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After watching Fordham . . .

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Get smoked by St. John's tonight without St. John's leading scorer, I will be very disappointed if we don't beat the Rams at MSG. If the game were at Rose Hill, it might be a problem, but RU should win at MSG.
 
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Not sure we want to jump to conclusions....Iowa is taking care of #25 Iowa State tonight and came into the game at 4-5....sometimes teams play very tough schedules early in the season and are young/learning to sort things out....not comparing Fordham to Iowa, but we need to see whether these teams improve as the weeks move forward.

Fordham will look to play RU tough at MSG...RU will need to play a solid 40 minutes to win at MSG.
 
Not sure we want to jump to conclusions....Iowa is taking care of #25 Iowa State tonight and came into the game at 4-5....sometimes teams play very tough schedules early in the season and are young/learning to sort things out....not comparing Fordham to Iowa, but we need to see whether these teams improve as the weeks move forward.

Fordham will look to play RU tough at MSG...RU will need to play a solid 40 minutes to win at MSG.

I don't disagree, but SJU is not a good team and they crushed Fordham absent SJU's best player. Just saying . . .
 
....sometimes teams play very tough schedules early in the season and are young/learning to sort things out.....

So ... RU has not played a tough schedule early, but could one not say RU is young, or at least inexperienced playing with each other and learning to sort things out?

RU's players should also improve as the season progresses, and learn to play even better together, no?

How that translates into wins - or not - does remain to be seen.

In re transitive properties and college sports, especially hoops: The poster who points out that transitive properties do not apply is 100% correct. Every game is different, because they are kids, because math-ups are different, because of many reasons.
 
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So ... RU has not played a tough schedule early, but could one not say RU is young, or at least inexperienced playing with each other and learning to sort things out?

RU's players should also improve as the season progresses, and learn to play even better together, no?

How that translates into wins - or not - does remain to be seen.

In re transitive properties and college sports, especially hoops: The poster who points out that transitive properties do not apply is 100% correct. Every game is different, because they are kids, because math-ups are different, because of many reasons.

I'm not saying this in regards to RU, just pointing out some mentions in other threads that Iowa was going to somehow tumble to the bottom of the B1G, based on their record, vs looking at who they've played.....Iowa is a matured program 5-6 years into a system/coaching staff vs Year 1 for RU....
 
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I'm not saying this in regards to RU, just pointing out some mentions in other threads that Iowa was going to somehow tumble to the bottom of the B1G, based on their record, vs looking at who they've played.....Iowa is a matured program 5-6 years into a system/coaching staff vs Year 1 for RU....
What you are saying about Iowa being mature program may be true, but in about 5 years when Rutgers is at the same stage as them you will have individuals here still complaining.
 
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Let's take em one at a time. We are no longer horrible and we have created a lot of buzz around the program. Things are moving in the right direction and should only improve as the year goes on. Every game for us is a challenge at some level. But this should be a fun season.
 
Rutgers is not good enough nor confiden enough nor a complete finished product to just go out and win by showing, one thing is clear they need full effort for 40 minutes or they can lose to these so called weak teams. I guess people have forgotten Hartford already.
 
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So ... RU has not played a tough schedule early, but could one not say RU is young, or at least inexperienced playing with each other and learning to sort things out?

RU's players should also improve as the season progresses, and learn to play even better together, no?

How that translates into wins - or not - does remain to be seen.

In re transitive properties and college sports, especially hoops: The poster who points out that transitive properties do not apply is 100% correct. Every game is different, because they are kids, because math-ups are different, because of many reasons.

if a>b and b>c ...i'll bet way more than 50% of the time a>c. The transitive property isn't to be ignored.
 
Transitive property doesn't work in sports.

I agree. But, when a team like Fordham, who already has losses to Sacred Heart and Harvard, gets so dominated by an at best mediocre SJU team, who played without their leading scorer, it is a relevant data point. As GreenRiceFIG points out, the transitive property is not determinitive, but it is relevant. That's all I'm saying.
 
if a>b and b>c ...i'll bet way more than 50% of the time a>c. The transitive property isn't to be ignored.

Not sure about that. It may be true if you are talking about P5 schools versus OOC fodder but I'll bet versus other high majors or mid majors or certainly in conference games it does not work way more than 50% of the time.

And to add to that no one EVER factors in the where. Here in this thread folks are comparing Fordham playing @Carnesecca to us playing Fordham @ MSG (not at the RAC) in assuming an RU win. I would think where you play has a significant impact when trying to apply the transitive property to these games.
 
Not sure any team is better that Rutgers until they prove it at the end of forty minutes.

One game at a time.
 
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I agree. But, when a team like Fordham, who already has losses to Sacred Heart and Harvard, gets so dominated by an at best mediocre SJU team, who played without their leading scorer, it is a relevant data point. As GreenRiceFIG points out, the transitive property is not determinitive, but it is relevant. That's all I'm saying.
I guess what I'm saying is that if A beats B and B beats C, A better make sure they are ready to play to beat C, particularly if you are a team with our talent level.
 
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I am worried about this team in noon time early afternoon games. Will the team be awake?
I would not bet on it.

Team chem is different at different times of the day. Right now I have more faith in beating the Hall them Fordham due to the start time.
 
Fordham will play at 130PM too.

How many of our players have played at Madison Square Garden before. I would think as a player I might get up for that. I am not 18-22 years old so maybe the building wouldn't have the same signifigance
 
I don't think its unreasonable to look at the SJU-Fordham results and feel like a loss to Fordham would be a big disappointment for Pikiell and crew.
 
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MSG,,vs a local team.....Playing a game at MSG is..."the bigtime"
(heck..as a fan who has never been to a game there I think its a bigtime to even watch there!!! LOL)
as a player I would be absolutely GIDDY
[banana][banana][banana][banana][banana]:cool2::cool2:[banana][banana][banana][banana][banana]

this team has shown both heart and progress
[cheers]

I choose to think our guys rise to a new level
:boxing::boxing::boxing:
 
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