Absolutely. Feel free to call me out on anything you'd like. Unlike the OP I'll gladly suck it up and eat my crow (as I always have....). That's the difference.
Anderson, Shea and now Ash
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Absolutely. Feel free to call me out on anything you'd like. Unlike the OP I'll gladly suck it up and eat my crow (as I always have....). That's the difference.
Bipolar JIM calling you a fool should be considered a badge of honor. Ash hasn't coach a game yet...geez. Jury still very much out as far as I'm concerned
Not a dumb stance; as soon as Ash was hired, I assume you extended the same loyalty to his regime on behalf of the school.
You don't do the firing. The people who do know which way the wind blows whether fans are going full-Nancy or not. Shawn O'Hara was aggressively outspoken about supporting Flood and they still let him go; I wouldn't worry that your solidarity is going to keep a guy from losing his job who needs to lose his job.
I supported Flood out of loyalty to the school and the Athletic Department, and I continue to show him great respect for all of his commitment, sacrifice, hard work and dedication even now that he's gone. Doesn't mean I want to hire him back as HCRU.
Obviously, you're entitled to regard your own perspective in whatever way suits you, but I believe our community is sorely lacking in character and loyalty and wildly over-indulged in individual outrage, whether it's "fire that guy" or "not MY commencement speaker" or "end football & basketball!" All are symptomatic of the same disease, and it's endemic to contemporary life in America. Some go so far as to label anyone who feels this way as an acolyte or sycophant within a campus leader's cult-of-personality, completely missing the object of our loyalty -- Rutgers, in this case -- in a vain, moronic effort to justify their own petulant tantrums. There, again, is that element of, "it's not enough for me to have an opinion; I must reduce yours to an affliction if it competes with mine" that persists in common Rutgers rhetoric.
No, I don't think it was dumb to support Kyle Flood for however long you did, and I don't think Rutgers was wrong to fire him. I don't think those concepts are mutually exclusive. As we saw, the BoG and President Barchi understood the situation and acted accordingly. Pat Hobbs pointed out at a fundaiser lastcweek that most recruits don't want to come and play at a school where the fans are booing the starting quarterback, because it says volumes about the character of the fans. A lot of people here will tell you that they weren't booing Laviano; they were booing Flood. I say, what does that matter when the recruit decommits and heads off for greener pastures with better fans?
edit: Emphasis, for the benefit of those who may follow.
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Hey, I supported Flood until news of his suspension came out, and what he did to hide his contact with a professor.
Everyone jumper off the Flood wagon at some point; some were never on it, and some stayed on until the bitter end.
But the difference is when people poo-poo Ash's effort and accomplishments to date.
THAT, IMHO, is unacceptable as a true RU fan.
Either get on board or GTFO.
If guys are saying the jury is still out on Ash, then they are part of the culture problem at RU that Ash spoke off.
We all need to work together to raise rhe positivity around our program.
If fans aren't supportive and don't have faith in Ash and want to see it first, why should we expect the recruits to feel any differently?
It's like these guys love to wallow in their own misery.
If you can't be excited about what Ash has done to date, I'm sorry but you need help.
What a great response. I don't remember reading any of your earlier posts but will look forward to them in the future.
I think the point you missed is that everybody here should be allowed to have whatever opinion they want for as long as they want, even if they are in the vast minority. And they should be able to do so w/out being attacked for it.
Statements like "get on board or GTFO" are pretty intolerant of differing opinions. Why should anybody have to "get on board"? Who are you to insist how others should think? Who is anybody here to tell others how they should think?
I fully support Ash. I'm excited by what I've been seeing. But I'm only cautiously optimistic. I'm not anointing him king before he's even coached his first game as a head coach. Nor will I call for his head if we only win a few games in 2016.
Should I have to fear being told to GTFO because I'm not proclaiming him the best coach in the universe?
Tolerance works both ways. I also don't think it's necessary for people to piss on the enthusiasm and hope of other posters. A little empathy goes a long way on an internet forum.
TL;DR: nobody should be a douchebag about theirs or anybody else's opinions
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Funny.. I was thinking that it was good to see this old thing trotted out to remind those that are too quick to judge (and worse, voice it so negatively).. remind them they need to show some sense of patience and decorum.. especially when the guy was hired and was then our coach. We did not need hi getting slammed before he did anything here. At least wait for him to fail at something.
Lets see if he attends the Eric Legrand run/walk thing on Sunday June 5.
http://awalktobelieve.org/
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Why don't we let Ash coach a game and sign his own recruiting class before we annoint him a success.
The first post of this thread and the one that restarted it are more similar than they are different.
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Your first sentence here is key........ So many beat up on Franklin saying he is a very good recruiter but a terrible game day coach...... He did not do the right things to prepare and protect his QB, for instance....and he Lost many games with 4 and 5 star talent.
Now we have our new coach who is now proving to be at least a decent big 10 recruiter when it comes to securing early verbals....... But that is pretty much it for now, aside from what appears to be better off season prep. With the current players.
But We have to wait and see if he has any Franklin like game day faults...... Of course we have to allow for some early on rookie mistakes with game day stuff......
Way to early to be super critical or over optimistic to the point of thinking we are winning the big 10 straight out..... Or not going to have a problem with Washington, for example.
I don't think it was good form to bring up a long ago thread since we have a long way to go before initial concerns are totally dismissed.....
. That said, have a really good feeling the staff will be very good in all departments.
I don't agree with your point of view but will defend your right to express it. There are so few Chris Ash naysayers on this board. I'm a bit surprised that there are any at this point.
Guess there is always room for some Gloom & Doom in the life of RU FB fans. Hah !
Pretty much agree with all of this and have said similar in the past in other threads. In one thread awhile ago about drinking kool aid, I said drink up if you're so inclined to do so, why not. I've said things are looking up but I'm a feet in the ground person and it's all a means to an end and that was winning. When I see that done consistently at a high level, that's when I'll be very happy. However, these are the initial phases of the hire. This is exactly when there should be the most enthusiasm, optimism, hope etc.. This is pretty much the best time for it and if people want to feel like that let them. Also if people want to be cautiously optimistic let them and if people want to complain so be it as well.
Mind you I was one of the people who didn't care about local roots being an issue and thought HC experience wasn't necessary either for a coach we hired and gave all the reasoning behind it. So while I'm a feet on the ground person, his background profile as a coach never bothered me for a second. The debate is part of the fun of being here. It's no fun if everyone is just spouting the same tune. As long as someone says this is how I feel and here's my logic, I'm good with it.
I've said a million times here this is an internet message board, it's not a big deal. If I'm right about something am I entitled to a piece of the powerball? If I'm wrong and am I damned to hell? Who cares. In either direction it makes no difference in any of our lives. Is "internet messageboard cred" going to add any value or "messageboard pariah" going to takeaway any from your life? This has go to be one of the easiest places to participate in things you're interested in and just gloss over things you're not. It's just text on a screen, not a nagging spouse, attention seeking kid or what have you. Take this place for what it is. There's really not much that should be worked up about and it's a great community.
A wonderful phrase, for a player. Not so much for fan.
"Support, observe and enjoy" might be appropriate for a fan.
Agree wholeheartedly. That being said, as has been pointed out several times, the OP spoke his "opinion" AS IF it were based on FACT, which it wasn't, he simply made shit up to back up his stance. That, I'm sorry, has every right to be ridiculed and/or attacked IMHO.
Agreed. When people are overly aggressive with their opinions, then it's open season on them. They invite ridicule when they're proven incorrect.
That was what I meant when I said nobody should be a douchebag about their own opinions either. Um... Except me. I'm always right. So I'm allowed to be a douchebag. :D
Look, Ash and staff have already recruited what appears to be talented NJ kids so we're definitely further along than most fans probably expected. We hopefully get a few more highly rated players. Regardless if you 're for or against the staff, why wouldn't everybody be happy with what has been attained so far. Would we be any better off if these kids didn't commit ? Let it play out and enjoy the summer.
That Coach also had zero support, money, or Facilities to even attempt to complete at a high level., and during that period of time the Big East was one of the premiere conferences.
He was also from the West and had no clue about Eastern Football in a non internet era.
Very Poor Comparison.
