Would you be ok with a replacement HC from the MAC or sun belt?

[TheHandOfChaos]

They have a few young, passionate, and successful up and comers besides Fleck.....

Jeff Brohm? (i keep thinking of him yelling at his brother after his INT in the 06 ru-louisville game)

Rod Carey?

 

[jerzeyguy]

Rod Carey is the coach I want. Northern Illinois is really well coached.

 

[OffTheBanks]

I'd take a shuffleboard coach from West Palm Beach over Flood.

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

You do realize that the MAC is full of upcoming head coaches and you missed the two most promo any names in Babers and Campbell right? And that there have been cloudless threads in babers, Campbell, broh, fleck and Carey?!?!?????????????

 

[rufeelinit]

As someone indicated going the MAC route has a mixed track record. Northern Illinois has been good under jerry kill who got going at Minnesota, the next guy went to NC State and is still trying to get over the hump and now Carey. Is it the coach or the program? There are several coaches performing well but their resumes are not that rich as Hc.

Last night bowling green looked as bad as Toledo looked good. I would probably forego hc experience at the Mac level for the right coordinator from a top ten team. Of course what I think RU really needs to do is pay up and get the right guy to minimize the uncertainty. That does not seem to be in the cards.

 

[MikeR0102]

Todd Monken, Southern Miss

 

[rutgersguy1]

No issues, all depends on the candidate.

 

[Ru2bnj]

Absolutely. I've been mentioning Jeff Brohm's name a lot. He is a QB..having played at UL and in the NFL. Has a lot of QB/OC experience at college and NFL level. In his second year at WKU, I believe his overall record is 16 - 7 thus far as HC. His team has been scoring a lot of points. I don't know how well he would fit the NJ culture but he knows what he is doing...on the offensive end. I'm sure JH has some connection or knowledge of him from UL.

 

[T2Kplus10]

I'd take a shuffleboard coach from West Palm Beach over Flood.

Agreed. Those games are well organized and those seniors never give up!

 

[G- RUnit]

You do realize that the MAC is full of upcoming head coaches and you missed the two most promo any names in Babers and Campbell right? And that there have been cloudless threads in babers, Campbell, broh, fleck and Carey?!?!?????????????

Those are the two I would stay away from. Schools on auto-pilot.

 

[RUchip]

No because the chances of them winning recruits against Meyer, Harbaugh, and Franklin in our are is slight. They likely would bring their own staff none of which are Jersey guys and have any relationship with NJ HC coaches.... Much like Flood

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I wouldn't mind at all. They say we cannot afford a new coach.. but we can afford new coaches from that level. And it really cannot get any worse as long as you hire a good person with a strong work ethic who shows they know something about football... and get a good coach that can bring a successful staff with him. If we do this, he'll need a lot of help with recruiting and keeping the paperwork process in order. We'll need those operations to go smoothly and let the man (or woman) focus on football.

I don't mind taking a chance.. a pig in a poke.. because what we have is just that bad.

 

[derleider]

You do realize that the MAC is full of upcoming head coaches and you missed the two most promo any names in Babers and Campbell right? And that there have been cloudless threads in babers, Campbell, broh, fleck and Carey?!?!?????????????

Pretty much by definition MAC and Sun Belt coaches are up and comers (although they do hire a few guys on the way down from the top.) Most of them end up as flops. Those who don't OFTEN go through an MWC or AAC or previously CUSA level school first.

Babres and Campbell might be great - or they might be beneficiaries of the fact that the MAC generally sucks and so its not hard to dominate it with slightly better coaching or slightly better recruiting.

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

Those are the two I would stay away from. Schools on auto-pilot.

That makes absolutely no sense. None.

Pretty much by definition MAC and Sun Belt coaches are up and comers (although they do hire a few guys on the way down from the top.) Most of them end up as flops. Those who don't OFTEN go through an MWC or AAC or previously CUSA level school first.

Babres and Campbell might be great - or they might be beneficiaries of the fact that the MAC generally sucks and so its not hard to dominate it with slightly better coaching or slightly better recruiting.

We had this discussion before. Ill see your flops and raise you Urban Meyer and Nick Saban both from the MAC. Its nonsense to label these coaches as "too riksy" or "mostly flops" There are flops from anywhere. Bad fits, coordinators, promotions from within.

 

[scarletKNIGHT07]

Willie Fritz - Georgia Southern

2 time FCS national coach of year. Sun Belt coach of the year last year. Runs an offense closest to Oregon out of the options on the market this year. Not sure if the run option would be better for us long term than air raid. They play Georgia this weekend.

Brohm's team is fun to watch, a lot of gadget plays. I'm not sure which style is better suited for B10.

 

[derleider]

That makes absolutely no sense. None.



We had this discussion before. Ill see your flops and raise you Urban Meyer and Nick Saban both from the MAC. Its nonsense to label these coaches as "too riksy" or "mostly flops" There are flops from anywhere. Bad fits, coordinators, promotions from within.

Urban Meyer went to an MWC school first to prove himself. Nick Saban was a defensive coordinator in the NFL for four years between his one year at Toledo. Brian Kelly went to Cincinnati (an AAC school now - and basically that level when they hired him in 2007).

Go back and find the guys who went directly from MAC schools to coaching at P5 schools in the past 15 years. Not exactly a who's who of success.

 

[PaKnight]

No because the chances of them winning recruits against Meyer, Harbaugh, and Franklin in our are is slight. They likely would bring their own staff none of which are Jersey guys and have any relationship with NJ HC coaches.... Much like Flood

Who would you want?

I would agree that it would be a mistake to not have anyone with NE ties on their staff.

 

[lighty]

I'm always interested in anybody that's had success at multiple levels. Guys that win wherever they go seem to have it. Don't forget that the old Big East conference used to be a poaching ground for the next big coach.

For the next hire, though, it would be better to grab a guy that's won at the P5 level imo. My favorite is still someone like a Bo Pellini. He's had success in the Big Ten and is probably looking to get back to the P5 level. I think his conference experience would be invaluable to RU. Plus he's won here.

Is he bat shit crazy? Probably. But that actually could work well in a major market LOL.

 

[RUforlife]

They will likely meet the #1 criteria of this administration if they do make a switch, they will come relatively cheap.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Pretty much by definition MAC and Sun Belt coaches are up and comers (although they do hire a few guys on the way down from the top.) Most of them end up as flops. Those who don't OFTEN go through an MWC or AAC or previously CUSA level school first.

Babres and Campbell might be great - or they might be beneficiaries of the fact that the MAC generally sucks and so its not hard to dominate it with slightly better coaching or slightly better recruiting.

I've made this distinction as well of high mid major vs low mid major. There is a difference and I think the quality of choice is better if it's a successful high mid major coach. Still no guarantee but if possible I prefer selecting a high mid major coach.

This year outside of Fuente/Herman I don't see any others that I like so I still go back to coordinators like Dave Aranda/Doug Meacham. I still don't get why people are so against it. Yea I get wanting the HC experience but just looking at past results I don't see a discernible difference in success/failure rates between the 2 categories P5 coordinator vs. mid major HC.

 

[RURM85]

Pretty much by definition MAC and Sun Belt coaches are up and comers (although they do hire a few guys on the way down from the top.) Most of them end up as flops. Those who don't OFTEN go through an MWC or AAC or previously CUSA level school first.

Babres and Campbell might be great - or they might be beneficiaries of the fact that the MAC generally sucks and so its not hard to dominate it with slightly better coaching or slightly better recruiting.

Pretty much this. Most are flops and occasionally a diamond in the rough. If an experienced and proven HC from the P5 is not attainable, I'll take a successful OC or DC from the B1G who has game planned against our opponents and knows the landscape.

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

Pretty much this. Most are flops and occasionally a diamond in the rough. If an experienced and proven HC from the P5 is not attainable, I'll take a successful OC or DC from the B1G who has game planned against our opponents and knows the landscape.

Thats what FL thought they were getting when they hired Muschamp.

My point is that you cant "rule out" a conference or a prior position (OC/DC) bc of some flops. Most coaches who are hired dont work out long term. Thats why only a few stay for 10 years.

I think we as fans need to get over ourselves a little bit and take someone who is gonna give the program a short term shot in the arm. Who cares if they are here long term. Someone who will make us competitive next season. Certainly it can be done with the right hire. And im not close minded enough to rule out a conference bc some failed. Id pretty much hire anyone who the Cincinatti AD hires. He knows how to hire coaches.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Thats what FL thought they were getting when they hired Muschamp.

My point is that you cant "rule out" a conference or a prior position (OC/DC) bc of some flops. Most coaches who are hired dont work out long term. Thats why only a few stay for 10 years.

I think we as fans need to get over ourselves a little bit and take someone who is gonna give the program a short term shot in the arm. Who cares if they are here long term. Someone who will make us competitive next season. Certainly it can be done with the right hire. And im not close minded enough to rule out a conference bc some failed. Id pretty much hire anyone who the Cincinatti AD hires. He knows how to hire coaches.

There have been 3 Cincy ADs since Dantonio if IIRC and one of them just got fired from Illinois and Beckman was his hire. He was absolved of any wrongdoing though.

The one thing I agree with and have said is I don't narrow the scope of where I'd look and judge things on case by case basis. Just like in 2013, where I was advocating Herman and pretty much everyone here didn't even comment this year too I don't see anyone in the midmajors who are realistically obtainable and are good enough. Babers is the closest one IMO but his defense worries me. Campbell/Carey I still think need more time even though they've had some good results. So again I see coordinators like Aranda/Meacham as possibly the next Herman/Fuente. Got to sniff these guys out before they blow up and are out of reach.

 

[RURM85]

I would have loved Narduzzi regardless of his rough around the edges personality, of which some say was not a fit for the Rutgers environment. IMO he would have been a perfect fit and who really cares if he destroys equipment to motivate the kids. Narduzzi also has ties to our area.

I really like Aranda. The Wisconsin defense plays tough defense. Similar to Narduzzi, he's game planned against all our opponents, thus, will come in prepared for what works and what doesn't.

As to NorthNJRUfan states, I have no issue looking for a short term fix, especially to bridge us to when the full payments come in from the Conference. I believe we'll have more success in the short term with a Coordinator who's coached against our opponents as opposed to a mid-major HC. Match Aranda, with a good OC and the team will have some success.

 

[rutgersguy1]

I would have loved Narduzzi regardless of his rough around the edges personality, of which some say was not a fit for the Rutgers environment. IMO he would have been a perfect fit and who really cares if he destroys equipment to motivate the kids. Narduzzi also has ties to our area.

I really like Aranda. The Wisconsin defense plays tough defense. Similar to Narduzzi, he's game planned against all our opponents, thus, will come in prepared for what works and what doesn't.

As to NorthNJRUfan states, I have no issue looking for a short term fix, especially to bridge us to when the full payments come in from the Conference. I believe we'll have more success in the short term with a Coordinator who's coached against our opponents as opposed to a mid-major HC. Match Aranda, with a good OC and the team will have some success.

I agree with that and while Aranda isn't at present working on a team using the spread, he has in the past with Utah State and Hawaii which makes me hopeful that would be the avenue he'd choose. I think that's important for whoever the next coach is. It's our best opportunity to overachieve our perceived status IMO.

He also slowly switched from an oversized/larger Wisconsin D to a smaller quicker 3-4 defense. He adapted and worked well with both. I like that. Plus smaller quicker seems more like the type of guys we'd be able to recruit as opposed to the big uglies others get their hands on. Wisconsin isn't a team that recruits gang busters either and he's done okay. Before he got there, their defenses were top 20 or so but now they're top 5-10. He had them 10-15 at Utah State in his one year there and coincidentally it was the year Andersen won a double digit number of games. At Hawaii the stats may not have been as good in terms of yds but I believe they did very well in takeaways to compensate for it. So he's done it in a few places and did, so that's the kind of thing I like to see.

He's not rah rah, very calm and soft spoken so if you think that's necessary you won't like him. Me personally I have no issue, reminds me of a defensive version of David Shaw. He's from Cali originally so I don't think it will be a big culture shock in terms of NJ. Herman has never coached this far east either and people want him, so I don't see it as a big detriment. BTW I think Aranda/Herman went to the same school Cal Lutheran not that it means anything lol.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

They all have their issues.

Dino questionable defense
Cambell and Carey haven't done it for long enough.
If you are going to go the PJ Fleck route, I like Jeff Brohm more.

 

[rutgersguy1]

They all have their issues.

Dino questionable defense
Cambell and Carey haven't done it for long enough.
If you are going to go the PJ Fleck route, I like Jeff Brohm more.

Jeff Brohm is the same too. He's only in his 2nd year and his defense hasn't been good either in his 2 years. I don't know how many qbs he's developed either or how much Petrino left behind for him.

If I go that route I still like Babers best from the midmajor HC category in that he's done it with 2 qbs and has at least did change DCs in his 2nd year recognizing something was wrong even though the improvement is still lacking to date.

Along with Aranda, if an offensive coach is mandatory I like Meacham best overall. He's done it with multiple qbs and I'd hope being around Patterson and seeing what Fuente did at Memphis is choosing Odom as his DC(off at Mizzou now) that he'd do a better job in delivering that mediocre defense I want and not neglect it either.

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

What if the MAC HC was very successful.

And was OC at both Arizona and Texas A&M.
And was asst-HC and QB coach at UCLA

Oh and worked under Briles at Baylor for 3 or so years.

Would that be a resume everyoone could get behind? Successful coordinator and successful HC?!

 

[rutgersguy1]

What if the MAC HC was very successful.

And was OC at both Arizona and Texas A&M.
And was asst-HC and QB coach at UCLA

Oh and worked under Briles at Baylor for 3 or so years.

Would that be a resume everyoone could get behind? Successful coordinator and successful HC?!

Yea I'm aware of Babers background but the issues with him are can he deliver that mediocre defense I want. That's the issue with any of the offensive coaches frankly, who do you think is most likely to deliver it? Otherwise it catches up to you or you become Indiana or Rich Rod a Michigan. So to me that's the thing to focus on. I think most of them would do well on offense, it's which one can deliver that mediocre defense that's the question?

I mentioned this in another thread but in some ways it's easier to get a good defensive coach and pair him with a good spread OC. Since it's so ubiquitous now, there are quite a few out there. I don't know if you could say that about good defensive guys. But the thing is IMO it has to be a defensive coach who has had experience on a team that runs it like a Venables or Aranda. Coaches like Muschamp/Strong/Chizik became a little confused about what they wanted to run after initially being prostyle and in Chizik's case reverse from spread to prostyle. So the guys has to have familiarity with the spread to me and because of that hopefully know how to find people who can run it for him.

 

[G- RUnit]

Could not disagree more with idea of coordinators. We are at the B1G boy table. We have to get proven winners who have proven that they have won somewhere. If we are going to gamble want it to be a gamble on someone who has already been a head coach. No more on the job training.

 

[G- RUnit]

Yea I'm aware of Babers background but the issues with him are can he deliver that mediocre defense I want. That's the issue with any of the offensive coaches frankly, who do you think is most likely to deliver it? Otherwise it catches up to you or you become Indiana or Rich Rod a Michigan. So to me that's the thing to focus on. I think most of them would do well on offense, it's which one can deliver that mediocre defense that's the question?

I mentioned this in another thread but in some ways it's easier to get a good defensive coach and pair him with a good spread OC. Since it's so ubiquitous now, there are quite a few out there. I don't know if you could say that about good defensive guys. But the thing is IMO it has to be a defensive coach who has had experience on a team that runs it like a Venables or Aranda. Coaches like Muschamp/Strong/Chizik became a little confused about what they wanted to run after initially being prostyle and in Chizik's case reverse from spread to prostyle. So the guys has to have familiarity with the spread to me and because of that hopefully know how to find people who can run it for him.

My issue with Babers is right now he is one game behind his predecessor 's record with his predecessor's players. That's a bit of a red flag.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

This is silly IMHO. Anybody who is not "fine" with a HC, from either conference, simply doesn't pay much attention to college football.

 

[PaKnight]

My issue with Babers is right now he is one game behind his predecessor 's record with his predecessor's players. That's a bit of a red flag.

I just don't think you can read too much into a coach's record compared to his predecessor's, especially from the outside. The roster is changing every year. This goes both ways, better or worse.

 

[PaKnight]

This is silly IMHO. Anybody who is not "fine" with a HC, from either conference, simply doesn't pay much attention to college football.

Unless you have $4 or $5 million, there are going to be risks with a P5 coordinator or a MAC level HC.

I like Campbell from Toledo. Dynamic guy who would shake things up.

 

[vkj91]

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[Ole Cabbagehead]

Jeff Brohm is the same too. He's only in his 2nd year and his defense been good either in his 2 years. I don't know how many qbs he's developed either or how much Petrino left behind for him.

If I go that route I still like Babers best from the midmajor HC category in that he's done it with 2 qbs and has at least did change DCs in his 2nd year recognizing something was wrong even though the improvement is still lacking to date.

Along with Aranda, if an offensive coach is mandatory I like Meacham best overall. He's done it with multiple qbs and I'd hope being around Patterson and seeing what Fuente did at Memphis is choosing Odom as his DC(off at Mizzou now) that he'd do a better job in delivering that mediocre defense I want and not neglect it either.

We largely agree on all of this, which makes sense, because I've gotten a good portion of my information on the subject from your posts. Babers is my top choice of the MAC candidates. I just like Brohm more than Fleck if you need to go with a really up and comer type of candidate. I really hope that isn't necessary though.

 

[RUskoolie]

We aren't hiring a MAC coach guys. I don't know who we're hiring but I know enough to know that if donors are footing the bill (and they are) they aren't paying for a name no one will recognize.

 

[G- RUnit]

Unless you have $4 or $5 million, there are going to be risks with a P5 coordinator or a MAC level HC.

I like Campbell from Toledo. Dynamic guy who would shake things up.

Everybody wins at Toledo though. Scary to commit as can't tell if really good or not. Think you have to compare to predecessors. What else is there?

 

[buffalochicken21]

What is it with this "established" "proven P5" head coach crap?

You realize we aren't an established program, right? This isn't Michigan. Nobody is jumping from another Power 5 school to Rutgers. Florida hired their coach from Coloroda State for christ sake.

I am praying the donors and decision makers are living in reality this time around and have full use of their brains. We could have had Tom Hermann in 2013, but this ridiculous "proven P5" HC crap stopped it.

Babers and Campbell will be semi-realistic options, there may be a line of schools with more money in front of us to get to either of them. There are coordinators that for some reason don't get much talk here like Brent Venables and DJ Durkin. Not to mention other head coaches in the AAC, C-USA, and MWC worth a look, at the least. Schiano came here with no HC experience, and managed to put together an 11 win team in a very legit, power conference Big East at the time.

Michigan, USC, Texas and the like get to pick "established" head coaches from the tree. We do not. But for that reason, we are far much more fun to follow and watch, because the right decision can build into something.

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

We aren't hiring a MAC coach guys. I don't know who we're hiring but I know enough to know that if donors are footing the bill (and they are) they aren't paying for a name no one will recognize.

The only non MAC guys ive heard this board float are Schiano (meh) and Golden (meh). I sure hope our donors are smart enough to either: 1-know that a name doesnt guarantee success 2-trust JH to do her job. And if they cant trust her to make the best hire for the program then bad by by her in convincing them and shame on them for not trusting her.