Once again, those buyout numbers are not what it would cost to fire Pike. It's worse than you guys realize.

The number to fire Pike is currently around $24M (represents what he's still owed through 2031) and goes down by $4M (his annual salary) per year.

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When was Martini a defensive liability?

These numbers just can't conveniently be ignored.

You can't just say Rutgers gives up way fewer points when Martini is in the game...A FACT....and then just say so what.

Sorry against Michigan Martini was impactful.

rutgersdave said:

Yes because 95% of the time I don’t lose money but yes, I might make more leaving it in. My sister leave it in and doesn’t really look at it.

However, if I’m scared of losing money why am I in the stock market? I should put everything in treasuries bonds and CD. I also play poker and won 6 out of the last 7 times I played. Most people that I played at home don’t play at a casino because they found they lose money at casinos.

I think there are people that sense danger and I’m one of them.

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You sense danger and pull out of the market literally every week (and miss out on so much). You are way too jittery. Can't live life scared.

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Leonard23 said:

NJCU in talks to be bought by Kean or Montclair State.

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Had to look that up, never even knew it existed.

Recently Jersey top ranked kids have pretty much underperformed their ranking at the collegiate level for the most part, plus as noted above everybody is chasing NIL, so now you have money and ego involved. if you are going to spend dollars you better be damn sure you are buying performance, its so much easier to grade players who have already played collegiately for 3-4 yrs. Plus you need to reward current players on your two deep to insure they remain, Schiano has done a great job with this difficult balancing with developed players and portal additions and incoming recruits

MADHAT1 said:

the buyout makes it relevant
Buyout

• 2023-24: $15 million
• 2024-25: $13 million
• 2025-26: $11 million
• 2026-27: $9 million
• 2027-28: $7 million
• 2028-29: $5 million
• 2029-30: $3 million
• 2030-31: $1 million

Rutgers hates buyouts and usually tries to keep the HC until the end of contract unless they can find a so cause
The 2029-30 season is when, in my opinion, RU will be willing to pony up and dump Pike if the MBB program isn't doing too well

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These amounts are not what Rutgers owes Pike if Rutgers fires him. The figures are what Pike owes Rutgers if he leaves.

If Rutgers fires Pike after this season, Rutgers owes Pike $24 million.

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MADHAT1 said:

the buyout makes it relevant
Buyout

• 2023-24: $15 million
• 2024-25: $13 million
• 2025-26: $11 million
• 2026-27: $9 million
• 2027-28: $7 million
• 2028-29: $5 million
• 2029-30: $3 million
• 2030-31: $1 million

Rutgers hates buyouts and usually tries to keep the HC until the end of contract unless they can find a so cause
The 2029-30 season is when, in my opinion, RU will be willing to pony up and dump Pike if the MBB program isn't doing too well

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Hobbs was a turd

Greene Rice FIG said:

uhhhhh. not the best arguement I've ever heard

this one on the other hand.....

which is why I believe he could be the most impactful defender and is quite frankly what this metric could be saying

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On/Off metrics aren't worth looking at to me, given their limitations. There are just too many variables unaccounted for.

Martini was a defensive liability mid-season, and now is suddenly our most valuable defender? Give me a break. Ogbole got hurt, meaning Martini is the life preserver keeping us afloat. That doesn't mean he's an "impactful" defender... just that he's serviceable on a team short on experienced bigs. On/Off metrics can make "average" look "good", because the numbers are squirrelly.

Martini's been playing well the last few games, and I hope he keeps that up - but to make a broad statement that he's the "most impactful defensive player" this season in limited minutes is a bridge too far.

rutgersdave said:

FOLM?

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Fear of losing money....

RU is now #75
Q1: 3-9 / Q2: 2-0 / Q3: 0-2 / Q4: 6-0

Results:
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
6 - (N)Alabama (L)
10 - Purdue (L)
14 - (N)Texas A&M (L)
16 - Wisconsin (L)
17 - Michigan (L)
20 - MSU (at MSG) (L)
26 - @OSU (L)
28 - UCLA (W)
50 - @Nebraska (W)
54 - @PSU (L)
57 - @Northwestern (W)
65 - @Indiana (L)

Q2 (31-75 Home 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
48 - PSU (W)
93 - (N)Notre Dame (W)

Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
126 - (N)Princeton (L)
160 - @Kennesaw St (L)

Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 241+ Away)
178 - Merrimack (W)
204 - SHU (W)
227 - Columbia (W)
265 - Monmouth (W)
281 - St. Peters (W)
332 - Wagner (W)

Upcoming
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
10 - @Purdue
12 - Illinois
15- @Maryland
17 - @Michigan
37 - @Oregon

Q2 (31-75 Home, 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
63 - Iowa
68 - USC
94 - @Washington

Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
101 - Minnesota

Notes:
- Notre Dame trying very hard to drop out of Q2 and give us a Q3 win
- UCLA now a Q1 win
- Getting really hard to even care enough to do this list periodically

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Rutgers NJ said:

Kind of like how the catch phrase he's Hitler and we must save Democracy has been tossed around no matter what the topic I guess. Either way you look at it, we all fly and we need to hear went wrong to correct it, no matter what it turns out to be. That's a fair request, no?

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Who said that they shouldn't investigate and let us know what happened? The problem is that people think they are entitled to be given information every single step of the way here. You aren't.

But the downside to that is the vacuum is then filled with the conspiracies that explode on social media. People then think they can investigate themselves and suddenly they are down rabbit holes from sources that confirm their bias, etc.

Take the pilot's family taking down her social media. Suddenly the conspiracies start flying despite the fact there could be a very valid reason for that. Like maybe the family was afraid given the whole DEI craziness that people would start flooding her pages, contacting them, contacting friends, etc. We have learned that there is a subset of our society that are crazy and have zero compassion and are easily duped so it's not surprising (and nor is this the only time it's happened in a tragic event like this) where a family removes social media access for fear of what people might do. Just look at what people did to those Sandy Hook families after having their heads filled with BS by Alex Jones.

If her social media page has value in the investigation, then let the NTSB and military get it. What we don't need are some internet Columbos out there harassing the family. If that's why her social media pages were taken down, and I suspect that's the case given the immediate rush to blame DEI for this, I totally understand the family there.

RUBlackout7 said:

Remember when this site would shout anyone down who talked negatively about Hobbs or Pike, even though it was clear that we were not headed in the right direction? Thanks @Richie O

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No, when was that?

RUChoppin said:

That doesn't mean Martini's our "most impactful defensive player", though, especially since he's averaging just 15.2 min across 22 games (2 games he had 0 minutes).

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uhhhhh. not the best arguement I've ever heard

RUChoppin said:

In a hypothetical situation, you could have two elite defenders who split a position 20/20, and their +/- would be pretty much identical to each other in the middle of the pack.... and at the same time, you could have another position where there was an average and a poor defender also splitting 20/20. That average defender is going to look much better in an on/off metric than the two elite defenders.

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this one on the other hand.....

RUChoppin said:

It just means the bigs we have behind him right now can be liabilities.

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which is why I believe he could be the most impactful defender and is quite frankly what this metric could be saying