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wow ATM flushing $75 million. Having trouble wrapping my head around this. Is an Oil baron paying the bill?
Flushing?
The booster club presented a check for over 100 million at halftime of the game simply to troll Jimbo. Money is no object to these boosters
 
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Guy is a cuck who routinely shits the bed in big games and wouldn’t have won shit without Jameis Winston and a generational defense

I’ll give him credit for hiring Jimmy Sexton - hes fleeced the best of on a regular basis to his and Jimbo benefit

But anyone who’s followed him knows the deal. Overrated coach, d bag of epic proportions and complete ass clown in every sense of the word
Jaded FSU fan
Guy was 83-23 for you
And a school that had to pay Taggert 21 million really shouldn’t talk
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Arnett becomes a DC candidate for Lincoln Riley at USC.

 
Jaded FSU fan
Guy was 83-23 for you
And a school that had to pay Taggert 21 million really shouldn’t talk
Jaded nothing

Guy walks out the door talking shit, that’s about as low class as it gets

you leave with class, take your money and and appreciate the abundant opportunities given to you

Thanks to Stan Wilcox, we made a massive mistake with Willie, but immediately corrected it and are absolutely rolling right now

I’ll never hose man for bettering his situation and taking money, but I will not tolerate that guy talking shit about a school and program as prestigious as FSU on the way out because he’s trying to justify getting the bag

I appreciate everything he did there, but the way he left the program in shambles, with all the discipline issues, academic situations, and talking shit, the me that is completely unacceptable and completely low Class way to leave, which is why as a man I have zero respect for him as a man
 
Jaded nothing

Guy walks out the door talking shit, that’s about as low class as it gets

you leave with class, take your money and and appreciate the abundant opportunities given to you

Thanks to Stan Wilcox, we made a massive mistake with Willie, but immediately corrected it and are absolutely rolling right now

I’ll never hose man for bettering his situation and taking money, but I will not tolerate that guy talking shit about a school and program as prestigious as FSU on the way out because he’s trying to justify getting the bag

I appreciate everything he did there, but the way he left the program in shambles, with all the discipline issues, academic situations, and talking shit, the me that is completely unacceptable and completely low Class way to leave, which is why as a man I have zero respect for him as a man
Can you please post all these horrible comments where he was talking sh$t. Everything Iv Weber seen is pretty normal. Loved my time, great place but I needed more from the administration and A&M Is all in type stuff
Same thing your women’s soccer coach said before bailing
 
Can you please post all these horrible comments where he was talking sh$t. Everything Iv Weber seen is pretty normal. Loved my time, great place but I needed more from the administration and A&M Is all in type stuff
Same thing your women’s soccer coach said before bailing
I’m boarding a flight but it’s been well
documented he said FSU didn’t provide the resources to win consistently at a high level

He stopped recruiting after the Bama game in 2017 and was changed man once the issues w his wife became public, Monk died and his sons health started becoming problematic

Kirokian wanted huge money and thankfully Alford told him to go scratch as womens soccer isn’t money maker

FB ranked 4 and soccer ranked 1 - both undefeated, sick recruiting, big $ donations, NIL, legit shot for natties this year & bright futures ahead

Me thinks things have turned out just fine for both programs who’s respective coaches decided they no longer wanted to coach in Tallahassee
 
I’m boarding a flight but it’s been well
documented he said FSU didn’t provide the resources to win consistently at a high level

He stopped recruiting after the Bama game in 2017 and was changed man once the issues w his wife became public, Monk died and his sons health started becoming problematic

Kirokian wanted huge money and thankfully Alford told him to go scratch as womens soccer isn’t money maker

FB ranked 4 and soccer ranked 1 - both undefeated, sick recruiting, big $ donations, NIL, legit shot for natties this year & bright futures ahead

Me thinks things have turned out just fine for both programs who’s respective coaches decided they no longer wanted to coach in Tallahassee
Ok. So in a nutshell it’s not ok for coaches to publicly state they don’t get the support they see at others schools. But it is ok for your AD to publicly lie to your soccer coach.
 
I know MSU was in a weird situation with this hire but that’s now 2 of their last 3 coaches that got really quick hooks. They will need to pay big in my opinion. I’d like to see Lashlee there
Don’t love it for Leipold except for the ease at which he can grab JUCO’s there
I think Lashlee, Lebby seem realistic for Miss State. I'd say Herman too but he might need to do more at FAU.

I don't think Leipold would go there. An Athletic article by Feldman on A&M said he was high on their list. I was surprised by that. Not that he isn't good and I like him but didn't think they would look towards him. He's also there for MSU as well.

Chadwell is 10-0 at Liberty and after his nice stint at Coastal Carolina, he might wait to see what else might come along but it is in the south and I've read his wife prefers that.
 
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My take:
* A QB that is in year 3 of his development should be much further along than GW.
* With that in mind, our coaches do not put our players in the position to get the most from their skills. Been that way for a long time. That contributes to why some guys excel at NFL, as they are bright and so freaking thirsty for good coaching.
* We were spoiled by our last punter.
* Marco and LJ were our last TEs that actually looked like TEs. I’d take Rashod Kent over our current guys, but again, coaching plays a big role.
* Greg is a lovely man. He will NEVER ”coach” the team in a way that brings consistent winning.

Oh, and get off my lawn!

Flushing?
The booster club presented a check for over 100 million at halftime of the game simply to troll Jimbo. Money is no object to these boosters
Majority of the buyout is paid by athletic department, not boosters.
 
Majority of the buyout is paid by athletic department, not boosters.
Yes on paper but the boosters just handed that athletic department a check to cover 100% of the costs and then some. You think it’s a coincidence?
 
@rutgersguy1 is this the year Jason Candle finally makes the jump? About to win another MAC division title
 
@rutgersguy1 is this the year Jason Candle finally makes the jump? About to win another MAC division title
Other than MSU, I don't really see his name bandied about much. Even for MSU, his name is down the list. I suppose it could happen from a domino kind of effect. Some coach moves from P5 to P5 and then Candle's name gets out there.

Would IU fire Allen with 20M buyout? If that happens, I suppose Candle could be a possibility for them. Other midwest teams have just recently hired their coaches so not sure Candle has many options in that region. Maybe if Campbell gets taken from ISU (although haven't seen his once hot name come up much either) than Candle could follow his footsteps again.
 
It is going to cost them big dollars to get a new coach too. What coach would go there knowing the money Jimbo received and not ask for the sky.
 
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Fisher's inevitable firing puts expectations at some programs into perspective. He was 20 games over 500. The SEC is just a different universe.
I don't think expectations were that out of wack for the amount of money TA&M and the talent they are able to recruit/composate. they should be expected to be a top 10-15 team every year. I think they had the number 1 class in 2022 and multiple top 10 classes before that.

To me it shows that it can't just he a top coach/name coach but one that is a good fit for the program and still hungry to win, and most importantly, be able to get the most out of their players. That is the metric athletic directors should look for.. how much was the coach able to out perform with the talent they recruited.
 
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Ok. So in a nutshell it’s not ok for coaches to publicly state they don’t get the support they see at others schools. But it is ok for your AD to publicly lie to your soccer coach.
Here's the exact quote


“You can have the greatest coaches in the world, but if the administration doesn’t see things in the way you see things, and allow you to do things that way, nothing can be achieved.”

Which was nonsense as the money was being raised for the facilities and he knew the financial situatuion we were in

Additionally, Jimbo went around town publicaly bashing the admin and everyone associated w/the athletic department well before he left, and after he announced he was leaving as well.

Tally is small, things get around. My man couldn't just keep his mouth shut and take the money, had to go out swinging like an ahole

Re. Alford, he didn't lie to Kirkorian. Colborn told him to relax during Covid as Kirk was trying to shake them down. Colborn leaves, Mike tells him No Dice on the big raise, we'll give you X. Kirk says that doesn't work, Alford says "see ya later."

I don't mind banter and love talking sports, but you're knowledge about both situations is suspect at best
 
I don't think expectations were that out of wack for the amount of money TA&M and the talent they are able to recruit/composate. they should be expected to be a top 10-15 team every year. I think they had the number 1 class in 2022 and multiple top 10 classes before that.

To me it shows that it can't just he a top coach/name coach but one that is a good fit for the program and still hungry to win, and most importantly, be able to get the most out of their players. That is the metric athletic directors should look for.. how much was the coach able to out perform with the talent they recruited.
IIRC did they not have to suspend or dismiss some players toward the end of last season. Seems like Fisher lost control of the locker room going back to last year. If kids are not buying into what the coach is selling you cannot be successful as a program.
 
Here's the exact quote


“You can have the greatest coaches in the world, but if the administration doesn’t see things in the way you see things, and allow you to do things that way, nothing can be achieved.”

Which was nonsense as the money was being raised for the facilities and he knew the financial situatuion we were in

Additionally, Jimbo went around town publicaly bashing the admin and everyone associated w/the athletic department well before he left, and after he announced he was leaving as well.

Tally is small, things get around. My man couldn't just keep his mouth shut and take the money, had to go out swinging like an ahole

Re. Alford, he didn't lie to Kirkorian. Colborn told him to relax during Covid as Kirk was trying to shake them down. Colborn leaves, Mike tells him No Dice on the big raise, we'll give you X. Kirk says that doesn't work, Alford says "see ya later."

I don't mind banter and love talking sports, but you're knowledge about both situations is suspect at best
This bashing occurred six years ago. How much of the facilities have been built.
Again, you are a fan you see everything through an FSU fans eyes. No different than your conference expansion comments.
Kirk wasn’t shaking them down. They had an agreement and Alford didn’t honor it. Ok fine but then don’t cry when your coaches leave for greener pastures and don’t honor their side of the agreement
 
This bashing occurred six years ago. How much of the facilities have been built.
Again, you are a fan you see everything through an FSU fans eyes. No different than your conference expansion comments.
Kirk wasn’t shaking them down. They had an agreement and Alford didn’t honor it. Ok fine but then don’t cry when your coaches leave for greener pastures and don’t honor their side of the agreement
Everything was already there when we won the natty in 13 sans the FOF - so he was already way off base during his initial bashing

FOF broke ground this year

FOF delay = Between the Willy hiring / firing / buyout, Covid, hiring Norvell and Alford getting promoted, the initial date / proposals got changed & pushed back

Conference expansion = I stand by my 2025 prediction as that’s what was conveyed to me again this weekend

Yes, Kirk was shaking them down. He never discussed it w Alford. Colburn was AD when he started chirping (it actually started with Waldo, but escalated when Colburn came on board)

A & M is not, has never, and will never be greener pastures than FSU on this or any other planet

The place is a cesspool of underachieving weirdos who have never won anything despite having every concirvable advantage known to man

Meanwhile, FSU is a top 10 job in college football, possibly top five with the history, tradition, Weather, natural, recruiting advantages, etc.

Kirk is now w USA soccer. I’m happy for him as he felt he needed a change. But nobody was going to pay him what he thought he deserved when he coaches non revenue producing sport

Alford made a smart choice not telling him to kick rocks, and followed that up with a great hire, as the ladies are undefeated and number one in the country

Tallahasee certainly isn’t for everybody. But it’s a special place where you can win big and be handsomely compensated for doing so.
 
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Everything was already there when we won the natty in 13 sans the FOF - so he was already way off base during his initial bashing

FOF broke ground this year

FOF delay = Between the Willy hiring / firing / buyout, Covid, hiring Norvell and Alford getting promoted, the initial date / proposals got changed & pushed back

Conference expansion = I stand by my 2025 prediction as that’s what was conveyed to me again this weekend

Yes, Kirk was shaking them down. He never discussed it w Alford. Colburn was AD when he started chirping (it actually started with Waldo, but escalated when Colburn came on board)

A & M is not, has never, and will never be greener pastures than FSU on this or any other planet

The place is a cesspool of underachieving weirdos who have never won anything despite having every concirvable advantage known to man

Meanwhile, FSU is a top 10 job in college football, possibly top five with the history, tradition, Weather, natural, recruiting advantages, etc.

Kirk is now w USA soccer. I’m happy for him as he felt he needed a change. But nobody was going to pay him what he thought he deserved when he coaches non revenue producing sport

Alford made a smart choice not telling him to kick rocks, and followed that up with a great hire, as the ladies are undefeated and number one in the country

Tallahasee certainly isn’t for everybody. But it’s a special place where you can win big and be handsomely compensated for doing so.
FSU soccer made money. Only program in the country to do so. I’m glad they’ve continued their success under Brian, he’s a solid guy in real life.
 
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FSU soccer made money. Only program in the country to do so. I’m glad they’ve continued their success under Brian, he’s a solid guy in real life.
Very small margins, either way it was not worth the money Kirk wanted

Like I say, I wish him well, he put the program on the map, and without him we would not be where we are today in women’s soccer.

Additionally, when he left, he did not go, blazing guns out the door, he went pretty respectfully, although there was clear tension with him and Alford
 
Yes on paper but the boosters just handed that athletic department a check to cover 100% of the costs and then some. You think it’s a coincidence?
Why would the school keep it on their balance sheet if they can cover it in full via private funding?
 
Why would the school keep it on their balance sheet if they can cover it in full via private funding?
With that thinking, why would schools ever take on debt when they have billions in endowment?
 
Seems very premature, but better now than after mississippistatAl clamored for and got him a huge raise and extension just because that's what other teams do. Did not watch their game last week, but basing a decision on one game is foolish.

DAMN do I miss having Mike Leach around college football. 😥
 
Other than MSU, I don't really see his name bandied about much. Even for MSU, his name is down the list. I suppose it could happen from a domino kind of effect. Some coach moves from P5 to P5 and then Candle's name gets out there.

Would IU fire Allen with 20M buyout? If that happens, I suppose Candle could be a possibility for them. Other midwest teams have just recently hired their coaches so not sure Candle has many options in that region. Maybe if Campbell gets taken from ISU (although haven't seen his once hot name come up much either) than Candle could follow his footsteps again.
Jason Candle record is a bit like Greg Schiano 1.0's 2006-2011. A fantastic year, followed by some solid, but not great years, with the last 2 years (minus the 2010 year) being solid, however, Candle's have been great. Was a huge proponent for his hire when Ash was fire. Now, kind of lukewarm.
 
Hmm, would SDSU welcome back a just fired Arnett?

Can you say Michelin Man err, Michigan Man 2.0?
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Man .. if Norvell goes that’s just wrong.
I’m not a FSU fan, that chant drives me nuts. But I would feel bad for their fans.
 
Man .. if Norvell goes that’s just wrong.
I’m not a FSU fan, that chant drives me nuts. But I would feel bad for their fans.
I'd have to imagine we'd back up the brinks truck if he was approached, but it's doubtful it comes that far

Apparently, him and Alford met in the offseason about this exact topic and Norvell basically laughed it off saying he's happy in the 850 and seeing what Jimbo is going through down there with those lunatics, he wants no part of it

There's a few other things at play:

1. Highly doubtful FSU would let Average & Medicore come in twice do poach our guy

2. Mike has gotten everything he wanted, that Jimbo wanted but didn't get. FOF, additional staff/support, nutrition, buy in from admin, new AD / president, etc.

3. He just got his bump. Making around 7 mil year, state has no income tax like Texas, and he's at a program with actual history and tradition, unlike College Station

**** Of great importance, FSU Boosters are much more on the laid-back side then that of A & M, Gators, etc.

There's a reason we tend to keep our coaches for extended periods (Bowden 40 years, Mike Martin 50 years, Leonard Hamilton 20 years, Bobby's assistants 20 years, Sue 20 years, Lonnie 20 years, etc.).

Tallahassee is a great place to live, has all 4 seasons, rolling hills, state capital, old money, and a general laid back, friendly vibe.

Couple that with fans that have very high expectations but aren't completely nuts like UF, A & M, etc. and Boosters who aren't poor but don't write checks for the sake of writing checks, top notch weather, facilities, natural recruiting, tradition, etc. and it's a very desirable place to be
 
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