He would be a soph next year with 2 1/2 years and got 7.5/5.5 ....absolute no brainwr
Get this done quick ...replaces Getty
Get this done quick ...replaces Getty
Yankuba Sima to transfer from St. Johns
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Shack are you sure? Seems like he was a freshman last year, making him a Sophmore this year.
If he transfers by January to some college, he would have to sit out until the end of the Fall Semester NEXT season, but would be eligible for the 2nd half (or more) of the 2017-2018 season, plus 2 more seasons ... hence 2 1/2 years.
he has 5 to play four....he would sit the rest of this year and have 2 full seasons plus the 2nd half of next year....
That is not correct. If he played as a freshman and is playing now that is two seasons. If he transfers now he would be eligible to play after the fall of next season but if he does that half season would count as his 3rd year. Then he would have one more season after that. Get a year and a half out of him. Or he sits out ALL of next season and then you can get two seasons out of him after that.
That is the way I see it as well. I think Steve Perry might have transferred in the middle of a year as well but from George Washington.
I do t know what to tell you. It's not correct baring an NCAA waiver.
We had the same issue with Jack. Half seasons count as whole whole seasons. Think about it. You are telling me that a senior in his fourth season right now could decide "hey my team stinks so I will transfer and play the second half of next season at another school". No. that is not how things work. If you played one game in a season baring an medical redshirt you played that full season. Again, I am not guessing. I would bet anyone serious money on this.
I just checked Steve Perry did not come in the middle of a year. He played for GW 1980-81 and 1981-82. He sat out for RU in 1982-83. He played 2 full seasons at RU 1983-84 and 1984-85.
http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2016/12/9/13901806/yankuba-sima-transfer-st-johns
2 and a half years to play
2 and a half years to play
I also just read the NCAA transfer rules. It appears as if the rules are now different than when Clarence Tillman transferred. If a player transfers now during a season and he played in games during that season the season counts as a full year. Thus Sima would only have 2 seasons left to play not two and a half.
Copied and pasted from the NCAA.org website.....a player needs to complete spring semester and fall semester before being eligible (2 full semesters)....once that 2nd semester is completed, the player is eligible to play that spring semester and would have 2 full seasons after that....(2 & 1/2 years)....
Transfer Process
Academic year in residence: Under the basic transfer regulations, you must spend an academic year in residence at the school to which you are transferring. If you transfer from a four-year college to an NCAA school, you must complete one academic year in residence at the new school before you can play for or receive travel expenses from the new school, unless you qualify for a transfer exception or waiver. To satisfy an academic year in residence, you must be enrolled in and successfully complete a full-time program of studies for two-full semesters or three-full quarters. Summer school terms and part-time enrollment do not count toward fulfilling an academic year in residence.
Transfer Process
Academic year in residence: Under the basic transfer regulations, you must spend an academic year in residence at the school to which you are transferring. If you transfer from a four-year college to an NCAA school, you must complete one academic year in residence at the new school before you can play for or receive travel expenses from the new school, unless you qualify for a transfer exception or waiver. To satisfy an academic year in residence, you must be enrolled in and successfully complete a full-time program of studies for two-full semesters or three-full quarters. Summer school terms and part-time enrollment do not count toward fulfilling an academic year in residence.
That is not what it says in your post at all. It is saying that a player has to spend one full year at the new school before they are eligible. I agree with that. Nowhere does it say they can then play 2.5 more years.
I challenge anyone to find a player with stats from 5 different seasons that did not get a medical exemption.
You won't find it.
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He has two and a half years to finish after he becomes eligible. He can't play two and a half years. He can sit out next spring and play the next two seasons full if he wants.
Not sure where the confusion is, the website clearly states that the player has to complete two full semesters at the new school before becoming eligible...if a player transfers in for spring semester, that would be semester #1, then fall semester would be #2.....once that player completes those two semesters, then they can participate.........playing or being on the court for 7 or 8 games is not burning a full year of eligibility and leaving before the end of that semester, doesn't burn a full year of eligibility........the player would burn that full season IF he goes beyond that first semester and continues to play or is still enrolled at that same school for the next semester....
It's the same situation with Deshawn Freeman and RU last year....he didn't "burn a full season of eligibility" last year by playing in a handful of games, before his injury shut him down for the rest of the year....he arrived with 3 years of eligibility to play 2 at RU, not 2 to play 2....the obvious plan was for the player to play his first two seasons, but the injury cut short that plan....he still has 5 to play 4 regardless, so last year is considered one of the 5 years, just without a full season or using one of the 4.......so he has this year and next year.....
It's not that complicated.......And I am just reading what the website states and what makes sense based on the situation....There are hundreds of transfers in hoops that all occur at this time of year, based on this situation of avoiding enrollment continuing at the present school, so they don't lose a full year of eligibility....
Again. Not sure what to tell you. You are totally wrong. The rule you quoted does not support what you are saying at all. The rule you quoted only says that the player can transfer now and sit out spring and fall and play next spring. That is correct. But this season counts as a full season. And next year should he play on the spring counts as a full season. Nowhere does the rule you posted say that a player who played 9 games does not count as a full season. That is crazy to think that. you play in any games you played the season barring injury which is he only reason freeman can play the extra year. He got a medical exemption.
Knights1212 just read the rule and agrees.
Knights1212 just read the rule and agrees.
I found my information under google. "Transfer Terms/ NCAA.org- The Official site of the NCAA" Scroll down to "season of competition" It states "Division 1 & II student athletes who compete for any amount of time during a season use up a season in their sport". This would mean that Sima would have used up two seasons of his 4 years at this time if he should transfer at this time.
I do not know the rule – – but I do recall some time ago when we got a transfer from Connecticut, Richie Ashmede and that is exactly how it played out.
Yes, I forgot about Tom savage, a star on our 1989 team from Ewing H.S. and Virginia Tech. The rules definitely have changed since that time.
I am pretty sure that Tom Savage did not actually ever play in a game at Virginia Tech. If I recall correctly, he transferred after the first semester, never having played. He then sat out the first semester of his redshirt freshman year at RU. Based on the Richie Ashmede example, the incoming transfer we are talking about would either sit out two semesters and have three semesters to play, or sit out three semesters and have two full seasons to play. This is because any part of the year counts as a full year with respect to eligibility. I think Rothstein is correct. I think Rick is correct.
@RickB113 is correct. Unless you get a hardship waiver (sometimes called a medical redshirt) you can only compete in 4 seasons. Competing is defined as one competition in whcih you represent your school. So if he played in games for SJU last year and this year, he has lost 2 years of eligibility. He has two more years left to compete.
This is separate from the rule that you have to sit out for 1 year, which can be split by semester if a player transfers out mid year. Absent a hardship waiver, he would have to sit out a minimum of 1 year (until 2nd semester next year) and would have two more academic years of eligibility (either spring next year 17-18 and the following year 18-19 OR if he sits all of next year (redshirt 17-18) he could play 18-19 and 19-20).
@NewJerseyHawk - you are conflating two rules. First is the transfers must sit out for 1 year rule. This rule simply counts two consecutive semesters as sitting out a year.
The second rule is elgibility. You can play in 4 seasons, which must occur in a 5 year period. Absent a waiver, participation in a single game during the academic year counts as a season of eligibility. Participation essentially goes on a calendar year basis for basketball. So 1 game last year and 1 game this year consumes two seasons of eligibility used. Player now has 3 years to play 2.
This is separate from the rule that you have to sit out for 1 year, which can be split by semester if a player transfers out mid year. Absent a hardship waiver, he would have to sit out a minimum of 1 year (until 2nd semester next year) and would have two more academic years of eligibility (either spring next year 17-18 and the following year 18-19 OR if he sits all of next year (redshirt 17-18) he could play 18-19 and 19-20).
@NewJerseyHawk - you are conflating two rules. First is the transfers must sit out for 1 year rule. This rule simply counts two consecutive semesters as sitting out a year.
The second rule is elgibility. You can play in 4 seasons, which must occur in a 5 year period. Absent a waiver, participation in a single game during the academic year counts as a season of eligibility. Participation essentially goes on a calendar year basis for basketball. So 1 game last year and 1 game this year consumes two seasons of eligibility used. Player now has 3 years to play 2.
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Right – – when our guy transferred to Creighton he needed the medical redshirt in order to get as much eligibility as he did.
It is amazing how mysterious injuries "pop up". If he is not competing in any more games this season I wouldn't be shocked if it was because of an "injury".
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