2nd Coaches ranking and 1st RPI
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Not looking good for getting bids for the Big at each wt class. Other then 125 and 133.
Why do you say that? 149 is ranked 12, 157 is 16, 165 is 11, 184 is 14. RPI is strong. Only thing missing will be win % but you only need two out of the three.
you have to have two of tbree to get a bid for your league: top 29 coaches poll, top 29 rpi or 70% win percentage. Only two have that. That is 125 and 133 I believe. Not sure why RL and NG not in RPI. It could be they do not have enough matches.
JVB also ranked in both RPI and coaches panel.
Lewis only has 14 matches so far, but is 11-3 so a 78% winning percentage.
Gravina is also 11-3, so he would get a spot for the conference as well.
DeLuca is at 15 matches. I would imagine when he hits 17 he will be ranked in the RPI too.
If they get to 17 matches they will be in the RPI.
It looks like we will earn at least 6 spots for the conference. 125, 133, 149, 157, 165 and 184.
Lewis only has 14 matches so far, but is 11-3 so a 78% winning percentage.
Gravina is also 11-3, so he would get a spot for the conference as well.
DeLuca is at 15 matches. I would imagine when he hits 17 he will be ranked in the RPI too.
If they get to 17 matches they will be in the RPI.
It looks like we will earn at least 6 spots for the conference. 125, 133, 149, 157, 165 and 184.
Because RPI is mostly based on strength of schedule, and we are just getting into the meat of conference schedules. That means different things for guys in easy vs. difficult conferences. Just look at some of the rankings...they are obviously off, and not where they will be in March.
Name a couple of specific wrestlers whose RPI "rankings" you think are off.
While you think we are only in the meat of conference schedules, you guys only have 2 conference matches left. PSU only has two, as well. So, we are actually at the end of the conference schedules. These RPI's are not going to change very much.
Agreed. RPI is based on individuals wrestled not team wrestled, right? If so, RU wrestlers should be fine.
Okay, there is a severe lack of understanding of RPI. Here is something I posted to another forum when others posted similar complaints about it.
"RPI stands for Rating Percentage Index. Nowhere does anything from the NCAA say that these are rankings, and the word "ranking" is not in the name. The important word is "Index." This indicator is an Index, meaning it is strictly mathematical, and it is meant to show strength of schedule. A wrestler's index is calculated by the following:
Wrestler's Win Percentage X Wrestlers' Opponents Win Percentage X Wrestlers' Opponents' Opponents' Win Percentage.
So, if a wrestler is undefeated, as Zain is, but his opponents' win percentages are low, or if his opponents' opponents win percentages are low, it hurts his strength of schedule. After determining the above math for all of the wrestlers, they are ordered from highest to lowest. I would have said ranked, but I know how you feel about that. ;)
So, the only portion of RPI that a wrestler can control is his win percentage. He wrestles who is in front of him, does well, and it helps his RPI.
So, it is neither an indicator of performance, nor faulty."
Another friend of mine, much more knowledgeable than I, also posted some actual records that hurt Retherford's RPI:
"#213 Nash, Austin (6 - 16)
#102 Britton, Jwan (8 - 10)
#180 Leynaud, Brandon (5 - 15)
#85 Mele, Jonathan (3 - 6)
#24 Schuyler, Cortlandt (6 - 8)
#154 DeLuise, Evan (4 - 10)
#187 Smith, Stevan (5 - 6)
#178 Hogue, Seth (8 - 17)"
I was writing my repsonse to Crazy, as your message came in. If it doesn't answer your question, let me know.
I know how they work, you just wanted to know a few wrestlers who RPI was off where they should be ranked.
I misunderstood your question, i thought you were asking where the RPI was vastly different than the coaches poll or where the actual wrestler would finish.
I misunderstood your question, i thought you were asking where the RPI was vastly different than the coaches poll or where the actual wrestler would finish.
From some of the comments and questions here and elsewhere, a lot of people don't understand that RPI is a mathematical index that correlates strength of schedule, and not a ranking. So, they look at Suriano behind Taylor LaMont, and because that doesn't seem "right" to them, they say the "rankings" are wrong.
If you compare Suriano to Lamont's competition this year, Suriano has wrestled 5 guys ranked worse than 100th, Lamont has wrestled 4. Suriano has wrestled 5 top 20 guys, Lamont has wrestled 8. Stands to reason that the average guy that LaMont has wrestled is going to have a better average record than Suriano.
No shit. So for a 'ranking' that is predominantly based on SOS, how does that change for a guy wrestling in the Big Ten conference as the season goes on, as opposed to a guy in the MAC? My perception is that the ranking is somewhat skewed midseason, because guys in the Big Ten, for example, will tend to hit the toughest competition late in the season, while guys in the lesser conferences will tend to hit the toughest competition in early season tourney and OOC duals. Generally speaking. By the end of the season, when everyone has wrestled their full schedule, it is what it is of course.
And to your other point, it is absolutely a ranking. It may be mathematical, as opposed to a subjective ranking of who is best, but it is used to rank the athletes for purposes of choosing who gets to participate in the NCAA tournament.
Again, we are not in mid-season. When you wrote your message, Rutgers had three matches left. Most of your guys have wrestled 20-22 matches or 85-90% of their schedule. Their RPI is not going to change all that much.
I just went back and compared the equivalent RPIs from last year, between the 2nd and final. At 125, the only order changes through the top 10, were due to Gilman and Suriano finally getting to the 17 match mark, which put them on the list 1st and 3rd, respectively. And Laney from Ohio, who also dropped from 9 to 13, due to SDSU's Rodriguez getting 17 matches, and losing three matches during that period.
If you had written your message mid-season, I would probably agree with you.
We have three wrestlers who haven't met that 17 match threshold to qualify for the RPI yet. Gravina, Lewis and Deluca.
Right, and so those guys, if/when they get to 17 will jump into the rankings, but that's hasn't been OC's point, so far.
If you went back and checked, and found that the RPI doesnt move much between early February and the end of the season, so be it. Ill take your word for it, because lord knows I don't have the time to do that. I would think it would improve for Big Ten wrestlers, and decline for small conference guys, but I guess I am wrong.
As an aside, I never insinuated Rutgers guys would improve much, which is what you seem to be reading into my posts. Most schools had more duals left than we did though.
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I wasn't insinuating anything at all with my post, and had no ulterior motive with any of my posts. I happened to have given my copy/pasted response on the BWI board, after a couple of people clearly didn't understand what RPI was. Then, I saw a couple of messages here, which, while the poster may have understood RPI perfectly, were worded in such a way that could cause confusion for people that don't understand it, even though you're not one of them.
