Why was Clemson a given?
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Whether Louisville or VaTech would beat Wisky is certainly arguable. To me, the strength of a conference isn't about how good the bottom four teams are; it's about the top half of the league, and there there is no question, in my mind.
One way you could do this is to line up both conferences from top to bottom and then play 1 against 1, 2 against 2, etc. I don't have the energy to do that, but it might be interesting.
Clemson beat 8-4 Auburn (lost to Arkansas) who's best win was LSU (who'd they beat?). 9-3 Florida St (no bad losses) who's best win was Florida (who'd they beat? Just LSU). And 9-3 Louisville (lost to Kentucky) who's best win was Florida St (Who'd they beat? Just Florida) Their "tough" opponents did not have any good wins and in some cases worse losses. It's just one big circle jerk.
Ohio st vs Clem, UMich vs FSU, Penn st vs Louisville, Wisconsin vs VT, Nebraska vs UNC, Iowa vs Pitt. Minnesota vs Miami
Ok so a lot of good teams had a bad loss. Just like Penn st and Oklahoma did. Auburn had some good wins in their divison. SEC west is still the best division year in and year out. Ohio st should have lost to a bad Mich st team. UMich lost to a mediocre Iowa team. Nebraska got destroyed by a Iowa, same team who lost to N DAKOTA st and Northwestern. So would N Dakota st be the 5th best team in the BIG10?
I think Clemson will beat OSU. Ohio st. don't face dynamic offensives along with the athletes Clemson has. UMich over FSU, Louisville over Penn st, Louie has the best player in football and a better game day coach than Penn st, Wissy over VT by small margin, UNC over Nebraska. Pitt and Miami are better than Iowa and Minnesota. 4-3 ACC wins.
Wait what? I'm talking about the OP. What did Clemson do to be "locked" into the playoff? Their resume has just as much room to be questioned if not more than Washington, and if Washington was on the verge of being bumped by Penn St or Michigan, Clemson should have been at risk as WELL.
No they shouldn't. As I pointed out, Clemson had a better SOS than any of the "bubble" teams, and had at least a comparable resume.
A one loss ACC champion? What team gets in over them? Clemson proved to be a competitive team last year in the final 4. Almost beat Bama. They have a great QB, great skill players, exciting coach. No way they were in jeopardy. Penn st and UMIch had 2 losses
Wisconsin was 10-3 with one score losses to #2 Ohio St, #5 Penn St, and #6 Michigan with wins over 8-4 Iowa (Beat #6 Michigan) and 9-3 Nebraska (No key wins, losses to Wisconsin, Ohio St, and Iowa.)
Big difference
Not comparable. Washington doesnt have the final 4 history like Clemson has. Clemson is a talented as any team in the country. They have first NFL talent all over their roster. Bama will tell you that. I also remember Alabama and Oregon underestimated how good Ohio st was in 2014. When people didnt think they deserved to be in it.
It's funny because my OP pointed out they did nothing to escape the criticism that Washington received other than last years success and that's the first thing you turned to.
They were a 1 loss ACC champion that went unquestioned with no major wins. Washington was a 1 loss PAC12 champion with no Major wins. Although they beat Colorado which clearly I hold in more regard individually than Florida St, Louisville, or Auburn.
Can't lose 3 times an be in the final 4. Plus Big10 west was bad. Not alot of good teams. One of the reasons why Nebraska's record was good. Wisconsin was a good team but not final 4 good.
What strength of schedule? The one made up of Auburn, Louisville, and Florida St that went 26-10 with wins over Florida St and Florida and losses to Arkansas and Kentucky?
IM NOT SAYING WISCONSIN SHOULD BE FINAL 4 HOLY CHRIST.
That poster said beating Wisconsin was not a good win and should be held in the same regard as a win over Auburn, Louisville, or Florida St which by now you should know (I hope) I have been discrediting as good wins.
Nope, it's not a big difference. Wisconsin's big wins were over Nebraska, who didn't beat anybody, and LSU, who didn't beat anybody. Iowa beat Michigan........and lost to an FCS team. Nope, not a big difference at all.
And of course, you again gloss over the SOS, which if ESPN's website is correct, is in Clemson's favor compared to all the bubble teams.
According to ESPN's website, Clemson's SOS is #33, Penn St's if #40, Michigan is #54, and Washington is #55.
I didnt escape anything. They have to keep past sucess in consideration. The committee knows what they will get out of Clemson. They dont want another Mich st/Bama game like last year. Ok so now the Pack 12 conference is better than the ACC. lol Most analysts said Pack 12 and B12 were the two worst P5's this year. So Colorado is more formidable than Louisville, who were ranked top 10 most of the season? Has the best player in football? Come on man.
No, that's not what I said. I said by your logic, Wisconsin wouldn't be a good win. My point is, when you try to start claiming wins over teams in the Top 15 are "discredited," it just means your whole argument is completely stupid.
yup, and those teams are all better than teams like UCF Hawaii Rutgers Illnois Mich st Maryland and Indiana that were on UMich and Penn st schedules.
You have it at 5-2 ACC. You're dreaming, of course, but that's what you have. I'd give you Pitt and Miami.
Dreaming is strong words. I dont know why you would think Nebraska and Penn st cant be beaten. Both have some weakness that could be exposed. I can even throw Miami in there. They destroyed Pitt and Pitt beat Penn st.
They could be beaten. Could go 7-0 either way. But as we see, OSU favored over Clemson. Michigan, Penn St., and Wisky all ranked higher than their counterpart in ACC. Miami didn't really beat anybody other than Pitt and GT. Iowa finished very strong.
Maybe we'll get some of those matchups in bowl games!
of course they did. The B10 west was not good. So again, you answered my question. N dakota would have competed in the B10 west.Thats a Shame. ThanksNDS probably would be #2 or #3 in ACC .
That "mediocre Iowa team" team finished 8-4
Thats a reasonable point. but I am also comparing Miami to Nebraska. Both were ranked at one point. Nebraska didnt beat anyone good because the B10 west was so bad. ACC coastal was better than B10 west.
I agree UNC defense is not great on defense but their offense is good. They have a NFL QB, RB and WR. Stanford offensive struggled a bit this season. That game is a toss up, but then again I havent watched Stanford all that much, so you may be right.
while the playoff is only 4 teams and you have 5 power conferences it will be very difficult to get a 2nd team from the same conference in. It would have to be a scenario where an Ohio St is undefeated and Michigan has 1 loss (close loss to Ohio St) while beating a 1 loss ACC / SEC / B12 conference champion in an early season neutral site game. in 2017 Michigan opens up against Florida and Ohio St has an early season game with Oklahoma. If Florida / Oklahoma lose to the B10 oponent and win every other game while the B10 team has 1 loss then we can get a 2nd team in.
Considering they are ranked #3 in the final FCS regular season poll and only loss was to South Dakota St (#7 FCS) I feel they would would finish #6 in the B1G
W and #6 in B1G E.
As for the ACC :
#4 in the Atlantic & # 2 in the Coastal
Rutgers playing ACC teams would wind up #5 in Atlantic and #3 in Coastal.
Since Rutgers beat NM and NM is comparable to ( or better than ) most ACC programs (Clemson, Louie and Florida St are the exceptions) I believe RU would fair well in that overrated Conference ,compared to its poor showing in the far better B1G one.
Syracuse would finish last in both divisions in the B1G and probably have been Rutgers only win.[banana]
My man, you let your love for the Big Ten cloud your football intelligence. Not sure if you even watched an ACC game but UNC, Miami, VT and Pitt have excellent skill players. Pitt's Oline is one of the best in the nation. Syracuse probably would finish last in the B10 because they suck. Its funny how Rutgers fans spend all their time hating and discrediting teams in their division but then want to use their prestige to make themselves look good. Temple and Pitt are better and your not even close to Penn st. You better hope Fogg doesnt flip to them, lol
