Seems to be an awful lot of joy here in putting down a kid who no doubt is struggling big time.
Anyone else notice Gavin?
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What more fans are angry about on this message board regarding Griffiths is the fans on this board who DEFEND Griffiths, who blame Pikiell, etc. I think THAT is where the anger flows from, and then gets redirected onto Griffiths himself.
Plus his family (father in particular) has been active on social media bashing Pikiell , RU - and see above denigrating and dissing Dylan Harper!! Like what on earth are they thinking, and why on earth do they care about Harper? Seems like thewy think RU should have developed Griffiths into what Harper was rated - and is performing at.
Also, it is pretty clear Griffiths' family was the driving force behind him leaving RU to go o Nebraska.
For the record, before last season started, I did believe Griffiths could do well, and had a chance to average 10-12 ppg as a freshman. I felt from his tape he had 3-level scoring (excellent range from 3, driving capability to both finish at the rim and to pull up mid-range makes). And it appeared he was a good passer, with good court vision. He was tall and athletic, so I thought he could be coached to be a defender as well.
I was wrong. But I am not angry at Griffiths ... jst bummed for RU he performed so poorly - and was such a bad defender he could not stay on the court for RU - and when he did, until the last 4-5 games was awfull offensively as well.
Also, for the record, as soon as he announced for Nebraska, then over the Summer, I felt strongly (and posted this), that he would be buried on the bench for Nebraska. Nebraska never made sense, from the star:
1) Nebraska's coach believes in tough, physocal defense from his players ... Griffith does not fit that mold. Not sure wht Hoiberg was thinking, frankly - Griffiths never made sense for his coaching style.
2) More importantly, from Griffiths' perspective, what was he thinking? It was pretty clear there was no obvious role for Griffiths given the players Hoiberg brought into the program. Nebraska had, and brought in, a large number of WF/2G types - all of whom had better records of performance at the P5 level than did Griffiths. They returned Gary (who is an under-sized PF, but plays WF most of the time for Nebraska) at WF, brought in Essegian (a tough sophomore year last year but a MUCH better freshman year than Griffiths had - indeed, the type of year I had hoped for from Griffiths, but did not get: 12 ppg, 35% 3-point shooting, 4 rpg), Ulis as a tough-nosed defender, the coach's son Hoiberg as reserve guard, Worster from Utah (to be the PG) ... and Brice Williams - their star, at 2G, or maybe WF. So Nebraska had Williams, Essegian, Worster, Gary and Hoiberg clearly ahead of Griffiths, 5 players to play 3 WF/G positions ... they had brought in as new transfers Meah, Morgan and Butuktuncel to man the 4/5 position. So .. where was Griffiths? Fighting it with Ulis for being the 9th and 10th players. Griffiths' best case was being the 9th player in the rotation - or MAYBE the 8th player if Essegian blew up like as a Sophomore.
Plus his family (father in particular) has been active on social media bashing Pikiell , RU - and see above denigrating and dissing Dylan Harper!! Like what on earth are they thinking, and why on earth do they care about Harper? Seems like thewy think RU should have developed Griffiths into what Harper was rated - and is performing at.
Also, it is pretty clear Griffiths' family was the driving force behind him leaving RU to go o Nebraska.
For the record, before last season started, I did believe Griffiths could do well, and had a chance to average 10-12 ppg as a freshman. I felt from his tape he had 3-level scoring (excellent range from 3, driving capability to both finish at the rim and to pull up mid-range makes). And it appeared he was a good passer, with good court vision. He was tall and athletic, so I thought he could be coached to be a defender as well.
I was wrong. But I am not angry at Griffiths ... jst bummed for RU he performed so poorly - and was such a bad defender he could not stay on the court for RU - and when he did, until the last 4-5 games was awfull offensively as well.
Also, for the record, as soon as he announced for Nebraska, then over the Summer, I felt strongly (and posted this), that he would be buried on the bench for Nebraska. Nebraska never made sense, from the star:
1) Nebraska's coach believes in tough, physocal defense from his players ... Griffith does not fit that mold. Not sure wht Hoiberg was thinking, frankly - Griffiths never made sense for his coaching style.
2) More importantly, from Griffiths' perspective, what was he thinking? It was pretty clear there was no obvious role for Griffiths given the players Hoiberg brought into the program. Nebraska had, and brought in, a large number of WF/2G types - all of whom had better records of performance at the P5 level than did Griffiths. They returned Gary (who is an under-sized PF, but plays WF most of the time for Nebraska) at WF, brought in Essegian (a tough sophomore year last year but a MUCH better freshman year than Griffiths had - indeed, the type of year I had hoped for from Griffiths, but did not get: 12 ppg, 35% 3-point shooting, 4 rpg), Ulis as a tough-nosed defender, the coach's son Hoiberg as reserve guard, Worster from Utah (to be the PG) ... and Brice Williams - their star, at 2G, or maybe WF. So Nebraska had Williams, Essegian, Worster, Gary and Hoiberg clearly ahead of Griffiths, 5 players to play 3 WF/G positions ... they had brought in as new transfers Meah, Morgan and Butuktuncel to man the 4/5 position. So .. where was Griffiths? Fighting it with Ulis for being the 9th and 10th players. Griffiths' best case was being the 9th player in the rotation - or MAYBE the 8th player if Essegian blew up like as a Sophomore.
He’s not athletic. Couldn’t defend a traffic cone. But at least he is a terrible shooter.
Get a clue. Second most athletic in a list of him and our entire roster this year. He couldn’t score off the dribble and wasn’t a good rebounder or man D defender, but he is extremely athletic, even more so for someone his height.
Our roster is highly unathletic: Ogbole, Hayes, Martini, Acuff, Sommerville have no athleticism whatsoever, and Derkack and Williams are average for their height, but below average overall.
and yes, GG is more athletic than Dylan. Not better obviously, far from it, but more athletic. The reason GG was a top prospect was mostly due to his athleticism. You have no idea what you are talking about
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The only thing less impressive than GG is your scouting ability. He was a top prospect because he was billed as the best shooter in his class. That of course turned out to be an awful assessment of his abilities.
You literally have to be smoking crack if you think GG is more athletic than Dylan. Absolutely insane comment.
Can Gavin jump higher or run faster? Maybe. Arguable.
But if you think athleticism is measured SOLELY by how high you can jump or how fast you run then you’re an idiot.
Dylan’s court vision, his anticipation, his ability to dribble through traffic, to somehow glide through the paint and get to the rim amongst the trees (making it LOOK effortless) all make him an absolute top notch athlete (why hes a F#*CKING lottery pick!!!!).
Dylan’s overall atheticism absolutely blows GG out of the water. It’s absolutely absurd to even mention them in the same sentence
Congrats. Against a lot of tough competition this is clearly the stupidest post of the year on this board
Ok, vision, anticipating = athleticism and running and jumping aren’t LOL . Embarrassing.
I hated the way Gavin was a poor teammate and sulked on the bench
Being able to defend takes athleticism. He was one of the worst defenders I ever saw
You’re exaggerating. One of Worst ever ? defense including rebounding requires anticipation, intensity and aggressiveness. Mulcahy and Spencer led the team in steals and were among the top in the country in that. Mulcahy was completely non athletic. Myles j was a good defender. Completely not athletic. So no, athleticism matters little to defense
We are talking about athleticism. Take off your homer glasses and recognize that GG is exceptionally athletic…but is lacking in effort and translatable skill
At least get my point right. No, Not As much as the other things I mentioned and Mulcahy and Myles were good defenders and wholly unathletic
No. Idiot.
It all counts towards altheticism. Read my ****ing post.
My point, clearly stated, was that jumping high and running fast are only two measurables of athleticism. If one ONLY counts those two things then one could argue GG is more athletic. Maybe.
But athleticism goes waaaaaaaaaay beyond just running and jumping.
And in every other way possibly conceivable GG is not even in Dylan’s orbit when it comes to those other things that make a great athlete on the BB court
Lol. No, vision and anticipation have nothing to do with athleticism. Unreal ignorance here. Pike must be a great athlete too because his anticipation is phenomenal, a better athlete than Bailey even.
Athleticism is 100% physical thing. Look up the definition. Your definition doesn’t count. Sports require other talents too, sure. GG exceptionally athletic for his size but simply not good enough in other aspects
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I agree.
People here should go lightly on Gavin IMO. Sorry it didn’t work out for him at RU and not taking any pleasure at seeing him basically benched at Nebraska. He’s dealing with a lot of dying dreams. It can’t be fun.
Agree..im not getting it either. He took a chance here and things didnt go right..i wonder if that eye injury was worse than they let on
GG was a top 50 recruit. Don’t think JJ anything close to that
You seem emotionally attached here buddy. If it’s true that his dad is bashing pike then you can maybe see why people are pointing out the obvious.
I don't remember anyone saying JJ could be Big Ten Freshman of the Year.
GG was allegedly going to compete for our leading scorer according to the "board experts".
I forgot all about him until I saw him standing behind the huddle looking bored and disinterested. We dodged a bullet with that one.
Gavin is a better athlete than people are saying. He can put a ball through his leg in the air and dunk it. Bad athletes can’t do that. His problem is between the ears and desire. He’s soft.
Where is his Dad bashing Pike and Dylan lol?
Where is his Dad bashing Pike and Dylan lol?
Gavin’s high ranking has been more of a curse than a blessing for him. I still think he can be a contributor as an upperclassman, but he needs to transfer to a lower conference like the A10 or AAC and give himself a chance.
Not really and i dont pay attention to message board back and forth with family members
He did. He actually looked to be improving on defense too. I thought there was a good chance he’d take a step forward this year. Sorry to see he hasn’t but it would have been painful for us if he did.
Griffiths had exactly 4 games all season as a freshman - out of 32 games played - in which he hit 50% or better of his FG's in any single game: BU (9-15 - 25 points), Georgetown (5-9 - 12 points), SHU (4-8, 11 points), Penn St (5-9, 11 points) ... I guess technically he shot 50% against Maryland late in the year, in 22 minutes he was 1-2 FG.
He DID get some running time in the line-up that last stretch - 6 of his last 7 games .. in those 6 games he got 20+ minutes in each ... when Pikiell had basically given up on the season and was desperate for ANY scoring potential at all. His defense was a bit better then it had been earlier in the year - in other words he was not completely useless and the worst defender in those games, but merely below average ... the players he defended did not dribble drive right past him like a turnstile every possession, but maybe only 1/3 to 1/2 the possessions. In those 6 games he played more than 20 minutes at the end of the year, he was 18-53 overall FG - 34% FG ... which WAS slightly better than his season FG% of 32.4%. His 3-point shooting was 13-34 - 38% ... which was a vast improvement over his 3-point shooting the prior 26 games (24%), bringing up his 3-point FG% from 24% to 28%. Of course, that will tell you his 2-point FG% in those 6 games was a "robust" 5-19, 26% ... prior to that stretch he had been shooting 40% from 2-point range (which is still pretty bad), but that 6-game stretch lowered his 2-point FG% to 37% on the year.
Draw your own conclusions. Mine? He was somewhat improved by the end of the season, was a volume shooter with decent 3-point FG%, but unable to finish around the rim or in the mid-range, and was a below average defender ... better than what he did most of the year. Potential room for improvement, yes - but not worth guaranteeing a starting spot (which is probably what he demanded), nor paying a lot of NIL to.
Totally lost. Myles no athleticism at all. You simply don’t know what that word means. Look it up before outing yourself further.
I am not a fan of JJ either but not sure how it’s controversial to say GG was more disappointing
My guess is you cannot chew gum and walk at the same time, so your definition of athleticism is not relevant
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