I agree they're unproven, however, I would take their head start over a Coordinator that has not been a Head Coach. Narduzzi has worked with worked with less talent than Ash at OSU and Diaco would probably cost about the same as Ash with 2 years under his belt.
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I agree they're unproven, however, I would take their head start over a Coordinator that has not been a Head Coach. Narduzzi has worked with worked with less talent than Ash at OSU and Diaco would probably cost about the same as Ash with 2 years under his belt.
For Strong and Bielema it's too early to tell. I feel that Bielema has already had success in the SEC West and is on the right track. Rich Rod was a poor fit for Michigan from the beginning and we knew that.
Charlie Weis has some great NJ ties. Let's make him the head coach. He's obviously better than anyone else because he has NJ ties
So you expect almost half the board to love him like they do Schiano and close to half hating him like they do Greg and threw in Urban for the undecided .
Narduzzi would probably cost too much to get here and I'd rather use that money on the staff for Ash. As for Diaco, I'm not big on him anyway and never have been. He'd have to prove it to get me to come around and just being a HC for 2 years without anything else to grasp isn't enough if I don't think he's the guy.
I like both Bielema and Strong still and still think they're solid. I think Strong needs to do a better job choosing his OCs. I'm just saying those guys had great records but you see their struggles. Even if they failed at their spots I'd still like them but point is despite their records you see transitions/results from previous locations don't always carry over.
I'm very interested to see the staff that Ash builds and would be further disappointed if he retains much of Flood's staff. Hopefully, he'll bring in quality assistants, especially Coordinators.
I'd be surprised if anything but a couple for transition purposes are kept and I'd expect coordinator changes on both sides.
I've mentioned Eddie Gran (350K salary)from Cincy as a nice choice and if we're really opening the wallet as rumored go for Lincoln Riley (500k salary) with 1M in hand and make OU match.
Lincoln Riley as OC would be INSANE. I'd become the biggest Ash Supporter in the world if he could pull that off. As a first time HC, I'm not at all confident that he would be able to secure the quality of a Lincoln Riley to come as an OC
Completely agree. -When a new coach comes in he almost always wants to bring in his own people as far as his staff goes. I've no doubt that'll be the case with Coach Ash, as well.
You're completely wrong here. Predicting Flood to be a failure is like predicting it will be hot at the equator tomorrow, so it says nothing about your track record.
I attribute that to Urban Meyer's first 2 recruiting classes maturing, as much as coaching. We'll see what he can do at Rutgers
We needed someone here who could lock down one side of the ball and we got him. I like his no BS persona and hope he speaks freely and just goes for it. We got an extremely hard working, focused guy who isn't going to miss a detail. I hope he resonates with recruits, we'll see. In any case, we're way ahead of where we were last year.
Excited to see some crisp defense again. I only wish we could hear his initial thoughts after going through our defensive game tape this year. He's not going to ever be in a situation where he'll be able to improve things as much, one year to the next.
Welcome, Coach Ash!
For the sake of Rutgers football, I hope you're right. We'll see how he performs working with less defensive talent than at OSU
Who says he has no recruiting bona fides?
By all accounts he recruits just fine. This year he is the lead assistant recruiting Jordan Fuller (a NJ kid) and Patrice Rene (RU's 4* DB recruit). So maybe you could say he failed, since Rene committed to RU.
The only comment I have seen was a reference that he was MORE known for his coaching skills than his recruiting skills. But that did not say he was a poor recruiter, just that he was BETTER at coaching than recruiting.
Also, for better or worse, he was the Recruiting Coordinator 4 straight years for 2 different programs: Iowa State and San Diego State. So he has some real experience heading a college recruiting effort - 2 of these for a P5 program.
Additionally, he has been Co or Sole Defensive Coordinator for the last 5 years, at 3 different P5 programs, under 2 really good head coaches, including for 2 years the coach many think might be the best college coach in the country now.
The more I read about Ash, the more I like the hire. Of course, he has to assemble a good staff, and I do agree it is important he find SOME NJ connections in his staff. He actually is more qualified than Flood, Schiano or Anderson, coming into the job. He is close to being as qualified as Graber (3 years as an NFL Defensive Coordinator). Oddly enough, RU's most qualified (by credentials) head coach choice WAS Terry Shea. Sure, his West Coast style and personality did not fly at RU and in New Jersey. But jeez ... before he came to RU he had been an Offensive Coordinator for NINE years at 3 different programs: Sam Jose State, California and Stanford. He had worked for Bill Walsh. He had been a head coach 2 seasons - with a winning record and bowl appearances both seasons. It was just a really bad fit, as it turned out (starting with a 2 week vacation after he was hired setting an awful tone????) - and he may have been better suited to be a Coordinator or QB coach than a head coach. It is true that not all great assistants are going to be great head coaches.
If memory serves, Rene was not a 'take' for OSU at the time so Ash didn't necessarily lose out on Rene either. It will be interesting to see if Ash can solidify Rene to RU and convince Fuller (who has been considered an OSU lean) to join him here as well.
There were coaches out there that would have WOW'd recruits, the fan base and media. To me this hire was more about getting an ambitious, hungry, untested head coach with the understanding that Rutgers enforces the rules not the football coach. You're not laying down the ground rules with Rodriguez, Kiffin or Mullen because they would look Hobb's right in the face, laugh and say "it was nice talking to you."
With that being said I'll support the guy. Hey, everyone needs a break in life to prove they're either the next Bear Bryant, Pete Carroll or Kyle Flood. So let's wait and see.
With that being said I'll support the guy. Hey, everyone needs a break in life to prove they're either the next Bear Bryant, Pete Carroll or Kyle Flood. So let's wait and see.
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what the haters here don't realize is that Schiano is a respected defensive mind in the country. Ash's D philosophy takes a lot from Jimmy Johnson's Miami D and tampa 2 schemes. Schiano comes from that school so it makes. i am expecting to see quite a bit of similarities to GS's system in Ash's. variation of cover 2, 3, 4 on a 4-3 base set. curious to hear from DMAC what his opinion on this hire is.
Only problem with your post is that I was the first one to coin 'flood is a dud ' . And when I did I got a similar reaction to what I am getting in this thread .
Or maybe.... maybe Ash impressed them during the interview process or maybe RU will be able to pay Ash and a quality staff.
Time will tell if he has success at Rutgers or not, but I'm looking forward to building a killer defense again. If the money is there to get an up-and-coming coach and put a quality staff around him -- and he impresses you during the interview -- why not go for it?
Worst case scenario is he lasts a few years until the Big Ten money really starts coming in. Best case scenario is he's the real deal.
Been called many things. Dumb not one of them as you can see
So far the f*cking guy is right
I am throwing in "f*cking" a lot tonight.
Moz is that pissed off.
I am throwing in "f*cking" a lot tonight.
Moz is that pissed off.
When you are right you are right and you have every reason to gloat.
he was a co-cordinator he'll always be an assistant. dont go by his hire in ohio st, look at flood, he got hired by the atlanta falcons.
You quote someone calling you dumb, then tell us no one's ever called you dumb? Hmmm...
I'll tell you this if my kid is college football material, I would not
advise him to go to a school with a first year head coach, at a school
that has to rebuild.
advise him to go to a school with a first year head coach, at a school
that has to rebuild.
Most of those guys, outside of Narduzzi who the jury is still out on, are at programs that naturally bring in a ton of talent. We don't have that luxury with Ash. He needs to be able to recruit, but he isn't going to win games based off of talent. Rutgers needs someone who can win through coaching and schemes. Ash isn't that guy, and it's unrealistic think he can turn into that guy.
