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Utah has definitely gotten better than it was in terms of beer availability.

Brew pubs were straight up illegal until 1989, when Wasatch successfully lobbied to change the law. In 2009 the "private club" system finally was gotten rid of, too, which opened things up some more... though they still have pretty tight control over the number of allowable liquor licenses for bars/restaurants, and the 4.0 abv limit on beer sold on tap.

As far as it's "homegrown microbrew" scene - they're definitely putting out some good beers (though if you want them on tap, you often have to go out of state).

As far as the overall beer scene, though... if you're hanging out in Provo, it's not like you can walk into a place like Standard Tap in Philly or Stout in NYC (or even somewhere like World of Beer in New Brunswick, or Nik's Wunderbar in Whitehouse Station). I understand Salt Lake City has a few spots to belly up to the bar (like the Beerhive Pub), but the rest of the state is pretty much a wasteland. NJ might not have a ton of great craft brews of its own (though it does have its share), but there are plenty of places that pour excellent craft brews from other states/countries and plenty of liquor stores with multiple aisles of different beers to try.

Well, sure in Provo. But that's like using Ocean City as an example.

Bars are definitely more concentrated in select areas, and I would never argue in favor of state-controlled liquor stores hoarding all the sales of real beer and wine as well as spirits, but there are some good spots outside of SLC.

Drink a beer or two here and you'll forget about any inconveniences.

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Well, sure in Provo. But that's like using Ocean City as an example.

Bars are definitely more concentrated in select areas, and I would never argue in favor of state-controlled liquor stores hoarding all the sales of real beer and wine as well as spirits, but there are some good spots outside of SLC.

Drink a beer or two here and you'll forget about any inconveniences.

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That's southern Utah by the looks of it.
 
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Well, sure in Provo. But that's like using Ocean City as an example.

Bars are definitely more concentrated in select areas, and I would never argue in favor of state-controlled liquor stores hoarding all the sales of real beer and wine as well as spirits, but there are some good spots outside of SLC.

Drink a beer or two here and you'll forget about any inconveniences.

A "bar with nice scenery" isn't the same as a "bar scene". I'm sure people are just flocking to Zion National Park for its beer. :joy:

(As for Provo, it's twice the size of New Brunswick... hardly Ocean City.)
 
A "bar with nice scenery" isn't the same as a "bar scene". I'm sure people are just flocking to Zion National Park for its beer. :joy:

(As for Provo, it's twice the size of New Brunswick... hardly Ocean City.)

That's not a bar; it's a microbrewery, which spoke to the original conversation, not the new one you're only introducing now. We weren't talking about a "bar scene," which I wouldn't even address since I'm not 22 and don't care about. Your language was "beer scene", and I think we just had a different understanding of the term. I read it as "Utah beer" scene, i.e. local microbrews, which I will now say outright beats NJ's hands down, whereas it seems you meant it as Utah "beer scene," to include all forms of beers and beer drinking establishments, which NJ wins. Either way, it's not as bad as Alaskan pizza :smiley:

As for Provo, it wasn't about size, but culture. That's a pretty conservative Mormon city, to which no one would travel with grand hopes of discovering the next big craze in beer. SLC, Park City, Ogden, Moab, ski resorts ... all make it pretty easy to find a good beer, and yep, all with pretty nice scenery. And if you really want to party, it takes about as long to fly to Vegas from SLC as it does to drive to NYC or Philly from central Jersey.
 
That's not a bar; it's a microbrewery, which spoke to the original conversation, not the new one you're only introducing now. We weren't talking about a "bar scene," which I wouldn't even address since I'm not 22 and don't care about. Your language was "beer scene", and I think we just had a different understanding of the term. I read it as "Utah beer" scene, i.e. local microbrews, which I will now say outright beats NJ's hands down, whereas it seems you meant it as Utah "beer scene," to include all forms of beers and beer drinking establishments, which NJ wins. Either way, it's not as bad as Alaskan pizza :smiley:

As for Provo, it wasn't about size, but culture. That's a pretty conservative Mormon city, to which no one would travel with grand hopes of discovering the next big craze in beer. SLC, Park City, Ogden, Moab, ski resorts ... all make it pretty easy to find a good beer, and yep, all with pretty nice scenery. And if you really want to party, it takes about as long to fly to Vegas from SLC as it does to drive to NYC or Philly from central Jersey.

Yeah, it seems we have two different definitions of a good "beer scene".

Mine is "easy ability to purchase and enjoy a wide variety of good craft and international beers, both in bottle and on tap, within a short/reasonable drive"... not "high quality of beer brewed in that geography". Philly's gastropubs usually don't brew their own beer, for instance, but they're a big part of what I'd consider the Philly "beer scene".

Utah is much, much better when measured against your definition than mine... but I agree that it's better than Alaskan attempts at "pizza" in either view. :D (then again, that's not a high bar to clear).

(As for the use of "bar scene" - it was a play on words for scene/scenery. Probably should have gone with "a beer in nice scenery" vs. "beer scene".)
 
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I tried Hawaian with ham and pineapple a few months ago. Not my favorite but it wasn't bad especially with Sirracha. Good topping for a change of pace.

My favorite is meatball sand onion.
 
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