OFFICIAL NET Thread - 2022/23
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It seems a bit absurd that a team can move 10 spots for one game this last in the season.
It happened last year around this time too, Loyola Chicago jumped about 8-9 spots from the 30s to the 20s after beating Evansville or someone like that by 50.
Every game is worth 1/30th in theory. Whether the first game or last night. Goes to show (a) how close the metrics are in the middle right now, and (b) how important blowouts are to the NET. Would be nice if we just destroy Minnesota again tomorrow and jump 5-6 more spots but might be too much to ask
Mississippi St beat a bad South Carolina by 6 and fell 5 spots
Same vicinity as Minnesota
Rutgers needs to win by 15 just to maintain
Same vicinity as Minnesota
Rutgers needs to win by 15 just to maintain
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If we win at all it’s gravy. Win by 1 and we go to a 10 seed instead of the 8/9 game so be it
Indiana was the favorite by -6 and they lost by 22 at home. Same happened to us when Nebraska had the big comeback win it carried over at Rutgers, Iowa's lucky win vs Mich St carried over @ Indiana.
Analytically, it was a -28 in of 1/30. = a 14/15 drop of -0.933 drop is a big drop when so many teams are clustered up close at the top.
Analytically, it was a -28 in of 1/30. = a 14/15 drop of -0.933 drop is a big drop when so many teams are clustered up close at the top.
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Amazingly, OSU goes 2-14 in their last 16 and is still only a Q1 loss and a Q2 win for us. Was sure this was going to be worse.
Not 15.. in theory it should be somewhere close to the spread or Bart spread.. 8-11 points.
This moving in and out of the top 30 is just damn stupid. 30 is Quad 1 and 31 is Quad 2. Really ? How ridiculous for the Committee counting one differently than the other. In most years there is a top 15-maybe 20 and 20 -50 or even to 70 is like splitting hairs. This year we are lucky if we have 10 teams that are a cut above the rest ( Frankly I believe almost none or at most 5 teams ) and not a whole lot of difference between 11-60.
If you are going to have categories, they have to cut off somewhere.
The people looking at the team sheets can still see that it's #31 or whatever.
yep....the thing is the committee isnt stupid, it doesnt matter if Indiana is 29 or 33 its still a great quality win
what needs to change is getting Q1 wins by winning on the road vs shitty teams like Colorado
what needs to change is getting Q1 wins by winning on the road vs shitty teams like Colorado
I was thinking that from the start in 2018-19 how they created the 1-30/31-75/76-160/160+ Quad system. I know the Neutral court was based on the old RPI system 1-50/51-100/101-200/200+, not sure of road numbers came about 1-75/76-135/135-240/240+ either, given that there was 353 teams at that time, now 363.
Quads should be based off a % of D1 schools, ex. 0.01%-10%/ 10.01%-25%/ 25.01%-50%/ 50.01%-100%, or even the # of at large bids available, 36, neutral splitting the difference, 18, like
Home 1-36/37-72/73-144/145+
Neutral 1-54/55-108/109-180/181+
Road 1-72/73-144/145-216/217+
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Not that bad of a drop really all things considered
Wisconsin dropped to 77 so now Q2 win instead of Q1
Wisconsin will throttle Minnesota this weekend and get back to Q1. No doubt about that.
Minnesota goes from 240 to 227 into Quad 3 territory. Our losses , so called “bad losses” are to 85 Seton Hall , 93 Nebraska 122 Temple and 227 Minnesota. Our wins excluding Quad 4 which is what Minnesota home 90-55 win was , are at #5 # Purdue ; # 25 Maryland # 29 Indiana , # 31 Michigan State # 45 Northwestern # 56 Penn State 2x, # 60 Ohio State , at # 77 Wisconsin , # 86 Wake Forest .( 4 of those wins in dominating fashion ).
I think the wins outdo the losses but it still sucks that we were leading the whole game yesterday for 39. 59 minutes and the only lead Minnesota had was at the buzzer.
That sad thing is, we are still Q1 5-6 Q2 4-2 for a Q1/2 of 9-8
If we beat NW at home puts us at Q1/2 10-8, with 4 Q3 losses at 2-4
Last year, Miami(FL) got in Q1 4-3 Q2 5-4 a 9-7 Q1/2 record after ACC tournament, and had 3 Q3 losses but 9-3 Q3 record
Seton Hall 85, Nebraska 92, Temple 122, Minnesota 227
Miami lost 3 home games 83 Virginia, 101 UCF, 106 FSU
If we beat NW at home puts us at Q1/2 10-8, with 4 Q3 losses at 2-4
Last year, Miami(FL) got in Q1 4-3 Q2 5-4 a 9-7 Q1/2 record after ACC tournament, and had 3 Q3 losses but 9-3 Q3 record
Seton Hall 85, Nebraska 92, Temple 122, Minnesota 227
Miami lost 3 home games 83 Virginia, 101 UCF, 106 FSU
Still numb from last night....
RU to #38
Results:
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
5 - @Purdue (W)
25 - Maryland (W)
29 - Indiana (W)
29 - @Indiana (L)
31 - @MSU (L)
33 - @Iowa (L)
34 - @Illinois (L)
35 - @Miami (L)
45 - @Northwestern (W)
57 - @Penn St (W)
60 - @Ohio St (L*)
Q2 (31-75 Home 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
31 - MSU (W - *"home")
33 - Iowa (L)
54 - Michigan (L)
57 - Penn St (W)
60 - Ohio St (W)
77 - @Wisconsin (W)
Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
85 - Seton Hall (L)
86 - Wake Forest (W)
93 - Nebraska (L)
122 - (N) Temple (L)
124 - UMass-Lowell (W)
227 - @Minnesota (L)
Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 241+ Away)
212 - Rider (W)
227 - Minnesota (W)
298 - Bucknell (W)
326 - Sacred Heart (W)
328 - Coppin St (W)
340 - Columbia (W)
342 - Central CT St (W)
Upcoming
Q2 (31-75 Home, 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
45 - Northwestern
Notes
- Wisconsin to Q3
- Indiana on the cusp of Q2
- Closed teams to us in NET that have 4 Q3 losses are #77 Colorado, #78 Marshall, and #87 Hofstra
RU to #38
Results:
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
5 - @Purdue (W)
25 - Maryland (W)
29 - Indiana (W)
29 - @Indiana (L)
31 - @MSU (L)
33 - @Iowa (L)
34 - @Illinois (L)
35 - @Miami (L)
45 - @Northwestern (W)
57 - @Penn St (W)
60 - @Ohio St (L*)
Q2 (31-75 Home 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
31 - MSU (W - *"home")
33 - Iowa (L)
54 - Michigan (L)
57 - Penn St (W)
60 - Ohio St (W)
77 - @Wisconsin (W)
Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
85 - Seton Hall (L)
86 - Wake Forest (W)
93 - Nebraska (L)
122 - (N) Temple (L)
124 - UMass-Lowell (W)
227 - @Minnesota (L)
Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 241+ Away)
212 - Rider (W)
227 - Minnesota (W)
298 - Bucknell (W)
326 - Sacred Heart (W)
328 - Coppin St (W)
340 - Columbia (W)
342 - Central CT St (W)
Upcoming
Q2 (31-75 Home, 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
45 - Northwestern
Notes
- Wisconsin to Q3
- Indiana on the cusp of Q2
- Closed teams to us in NET that have 4 Q3 losses are #77 Colorado, #78 Marshall, and #87 Hofstra
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We are # 37 Sunday morning . Seton Hall from 85 to 74 so into Quad 2 loss from Quad 3. Purdue # 5; Maryland #26, Indiana# 28, MSU # 31, Iowa #34,, Illinois #35, NW # 45, Penn State #57; Michigan # 53 , Ohio State # 63 ; Wisconsin # 78; Nebraska # 94
So 9-8 against above teams and 10-9 with Minnesota . We have the highest BIG wins and also the lowest loss away at Minnesota can be considered as a so called “ bad loss”. Kentucky lost to South Carolina 228 and Minnesota is # 230 and I do not see the cruxifixation of Kentucky like RU is getting on these boards. Have some perspective when comparing resumes.
Wake # 90, UMASS Lowell up to # 112, Temple # 121, Miami 35. RU wins pretty decent , RU losses not terrible We have enough top end wins plus 4 BIG 10 road wins ( should be 5 with OSU screwup) to not be in the bubble area and should be a solid 9 or maybe first # 10. Road wins are valued and top end wins are valued. Just an opinion.
So 9-8 against above teams and 10-9 with Minnesota . We have the highest BIG wins and also the lowest loss away at Minnesota can be considered as a so called “ bad loss”. Kentucky lost to South Carolina 228 and Minnesota is # 230 and I do not see the cruxifixation of Kentucky like RU is getting on these boards. Have some perspective when comparing resumes.
Wake # 90, UMASS Lowell up to # 112, Temple # 121, Miami 35. RU wins pretty decent , RU losses not terrible We have enough top end wins plus 4 BIG 10 road wins ( should be 5 with OSU screwup) to not be in the bubble area and should be a solid 9 or maybe first # 10. Road wins are valued and top end wins are valued. Just an opinion.
because RU has more of these losses. Minnesota is Q3 but as bad as those other Q4s
ru is below 500 vs Q1,2,3
Temple and Nebraska are Q3 losses...we are lucky for now SHU isnt in that catagory anymore.
wins vs wake and umass lowell are crap..meaingless, ru has a sos of 307 i think now non conference
Wins against Wake and Umass-Lowell are what are keeping our Q3 record at 2-3 instead of 0-3.
great but almost every school has them, no one is saying ooh they beat those schools, how great for them
You value things a little differently. Kentucky ‘s loss to South Carolina who is next to Minnesota was a wire to wire South Carolina win. We got beat on a buzzer beater blowing a 7-14 point lead for like 25-30 minutes. I believe and I think the committee should use something called game control which is a metric they use in football. Controlling a game for 39 minutes is awfully different than Kentucky ‘s wire to wire loss to South Carolina. I would argue 2x worse.
Rutgers doesn’t have any other bad losses. None from a metrics standpoint . You say Temple and I say # 1 Houston lost to Temple on their home floor and was beating them for 25 minutes at home before they lost the rematch. They are an inconsistent team and lose to teams worse than them but they are “not trash”.
Kentucky had 2 Quad 3 losses and a Quad 4 loss . No reason to treat Kentucky different than Rutgers other than the name on the front of their jersey.
I agree BUT because of the name in their jersey they will be treated different than us..same will go for UNC
No one is trashing those wins like you do occasionally in your comments. Every single team 1-100 has warts they cannot be ignored. I think being close and seeing our team daily results in the team being scrutinized for some losses that all other teams have buy maybe at a different part of the schedule
Money money money first and foremost
Fairness, the sport etc distant seconds
It’s entertainment to get revenue first people have to get paid
RU to #40 (down to 8th in the B1G)
Results:
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
5 - @Purdue (W)
26 - Maryland (W)
29 - Indiana (W)
29 - @Indiana (L)
31 - @MSU (L)
33 - @Illinois (L)
35 - @Miami (L)
37 - @Iowa (L)
38 - @Northwestern (W)
56 - @Penn St (W)
63 - @Ohio St (L*)
Q2 (31-75 Home 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
31 - MSU (W - *"home")
37 - Iowa (L)
38 - Northwestern (L)
54 - Michigan (L)
56 - Penn St (W)
63 - Ohio St (W)
75 - Seton Hall (L)
78 - @Wisconsin (W)
Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
91 - Wake Forest (W)
92 - Nebraska (L)
115 - UMass-Lowell (W)
121 - (N) Temple (L)
231 - @Minnesota (L)
Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 241+ Away)
211 - Rider (W)
231 - Minnesota (W)
298 - Bucknell (W)
326 - Coppin St (W)
327 - Sacred Heart (W)
340 - Columbia (W)
342 - Central CT St (W)
Upcoming
Q2 (31-75 Home, 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
54 - (N) Michigan
Notes
- SHU tentatively back in Q2
- MSU knocking on the door of Q1
Results:
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
5 - @Purdue (W)
26 - Maryland (W)
29 - Indiana (W)
29 - @Indiana (L)
31 - @MSU (L)
33 - @Illinois (L)
35 - @Miami (L)
37 - @Iowa (L)
38 - @Northwestern (W)
56 - @Penn St (W)
63 - @Ohio St (L*)
Q2 (31-75 Home 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
31 - MSU (W - *"home")
37 - Iowa (L)
38 - Northwestern (L)
54 - Michigan (L)
56 - Penn St (W)
63 - Ohio St (W)
75 - Seton Hall (L)
78 - @Wisconsin (W)
Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
91 - Wake Forest (W)
92 - Nebraska (L)
115 - UMass-Lowell (W)
121 - (N) Temple (L)
231 - @Minnesota (L)
Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 241+ Away)
211 - Rider (W)
231 - Minnesota (W)
298 - Bucknell (W)
326 - Coppin St (W)
327 - Sacred Heart (W)
340 - Columbia (W)
342 - Central CT St (W)
Upcoming
Q2 (31-75 Home, 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
54 - (N) Michigan
Notes
- SHU tentatively back in Q2
- MSU knocking on the door of Q1
Wake is 91 in NET and might move up a couple spots with their win today. A big win over Miami tomorrow might (probably wouldn’t) get them to Q2, but we still need to root against them for bid-stealing purposes.
Same with Wiscy. They’re 78 and would possibly move to Q1 with a win tonight, but we obviously need to root against that happening.
Same with Wiscy. They’re 78 and would possibly move to Q1 with a win tonight, but we obviously need to root against that happening.
RU to #38 (6th in the B1G)
Results:
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
5 - @Purdue (W)
28 - Maryland (W)
30 - Indiana (W)
30 - @Indiana (L)
31 - @MSU (L)
34 - @Miami (L)
35 - @Illinois (L)
40 - @Iowa (L)
41 - @Northwestern (W)
54 - @Penn St (W)
56 - @Ohio St (L*)
Q2 (31-75 Home 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
31 - MSU (W - *"home")
40 - Iowa (L)
41 - Northwestern (L)
54 - Penn St (W)
56 - Ohio St (W)
58 - (N) Michigan (W)
58 - Michigan (L)
81 - @Wisconsin (W)
Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
78 - Seton Hall (L)
90 - Wake Forest (W)
94 - Nebraska (L)
115 - UMass-Lowell (W)
120 - (N) Temple (L)
221 - @Minnesota (L)
Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 241+ Away)
216 - Rider (W)
221 - Minnesota (W)
293 - Bucknell (W)
326 - Sacred Heart (W)
327 - Coppin St (W)
341 - Columbia (W)
343 - Central CT St (W)
Upcoming
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
5 - (N) Purdue
Notes
- SHU to Q3
Results:
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
5 - @Purdue (W)
28 - Maryland (W)
30 - Indiana (W)
30 - @Indiana (L)
31 - @MSU (L)
34 - @Miami (L)
35 - @Illinois (L)
40 - @Iowa (L)
41 - @Northwestern (W)
54 - @Penn St (W)
56 - @Ohio St (L*)
Q2 (31-75 Home 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
31 - MSU (W - *"home")
40 - Iowa (L)
41 - Northwestern (L)
54 - Penn St (W)
56 - Ohio St (W)
58 - (N) Michigan (W)
58 - Michigan (L)
81 - @Wisconsin (W)
Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
78 - Seton Hall (L)
90 - Wake Forest (W)
94 - Nebraska (L)
115 - UMass-Lowell (W)
120 - (N) Temple (L)
221 - @Minnesota (L)
Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 241+ Away)
216 - Rider (W)
221 - Minnesota (W)
293 - Bucknell (W)
326 - Sacred Heart (W)
327 - Coppin St (W)
341 - Columbia (W)
343 - Central CT St (W)
Upcoming
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
5 - (N) Purdue
Notes
- SHU to Q3
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Always appreciate all the work, but want to point out that @wisconsin is upper q2
