Anderson, Shea and now Ash

[cubuffsdoug]

Love what I think this staff is capable of but we have an I credibly difficult schedule and still lack quality depth at a lot of position groups so I'm not expecting anything but visible improvement in all facets of the game.

I understand what you're saying, but you also have to consider what other teams are returning as far as starters and backups. Rutgers wasn't that far from other teams. Xs and Os is what hurt this team. If the schemes are right and the players are utilized correctly Rutgers can win some games they hve no business winning. The playing field is a little more leveled.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

We have at least a 4 wins next year. How well we turn around our D and how quickly we can install and run a "power spread" will be on display game 1 at Washington. If we can hang with them and get a break and a win that will get us closer to 6 wins
Note Washington will have no tape on our O and expect some wrinkles in the D as well.
First game I expect an intelligent game plan that Washington can't scout

Hard to agree with the "have at least 4 wins" next year comment. You do realize we lost:

- by far our best player on O
- by far our best OL
- all our starting LB's

...and are installing new systems while adding an extra B1G game, replacing Army with a much better team in New Mexico, and opening up at one of the toughest places in the nation to play, Husky Stadium, against a team much better than its in-state rival whom we lost to last year.

Again, I can't wait to see improvement and a more exciting brand of football, but PLEASE have a little patience as 3 years of lousy recruiting, hence a lack of quality depth, is likely going to to play a major role next season.

 

[zappaa]

He hasn't even coached a game.

He doesn't need to coach a game…we're already better prepared.

 

[RU 77]

He doesn't need to coach a game…we're already better prepared.

I may be reading this out of context, but that is a completely crazy statement. Penn State cult crazy.

 

[rubaseball78]

I may be reading this out of context, but that is a completely crazy statement. Penn State cult crazy.

I agree with zappaa. From what I see thus far, Ash is already better prepared than Flood.

 

[nirrad]

I hope that his guy can get it done because this hire has eerie similarities to both the Anderson and Shea hires. Anderson because they are both well respected coordinators with no recruiting bona fides and we saw how horrific a recruiter Anderson turned out to be - albeit he had the worst facilities in D1 to work with. Shea because like Ash he had a very high profile Coach pushing hard to get him that job. When someone needs that to get a job rather than relying on the body of his work, red flags are raised very high. We saw the result with Shea - also a non- recruiter. I fear that this is a bad hire but I hope I'm wrong.

Don't worry, you are!

 

[Pritz99]

ROOLZ, while we haven't really seen him on the recruiting trail--as far as what he and the staff can do-- I expect (believe it or not) our best recruiting ever here in NJ. I realize this is all speculation (but what else is there to do while we wait for spring) but I believe we'll see tangible improvement on the field...positive media...energetic recruiting....the B1G influence realized as kids begin to believe they can get to where they want to go by coming here.

 

[PaKnight]

Pritz, don't get me wrong. I believe the coaches/recruiters can be from anywhere to get good Jersey players. It just seems weird that the in-state haul is so out of balance. The 2016 list shows 3 Jerseyites and 9 from out of state. Ash has said he'll make New Jersey a priority and I'd like to see it.

You do realize most of the NJ recruits committed to other schools when the previous staff was here.

 

[zappaa]

I may be reading this out of context, but that is a completely crazy statement. Penn State cult crazy.

I'm not going to defend my statement because doing so brings us back to the last head coach and the program he was running we want to forget about.

 

[PaKnight]

Hard to agree with the "have at least 4 wins" next year comment. You do realize we lost:

- by far our best player on O
- by far our best OL
- all our starting LB's

...and are installing new systems while adding an extra B1G game, replacing Army with a much better team in New Mexico, and opening up at one of the toughest places in the nation to play, Husky Stadium, against a team much better than its in-state rival whom we lost to last year.

Again, I can't wait to see improvement and a more exciting brand of football, but PLEASE have a little patience as 3 years of lousy recruiting, hence a lack of quality depth, is likely going to to play a major role next season.

WSU was better than the Huskies last season.

 

[RU 77]

I'm not going to defend my statement because doing so brings us back to the last head coach and the program he was running we want to forget about.

I hope you are right about Ash, but he needs to do at least something before people praise his accomplishments.

 

[Pritz99]

Why? If Obama can get the Nobel Peace Prize without accomplishing anything...

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I hope you are right about Ash, but he needs to do at least something before people praise his accomplishments.

No doubt, however, the OP made comments that made little sense and had ZERO factual backing, hence, the reason this thread has gone on for so long now.

 

[rutgersal]

I understand what you're saying, but you also have to consider what other teams are returning as far as starters and backups. Rutgers wasn't that far from other teams. Xs and Os is what hurt this team. If the schemes are right and the players are utilized correctly Rutgers can win some games they hve no business winning. The playing field is a little more leveled.

at the very least there's NO WAY a team like Penn State should be blowing us out. we need to be competitive with them and Maryland because they are our peers.

 

[Kbee3]

at the very least there's NO WAY a team like Penn State should be blowing us out. we need to be competitive with them and Maryland because they are our peers.

Pedd St. is our peer ?
Please, Al.
Over the last three recruiting seasons...2013-2015....PSU has gotten EIGHT commits who were rated Top Ten in NEW JERSEY by this site. Rutgers has gotten ONE. And his name was Barnwell.
We've got a long way to go.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

WSU was better than the Huskies last season.

Can't agree with that buddy. Not only did The Huskies whip Wazzou (yes, I know, starting QB was out...) 45-10 their final Sagarin were rankings 25 and 43 in favor of Big Brother. Wazzou also got waxed, at home, by Portland State. Yes, they had some good games, no doubt, but we will be decided underdogs going into our opener.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Regarding NJ pride...I have a much different view of that. I feel that many kids and adults in this region grew up and live in a wide open world to them. Some, in other states or regions still live in a world where grandpa did it, pop did it and I want to do it too.
I can live here in NJ, love where I live but I would move for a better job, weather life experience or love I a heartbeat if I had the chance.
On the other hand- there still are some that just want to play for their state school and others like my stepson who was very open to see what it would be like elsewhere but ultimately decided not on State pride but comfort of teammates who grew up similar to him and being close to family.

As for OP- it was 100% agenda driven.

Re-awakening it was agenda driven too

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Oh well.

 

[RU31trap]

at the very least there's NO WAY a team like Penn State should be blowing us out. we need to be competitive with them and Maryland because they are our peers.

Al: Yes, in light of PSU's nightmarish situation 5 years ago and the death of Joe Paterno they're on par with us (right now). However, I do believe that with a different coach they're going to reload real quick. In 2005 they were one win away from a NC game. I believe coach Schiano will be well positioned for that job.

Coach Ash will need to recruit much much better athletes to legitimately say we're a better than Penn State . If you look at next year's schedule, depth chart and recruits I say coach Ash is fighting an uphill battle. I would hope he considers some JUCO kids. Didn't Brian Kelly initially recruit some JUCO kids at Cincinatti to turn that program around?

 

[scarletschuyler]

Cured provides such great documentation for his views. Another knee jerk reaction. What do you say, shall we give Ash the benefit of some time on the job before we criticize him? After all, he's not exactly taking over a traditionally top 10 program, but rather one of the most mediocre ( or worse) programs in the country.

 

[Jim_from_RU]

Hey nuts - I've had several posts about soccer and wrestling so why don't you shove it and get out of my face and get a life. This is a horrible hire by every measure - a non- recruiter with no local ties. Couldn't be worse and you should expect to see a lot more posts like this so get used to it.

Hey sickoflosingRU....you look like a complete fool!

 

[zappaa]

Holy ancient, long gone, of yore thread recovery Batman!

 

[RUich]

When both Shea and Anderson were hired, a lot of people knew little to nothing about Rutgers. our football history was what would certainly be considered Div 2 by any measure. Many thought we were Ivy League.
Our facilities sucked. The state's football fans were primarily PSU and/or Giants and Jets. Nobody could hope to recruit any top players from NJ or anywhere else.
Clearly, Schiano changed the culture and perceptions of Rutgers. We suddenly were a player and getting national attention. Our players were getting drafted in the NFL. These are facts and it makes absolutely no difference what your feelings are about Greg.
Unfortunately, once GS left, we spiraled down under Flood. His best year was with Greg's players and we got worse as time went on. Add to this the scandals both in the athletic dept. and with Flood himself and you have what we have right now.
BUT!!! This is still lights years better than what any former coach ever could have hoped for. The future appears to be bright, but we still have to wait and see what happens to make any form of credible evaluation.
Comparing Ash to anyone is just ludicrous on its face.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

You guys are so cruel.

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[theRU]

I hope that his guy can get it done because this hire has eerie similarities to both the Anderson and Shea hires. Anderson because they are both well respected coordinators with no recruiting bona fides and we saw how horrific a recruiter Anderson turned out to be - albeit he had the worst facilities in D1 to work with. Shea because like Ash he had a very high profile Coach pushing hard to get him that job. When someone needs that to get a job rather than relying on the body of his work, red flags are raised very high. We saw the result with Shea - also a non- recruiter. I fear that this is a bad hire but I hope I'm wrong.

WHAT?! are you high or something? Your post has no validity at this time, recruiting is actually pointing up over last year. Why are you even posting this? You are an obvious troll.

EDIT: GODDAMN IT...why are we bumping old threads.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

WHAT?! are you high or something? Your post has no validity at this time, recruiting is actually pointing up over last year. Why are you even posting this? You are an obvious troll.

He posted this immediately following the hire. Doesn't change much, however, as this has been the OP's modus opernadi for years.

 

[Block R]

WHAT?! are you high or something? Your post has no validity at this time, recruiting is actually pointing up over last year. Why are you even posting this? You are an obvious troll.

Check the date on the OP. One of the benefits of the new board is archiving for posterity. Obviously the OP made a spot judgement that already looks very wrong just 5 months later.

 

[Knight Shift]

Check the date on the OP. One of the benefits of the new board is archiving for posterity. Obviously the OP made a spot judgement that already looks very wrong just 5 months later.

Let's reserve judgment until February. Don't understand the need of some folks need to rub other folks noses in stuff they posted a while ago.

 

[knightfan7]

Let's reserve judgment until February. Don't understand the need of some folks need to rub other folks noses in stuff they posted a while ago.

I agree although I think in this case it may be as much a commentary on an individuals posting history.

Hey, I admit I supported Flood for way too long. It was never about the person but more about wanting to support RU's HC and program. In retrospect it was a dumb stance but I'm not going to hide from it.

 

[Block R]

Let's reserve judgment until February. Don't understand the need of some folks need to rub other folks noses in stuff they posted a while ago.

Agree about rubbing noses. I know all of my posts aren't winners and in retrospect can look silly/wrong. I initially thought the Flood/Barnwell/dance appreciation thing was innocuous and just a continuation of the SL witch hunt. Oops.

 

[Knight Shift]

I agree although I think in this case it may be as much a commentary on an individuals posting history.

Hey, I admit I supported Flood for way too long. It was never about the person but more about wanting to support RU's HC and program. In retrospect it was a dumb stance but I'm not going to hide from it.

I'm not afraid to admit I supported HC Flood, and I don't care if it was "too long" in some peoples' eyes. I support whoever is the HC, and I trust the AD/President will take action when they think it is necessary. Many posters here have some sort of inside information or purport to have some sort of inside information overheard at Subway, and it is difficult to support what is real information and what is just rumor and innuendo. But the proclivity of some to run around here screaming "I was right, you were wrong, you were a Floodie" is dumb in my opinion. Glad it makes some folks feel good. I'm an Ashie now, I was a Schianoie before Flood, and will be behind whoever the next HC is after Ash.

It will be interesting to see if these early recruits stick if we have a bad year on the field and/or Urban and/or Harbaugh start coming after these recruits hard. While it is a new era and a new coach, Flood had a great verbal class early on that disintegrated. Now, we have a whole new dynamic in the coaching staff from top to bottom and assistants like Kenny Parker and Drew Mehringer that are really connecting with and exciting recruits. They also have top shelf experience, something RU did not have in the past few years, except for the one year Friedgen was in the mix.

Things are definitely trending up, and there is no sense to me in looking back and only looking forward. This has served me well in my personal life. If I dwelled on the last two years with a major health scare and things at work spiraling downward, I would be under a blanket cowering in fear. I don't look back and just blaze a new trail forward looking for a brighter future.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

This isn't about Flood guys. This is about a poster's incessant habit of starting threads stating his opinion - without any factual backing - as IF it were fact then never being around when he's proven wrong. Time-and-time again he's pulled shit like this so the fact that the thread was brought back to the top, IMHO, "oh well."

Yes, Flood's class in 2013 completely fell apart, but that was the product of both on and off-field issues and with a team that was expected to have a much better season. Very, very different situation this time around so I highly doubt you see 10-15 de-commits just because we go, let's say, 4-8 again.

 

[Jim_from_RU]

Wish sickoflosingRU would resurface. :uzi:

 

[ArminRU]

I'm sure he posts under some different username like the troll he is

 

[brodo]

Wish sickoflosingRU would resurface. :uzi:

That poster is still around having last posted on Thursday:

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/search/899562/

 

[Knight Shift]

And it was a valid and fair opinion at the time of hiring to go after a coach 1) with head coaching experience and/or 2) strong NJ ties. The sport writers were touting that as 2 important criteria. That's why Al Golden was in the discussion. He was not my choice for other reasons. Now if the OP of this thread is a troll and riles some folks up so much, isn't it easier to ignore em rather than serving his purpose, which is to seek attention?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

And it was a valid and fair opinion at the time of hiring to go after a coach 1) with head coaching experience and/or 2) strong NJ ties. The sport writers were touting that as 2 important criteria. That's why Al Golden was in the discussion. He was not my choice for other reasons. Now if the OP of this thread is a troll and riles some folks up so much, isn't it easier to ignore em rather than serving his purpose, which is to seek attention?

Apparently you missed this:

"...This is a horrible hire by every measure - a non- recruiter with no local ties. Couldn't be worse and you should expect to see a lot more posts like this so get used to it."

 

[RUonBrain]

OP

FAIL

Own it, Dude

 

[Knight Shift]

Apparently you missed this:

"...This is a horrible hire by every measure - a non- recruiter with no local ties. Couldn't be worse and you should expect to see a lot more posts like this so get used to it."

Yawn, considering the source. I don't have the poster on ignore, but basically ignore or ski over whatever is posted. Not worth the time. Although I did break rank with that DNA guy in the Nike thread. Must have been off my meds that day. :oops:

 

[CranfordKnight]

Not defending the OP, but there are people commenting here that might want to tread lightly. I've seen some of our self-proclaimed experts, who are known to comment on everything, benefit greatly from the lack of archives in the past. What goes around comes around.