Yeah and they lost at PSU. While I'm not suggesting PSU should have been in over OSU, not sure your point.
why were the two hottest teams left out of CFP?
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Yeah and they lost at PSU. While I'm not suggesting PSU should have been in over OSU, not sure your point.
If we were really going to nit pick, Washington is the team in question. Their schedule was pathetic and Colorado was a paper tiger. No way in hell their coach should have been in the conversation for COY. Hell, give it to the row the boat dude before him.
I'll completely give it to you that nothing about this is clear-cut. For those of us that believe PSU should have been in, either thanks to its head-to-head win over OSU and league title or because of Washington's weaker resume, yesterday served as something of a validation. I think no matter what side of the argument you fall on, there has to be a little bit of "what if" in your thought process today.
Would PSU have beat Alabama? Unlikely. But it stands to reason it would have at least tested the "weak" spot of the Tide's defense by attacking it downfield, something Washington could not do. Would PSU have beat Clemson? Maybe not. But Joe Moorhead's offense would have at least kept things interesting, as opposed to the abomination that OSU has put on the field on that side of the ball in the last three games.
The answer is an eight-team playoff. We'll get there someday.
Quite frankly, I have no thoughts about Penn State after yesterday. If we don't win the Rose Bowl then no "what ifs" exist. If we do then maybe I'll give it more thought.
If anything, I've realized that the B1G wasn't that good this year. I tried to tell people that Michigan had lost 2/3, not won an important game convincingly for months and had not gotten better. People thought I was flaming. Harbaugh did exactly what he has always done. Had a solid record, got lots of hype and won nothing. It's been the story of his entire career.
OSU has a QB who can't throw and no play makers outside of Samuel. I know a lot of OSU fans who know a little about football and none of them felt this team was very good.
Quite frankly, I don't care what everyone from the B1G did. Penn State gets a win tomorrow and people will consider them a legit threat to be a T5 (T10) coming into next season. Lose and they won a shitty conference in a down year.
Can't take Wisky away though. People wanted to say we had weak crossover games. Wisky negated that argument. Still can't believe the absolute ass whooping we put on Iowa.
Really?? It's not about being hot. YOU do not have 1 lose or less no chance to get in unless a down year
And PSU wasn't? Colorado was leading at Michigan until the QB got hurt. What's PSU excuse with Michigan for the blowout. Colorado was projected to be around .500 based on their perform not only last year, but the last few. Let's see how PSU does against USC. CU played USC pretty close (21-17 loss) at their place. Meanwhile, I already hear PSU complaining about this being basically a home game for USC. Way to soften the blow when it happens.
Penn State will have more fans than USC so not sure who is saying it is essentially a home game. Also, no one gives a shit about your QB getting hurt. Penn State played half the season with substantial injuries...no one cares.
We beat OSU. Who did you beat? No one. Then you got run out of the stadium by Washington and Oklahoma State. Colorado was overrated and is a borderline T20 team.
Yeah, this guy keeps showing up like a bad penny. Can't seem to get the hint that nobody would miss his boring predicable drivel.
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Alright, let's play the misleading game. PSU beat Ohio State and you now world beaters. All stats show OSU kicking PSU *ss up and down the field all game. It came down to blow plays (blocked FG) which allowed PSU to come out on top. Ohio State beat itself more so than PSU beat OSU.
You're right about no one caring if the CU QB got hurt, but again what's PSU excuse for not even being in the game against Michigan. Btw, CU beat Stanford at Stanford which is better than any of PSU regular season wins. PSU has been a paper tiger for years too.
A paper tiger for years? Dude what rock have you been under. We've sucked for years.
In case you weren't aware, STs is part of the game. In addition, OSU didn't do jack shit for the last part of the game as our DL absolutely dominated their OL. Finally, let's call it what it really was. Urban pissed his pants at the end of that game and made some horribly bad decisions including running his FG team out in a rush when there was no reason to do so.
LOL @ Stanford and thinking that win is better than PSU beating OSU. Lay off the dope.
You admit you suck.[roll]
You're win against OSU is like watching a MMA fight. You're getting you *ss kicked, but somehow get off a lucky shot to win. I do agree with you that Urban Liar did piss his pants.
Yes, the Stanford win is better because 1) it was on the road against a very good team. 2) Statistically CU dominated the game. 3) led the entire game. So did PSU do any of that against OSU?
How about going back your site to talk shop about PSU.
You're starting to look foolish.
I said we have sucked for the last several years which is accurate.
I guess you haven't been on this site enough to learn that the only thing I think that matters is W/L. I don't make excuses either way and don't play the woulda/coulda/shoulda game.
Penn State beat OSU. There will be no asterisks, no footnotes, nothing. They won the game and that is the only thing that matters.
Penn State has a NC that proves that stats mean absolutely nothing. The game isn't based on stats it is based on the final score.
Yes and he said it was better than any win Penn State had. He didn't specify that it was better than any away win Penn State had.
Winning an away game against a T20 team is not as impressive as winning a home game against a T5 team IMO. Obviously the rankings agree since Penn State was ranked ahead of Colorado.
And KJb, I do like what your bring to the table. And i did think before bowl season that Utah was a really good road win and Utah and Indiana played a very good bowl game that Utah won by two. I thought Utah was probably 10 points better. Good road win for Washington.
I'm with yiu. An 8 team playoff is inevitable. Have the first round games at the higher seeds home
When Penn State played Michigan it couldnt even field a proper defense. FIve starters out including a CB and DE, and all three LBs (I'm going by memory), and on top of that two of our walk-on, backup LBs were knocked out of the game, also. Not an excuse, just a fact. We play Michigan now we beat them.
Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda. If my mother had balls she'd be my father. If Minnesota doesn't choke down the stretch they beat Penn State at Penn State this year. So we all can play this game.
What's it like to cheer for a team that played for a national championship? Always wondered what it felt like.
But I know what it's like to play for one.[roll][roll][roll]
Your whole post just laid out an excuse on why you lost. You even conclude if not for that excuse you would beat Michigan now. Just because you state it's not an excuse, doesn't make it not an excuse. You have no idea what would have transpired if those players played. It's just your opinion on what might have happened. It's just as plausible that you still would have gotten blown out because that outcome had already transpired.
But this has happened before.. wasn't it the year OSU won the MNC getting in over TCU that TCU slammed their bowl opponent?
Yeah.. 2014.. TCU went 12-1.. only loss to Baylor 58-61 and they crushed SEC's Ole Miss 42-3 in the Peach Bowl.
Maybe TCU should have gotten int the Playoffs over Alabama, who lost to Ole Miss.
In previous years they said conference championships hold weight. In the end the fewer decisions we have a comittee make the better. That is why I advocate for expansion of the playoffs to allow for auto bids. You win you conference you are in. Let the comittee decide 2 or three teams but the other slots should be earned.
Just do what FCS does and go to playoff field of 16. Drop regular season back to11 games. Have first round games at top 8 seeds home fields so inncetive remains for regular season performance. Use New Years six bowl locations for quarter, semis snd NC. Scrap the small bowls.
Never threw out excuses. I just played your game and you didn't like it. You keep coming back to this site. Why not just stay on your board. You don't have to deal with this anymore.
I like that.. but add a requirement to have the first weekend of November as an OOC date that the NCAA fills.. they match up EVERY FBS program and alternate home and aways.. and even provide a travel stipend so even the poorest teams won't be taxed too heavily to visit whomever the NCAA pairs them with.
Neither USC or PSU would have been within 7 touchdowns of Alabama. In fact, Alabama played USC and beat them 52-6 this season. Washington played a better game against Alabama than USC did.
How would PSU have blocked Alabama's defensive line? Their OL is worse than OSU's. The only interesting thing would be seeing how much of a beating McSorley could withstand.
What's the core philosophy? The Best 4 Teams? The 4 teams hottest at the end of the season?
Answer that and you can figure out who should be in. I believe it's the former, and that choices 1 - 3 were correct. 4 was up for debate, but still might not have been State Penn. You can make the case for PSU, Washington or Michigan, but PSU could drop by virtue of the head to head loss at Michigan. PSU and Washington had a common opponent, but that doesn't say much for either school.
When the Giants won their last super bowl, were they the best team in football? Or just went on a tear at the right time?
Answer that and you can figure out who should be in. I believe it's the former, and that choices 1 - 3 were correct. 4 was up for debate, but still might not have been State Penn. You can make the case for PSU, Washington or Michigan, but PSU could drop by virtue of the head to head loss at Michigan. PSU and Washington had a common opponent, but that doesn't say much for either school.
When the Giants won their last super bowl, were they the best team in football? Or just went on a tear at the right time?
Basically agree with this, it's judged on the whole season not just a hot streak.
Really not even sure you can take into account hot steak for college football like you might in college basketball. There's a layoff of weeks to a month in football so any streak you had or groove you may have been in is likely worn off and you somewhat start afresh.
In basketball, you go from the regular season, to conference tourney to NCAA tourney in quick fashion so there I think a hot streak could carry over, not so much in football IMO.
The committee is instructed to select the 4 best teams. But as you point out, that is somewhat ambiguous. Does it mean the 4 teams that performed the best over the course of the season, or the 4 teams that are performing the best at the end of season. However, the fact that the committee starts ranking teams early in the season seems to indicate that the intent is to select the teams that have the best overall season. If the intent were to only select the teams who are performing best at the end of the season, there would be no reason for the committee to start ranking teams early.
My post was about teams that are on "hot runs" and there is no denying that USC is, winning their last eight games, including a win at washington by two touchdowns, and they lost to bama in their first game of the season, when they lost three of their first four. My point again is they are on a hot run and at this point as well as head to head they are far better than washington
bama and clemson are the two best, so it worked out but my point was that USC and/or psu would have competed better than osu and wa
An argument that PSU gets in over OSU is topped by Pitt getting in over PSU
If we are fair here, Michigan has 3 losses and didn't look explosive most of the season and Ohio State has slowly eroded offensively as the year progressed and they moved further and further away from Tom Hermann...neither of those teams in a 3 team argument with PSU looks weaker and weaker as the bowl season moves forward....
PSU pretty much has no real excuses today, they are as hot as USC coming into the game and Washington showed better than many expected vs Bama, only allowing 17 offensive points. If they cannot stay in contact with USC, the B1G status in the bowls takes a huge hit, along with the thoughts that PSU was the best of the 3 B1G teams and any argument against PSU being better than Washington goes out the window.
If PSU can stay within 10 points of USC, they would have succeeded in the argument that they should have been included in the playoff....it's a tough spot on the west coast and USC is better than Michigan, Washington and Ohio State right now, but Ohio State, Washington and Clemson were the 3 best teams other than Bama, coming into the playoff format and games. I don't know how PSU slows down SC without blitzing and SC has the athletes to cover PSU, which Clemson, Washington and certainly Bama do as well. Throwing against Wisconsin, isn't exactly the same as USC
The best player on the field for all 12 of PSU's game has been Barkley.....except today it's Adoree Jackson.....that's a lot to overcome and Darnold is clearly the best QB PSU has faced in a very long time....
PSU pretty much has no real excuses today, they are as hot as USC coming into the game and Washington showed better than many expected vs Bama, only allowing 17 offensive points. If they cannot stay in contact with USC, the B1G status in the bowls takes a huge hit, along with the thoughts that PSU was the best of the 3 B1G teams and any argument against PSU being better than Washington goes out the window.
If PSU can stay within 10 points of USC, they would have succeeded in the argument that they should have been included in the playoff....it's a tough spot on the west coast and USC is better than Michigan, Washington and Ohio State right now, but Ohio State, Washington and Clemson were the 3 best teams other than Bama, coming into the playoff format and games. I don't know how PSU slows down SC without blitzing and SC has the athletes to cover PSU, which Clemson, Washington and certainly Bama do as well. Throwing against Wisconsin, isn't exactly the same as USC
The best player on the field for all 12 of PSU's game has been Barkley.....except today it's Adoree Jackson.....that's a lot to overcome and Darnold is clearly the best QB PSU has faced in a very long time....
