD...meanwhile under Flood we lose recruits to Temple and get blown out by anyone with a pulse.

There is too much on this board of being unwilling to change hard line stances. The Flood supporters would take no consideration of any criticism and now the program is in shambles and they are holding on for dear life to what exactly...anyone who wants RU to succeed, there is simply no colorable case for Flood.

Just because I didn't go to RU doesn't mean I don't get the same response from family and friends as they know how invested I am in this team. No, the losses I posted weren't just from after EL's injury they were every season. I'm not saying there isn't a wide divide between the two coaches, I'm simply saying the results wouldn't be very different. I don't get how you guys can sit here and make believe his record here wasn't what it was. You talk about all these ranked teams he beat? Who were they? You talk about never having been embarrassed......didn't we have a kid on our team who shot someone in the back of the head in Paterson? I don't remember the story bc I'm not a fan that long but someone mentioned that to me last week. Ever hear the term "Ray Rice don't do tests"? Didn't we have a guy get suspended for shooting students with a pellet gun? You do t think kids got in fights when Schiano was here? Hell, we had two players fighting on the field after the NAVY game. Remember that brilliant coaching lesson? I will say it for the millionth time, I'm fine with Schiano coming back. Just promise me all the whiners won't go crazy when we are still treading water at 6 or 7 wins year in and year out. Here's a news flash, we need to get away from the pro set if we are ever going to take the next step. We simply will never be able to recruit the talent you need and will always be a FB, TE, OL away from having what we need. Our only shot is to hire an x and o guy who runs the spread and hope he can grab enough NJ athletes to make us relevant. Find the money for Herman, hire a Dino Babers, or make a splash and take the OC from TCU. The same guy who lit us up while he was at Houston. But no, let's go back to Schiano and make believe this board loved him five years ago. I'm still waiting for people to be honest about their posts during that UCONN game, the USF game before Deering's KO return when about 15k of us were still in our seats. How about the epic death struggle with Army BEFORE Eric's injury? The list goes on and on but some people are so caught up in the legend they can't remember what game day was really like.

 

[rutgersguy1]

We can do better. Maybe thats Schiano. Maybe its someone else. Hopefully we arent stupid enough to listen to donors just because they have money.

I actually do think you listen you just don't let them have control. They have to feel like they've been heard and their opinions/feelings have been taken into account but it shouldn't be marching orders especially considering they're not even big donors compared to what we see at other schools.

Like I said, it's a delicate soft touch you need but it's something you have to do.

 

[shoprufan]

Lets get Schiano now let him do some magic on the 16 class lots of time before signing day.Bring the Jersey boys home.

 

[RU#1fan]

That anyone right now, is attempting to put Flood and GS on the same level, is more than enough to make me laugh, uncontrollably, for the 1st time in about 49-hours. Thanks!

Anybody who thinks there is no difference between Flood and Schiano needs to have a labotomy.
Flood has shown since October 2012 he CANT BEAT Winning teams. 2 wins 14 losses against winning teams since then. Recruiting ? That word can't be used in the same sentence with Flood. Beyond disappointing is the reality. Over 4 years only ONE Top 10 NJ recruit. That's ONE FOR FORTY in NJ, sickening.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Just because I didn't go to RU doesn't mean I don't get the same response from family and friends as they know how invested I am in this team. No, the losses I posted weren't just from after EL's injury they were every season. I'm not saying there isn't a wide divide between the two coaches, I'm simply saying the results wouldn't be very different. I don't get how you guys can sit here and make believe his record here wasn't what it was. You talk about all these ranked teams he beat? Who were they? You talk about never having been embarrassed......didn't we have a kid on our team who shot someone in the back of the head in Paterson? I don't remember the story bc I'm not a fan that long but someone mentioned that to me last week. Ever hear the term "Ray Rice don't do tests"? Didn't we have a guy get suspended for shooting students with a pellet gun? You do t think kids got in fights when Schiano was here? Hell, we had two players fighting on the field after the NAVY game. Remember that brilliant coaching lesson? I will say it for the millionth time, I'm fine with Schiano coming back. Just promise me all the whiners won't go crazy when we are still treading water at 6 or 7 wins year in and year out. Here's a news flash, we need to get away from the pro set if we are ever going to take the next step. We simply will never be able to recruit the talent you need and will always be a FB, TE, OL away from having what we need. Our only shot is to hire an x and o guy who runs the spread and hope he can grab enough NJ athletes to make us relevant. Find the money for Herman, hire a Dino Babers, or make a splash and take the OC from TCU. The same guy who lit us up while he was at Houston. But no, let's go back to Schiano and make believe this board loved him five years ago. I'm still waiting for people to be honest about their posts during that UCONN game, the USF game before Deering's KO return when about 15k of us were still in our seats. How about the epic death struggle with Army BEFORE Eric's injury? The list goes on and on but some people are so caught up in the legend they can't remember what game day was really like.

The reason no one heard of it is because all of that is hearsay, but doesn't seem as bad to me as 7 arrests for violent assault and a 3 game suspension for academic fraud.

Schiano beat #3 Ville, #2 USF, #25 USF, #17 Pitt...since 2005 he beat Pitt and Cuse 5 out 7 times. Flood is 0-2 against TTFP, and save it because the current iteration of TTFP is way worse than Pitt was most of those years, won all but one bowl game, and was not blown out by the best BE teams every time we played them. We beat the BE champ in 06, lost by 3 in 08, beat them in 10, lost by 10 in 11, versus absolute demolition by anyone with more than 7 wins the past two years.

You conveniently ignore recruiting which is a significant issue here, Schiano recruited top players with reliability, only Wanny really edged him out a handful of times. We did not worry about losing recruits to TTFP, nevermind Cuse or Temple, which is now a problem. Some guy from Texas is not going to come in here and make up the talent gap against local guys.

More than anything what I think many of us find very frustrating is that you and the other Flood guys will just not admit the error of your ways. Flood has devastated this program, on and off the field, and we warned time and time again about this, rumors were swirling and it got to the point where people where banned for being negative and now look what happened.