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GAME 26 OREGON: Death Spiral

Ace and Dylan look like they are on absolute fumes out there...

Never seen guys grabbing at their shorts more than these two.

Ace two rebounds. Two?!?!?!?! Help defense absolutely non existent.

Dylan with one assist. No confidence in his outside shot and teams just sagging off him with help behind. Good luck.

The grabbing of the shorts has been happening all year long. Super out of shape for this level of ball

Five months ago

Ok, but for Pike that is his miracle run and the rest of his career has been mediocre. It’s no different than the Pike apologists saying he deserves more time because he won a tournament game. For RU alumni sadly that is a miracle run.

If there is someone here actually saying this then they are doing something similar but at least that one game is more consistent with the season as a whole. But again I would like you to show me this mythical poster.

Please see any poster creating reasons or excuses to explain away all of the fundamental problems Pike has and continues to have ,, they must be religious. When asked why they think it will get better or why they believe Pike deserves another year? The most frequent responses are pray and hope.

If that’s not a group of people believing Pike is their version of JC I don’t know what is.

His contact (and the fact we have no AD) dictates that he’s not going anywhere despite what anyone thinks. Obviously people here hope he does better because they are Rutgers fans.

Five months ago

When I say once in a lifetime I don’t literally mean something that specific person has done once lol. I mean a miracle run. For example taking a 15 seed that is rated like #150 and making the elite 8.

Having the #40 team and winning a 7/10 game is not a miracle run lol it’s just like a standard decent season



Can you find me one of these mythical people?
Ok, but for Pike that is his miracle run and the rest of his career has been mediocre. It’s no different than the Pike apologists saying he deserves more time because he won a tournament game. For RU alumni sadly that is a miracle run.

Please see any poster creating reasons or excuses to explain away all of the fundamental problems Pike has and continues to have ,, they must be religious. When asked why they think it will get better or why they believe Pike deserves another year? The most frequent responses are pray and hope.

If that’s not a group of people believing Pike is their version of JC I don’t know what is.
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Everyone is complaining about the offense, but ….

The issue this year has to do with 2 big Pike decisions that did not turn out well. First, he decided after he couldn’t get Williams or Carr , both ending up with Kentucky , that he would go into the year without a rim protector. If he thought Igbole would become one then that is malpractice. The amount of cleanup Cliff and Myles before him did when our guards got beat and they did get beat , was over the top in blocking shots or the threat of blocking shots. Now opposing players drive to the hoop like the parting of the Red Sea. Not getting a rim protector to play with Manny and Lathan was a huge huge mistake.
The second major mistake as it turned out , was his reliance on his transfers to make an appreciable difference and riding them early , to see almost all Jordan , Zach , PJ fall flat on their faces. He buried Grant and Dorsch because his reliance on Martini. Zach is a few minutes a night player , 15-20 on the high end , and you can make the argument he cost us the Alabama and Texas A&M games. Dylan and ACE played as well as any player or freshman in the country could have played and we still lost because of a few fundamental possessions. He kept on trotting them out when in December and throughout January and they hardly impacted games. Finally , the supporting cast has played a little better , not great or super impactful , but at least adequate the last 5-6 games.
Then all of a sudden ACE after having one of the best January’s that any BIG 10 player has had , has become passive on both ends of the floor in February and coupled with Dylan ( who had the illness and ankle injury to deal with ) have had 2 inexplicable games back to back causing the Iowa and Oregon losses. Nothing has gone right.
Pike betting on himself that he could get players to play defense when his roster includes , PJ , Acuff , Lathan , Jordan , ACE and Dylan , coupled with JMike and Jeremiah getting worse on defense , never happened. They cannot even stay in front of their own man , their sagging onto the paint when their defender goes thru the lane to the 3 point corner and they leave too much space and cannot recover to get out to the 3 point line Has played out over and over. We give up historic great 3 point shooting games to our opponents , whether they were in slumps ( Indiana and Michigan State and Oregon) or just good at it ( Maryland and Iowa ) .
His rotations 26 games in and playing 11 guys is pure lunacy. Why he subbed at the first timeout yesterday at Oregon , was batshit crazy. He has mismanaged the rotations as bad as any year and made the team have a worse record than it actually is . The lack of Senior or upperclass or any player leadership has not surfaced to help him out and he is just swimming now. It has turned into a hot mess.
I will go to war in the Big 10 with Dylan ACE Lathan Dylan Grant and Jeremiah as your starting 5 that are going to play 30 minutes . You have a fighting chance with those 5 and his last act of coaching for these last 5 games is to get all 5 of them attacking offensively. Pike as their coach has to demand defense from those 5 including Dylan and ACE . We can play with most teams with that 5 and stop with the automatic subbing and steal a minute or two around the timeouts. It is the only chance for these last 5.

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Five months ago

Agree you don’t turn down two five stars but the poster made it sound like Pike earned them. Dylan’s mom loved Pike and wasn’t it that Aces Godfather was in with Knight. Now it seems they may have come here because they could do whatever they wanted to while here.
Uhhhhhhhh Dylan's Mom loving Pike........isn't that part of recruiting?
Ace's godfather in with Knight.....................isn't that part of recruiting?
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Five months ago

Like Pike going on a once and a lifetime run into the second round against Houston?

When I say once in a lifetime I don’t literally mean something that specific person has done once lol. I mean a miracle run. For example taking a 15 seed that is rated like #150 and making the elite 8.

Having the #40 team and winning a 7/10 game is not a miracle run lol it’s just like a standard decent season

Not you but others believe him to be Jesus Christ using your same premise.

Can you find me one of these mythical people?

Everyone is complaining about the offense, but ….

Everyone’s complaining about the offense, but no one’s doing anything about it (including Pikiell)!

The problem, as mentioned in various posts above, is that Pike recruited offensive players from the portal and 5 freshmen (3 known primarily for their offensive prowess, and 2 that ‘weren’t ready’).

So, Pike had to know, for this year at least, he was gonna have to win with offense.

Five months ago

lol come on. How was the 21-22 team in Nov/Dec?

If we want to play that game we can make any team better or worse than any team. Nowhere does the word “defensively” appear in my post.



No. In the moment I would rather have what you call the result. But that’s irrelevant. The metrics are a better predictor of the future. If I had to bring one team back to run it again, the 22-23 team has a better chance of making the tournament.

Sure, I’d rather have a mediocre team and get lucky than a good team and get unlucky. But luck is not a strategy and it’s also not controllable.

Your kinds of view is how people end up convinced, for example, that certain coaches who went on once in a lifetime runs to the elite eight are the next coming of Jesus Christ despite the entire rest of their career being mediocre.
Like Pike going on a once and a lifetime run into the second round against Houston? Not you but others believe him to be Jesus Christ using your same premise.
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Everyone is complaining about the offense, but ….

The issue this year has to do with 2 big Pike decisions that did not turn out well. First, he decided after he couldn’t get Williams or Carr , both ending up with Kentucky , that he would go into the year without a rim protector. If he thought Igbole would become one then that is malpractice. The amount of cleanup Cliff and Myles before him did when our guards got beat and they did get beat , was over the top in blocking shots or the threat of blocking shots. Now opposing players drive to the hoop like the parting of the Red Sea. Not getting a rim protector to play with Manny and Lathan was a huge huge mistake.
The second major mistake as it turned out , was his reliance on his transfers to make an appreciable difference and riding them early , to see almost all Jordan , Zach , PJ fall flat on their faces. He buried Grant and Dorsch because his reliance on Martini. Zach is a few minutes a night player , 15-20 on the high end , and you can make the argument he cost us the Alabama and Texas A&M games. Dylan and ACE played as well as any player or freshman in the country could have played and we still lost because of a few fundamental possessions. He kept on trotting them out when in December and throughout January and they hardly impacted games. Finally , the supporting cast has played a little better , not great or super impactful , but at least adequate the last 5-6 games.
Then all of a sudden ACE after having one of the best January’s that any BIG 10 player has had , has become passive on both ends of the floor in February and coupled with Dylan ( who had the illness and ankle injury to deal with ) have had 2 inexplicable games back to back causing the Iowa and Oregon losses. Nothing has gone right.
Pike betting on himself that he could get players to play defense when his roster includes , PJ , Acuff , Lathan , Jordan , ACE and Dylan , coupled with JMike and Jeremiah getting worse on defense , never happened. They cannot even stay in front of their own man , their sagging onto the paint when their defender goes thru the lane to the 3 point corner and they leave too much space and cannot recover to get out to the 3 point line Has played out over and over. We give up historic great 3 point shooting games to our opponents , whether they were in slumps ( Indiana and Michigan State and Oregon) or just good at it ( Maryland and Iowa ) .
His rotations 26 games in and playing 11 guys is pure lunacy. Why he subbed at the first timeout yesterday at Oregon , was batshit crazy. He has mismanaged the rotations as bad as any year and made the team have a worse record than it actually is . The lack of Senior or upperclass or any player leadership has not surfaced to help him out and he is just swimming now. It has turned into a hot mess.
I will go to war in the Big 10 with Dylan ACE Lathan Dylan Grant and Jeremiah as your starting 5 that are going to play 30 minutes . You have a fighting chance with those 5 and his last act of coaching for these last 5 games is to get all 5 of them attacking offensively. Pike as their coach has to demand defense from those 5 including Dylan and ACE . We can play with most teams with that 5 and stop with the automatic subbing and steal a minute or two around the timeouts. It is the only chance for these last 5.

Ace and Dylan Top 3? Sorry. Don’t see it…

Considering how awful Ace and Dylan appear to be and it seems they won't ever develop - good thing they are leaving.

Imagine being saddled with Ace and Dylan in 3 years?

Ugh. What a terrible waste of roster space that would be......

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I don’t even agree with this thread but you put up the most amazing straw men sometimes lol.

Does saying someone isn’t a top 3 pick imply they are terrible?

Is there a single poster on this entire website who wouldn’t be thrilled to have Ace and Dylan if we knew they would be here 2 more years?
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