Ben Simmons Academic Issues

[RUsojo]

To punish Simmons for academic issues (undisclosed) LSU benched Simmons for the start if the Tennessee game. Then they brought him in after the first TV timeout and he played the the last 36 minutes of the game....

Simmons is SO good it took him just under 5 minutes to learn his lesson :)

 

[Plum Street]

Right so I assume what sanders did was much worse . Or this coach really has no clue

 

[jtung230]

Or LSU can do whatever they want w/o being questioned. RU is not in that position.

 

[SirScarlet]

Right so I assume what sanders did was much worse . Or this coach really has no clue

I dont know that I have ever encountered a poster where I disagree with 100% of their posts...you are the first. Congratulations.

 

[Plum Street]

I dont know that I have ever encountered a poster where I disagree with 100% of their posts...you are the first. Congratulations.

I am saying sanders must have done something pretty bad to get suspended for four games. You don't get suspension time like that in college basketball . See the OP

 

[goru7]

I am saying sanders must have done something pretty bad to get suspended for four games. You don't get suspension time like that in college basketball . See the OP

Or you have no clue as usual! Hey smart guy , what did Corey do?

 

[Mr_Twister]

Maybe LSU understands that pretty routine player infractions can be dealt with in ways that do not punish his teammates and ticket buyers and the team's post-season goals. Early morning runs and lifting, for example. Mandatory study periods. Cut off complimentary tickets, whatever.

 

[Plum Street]

Maybe LSU understands that pretty routine player infractions can be dealt with in ways that do not punish his teammates and ticket buyers and the team's post-season goals. Early morning runs and lifting, for example. Mandatory study periods. Cut off complimentary tickets, whatever.

Well said . So either Corey did something terrible to get suspended 4 games or Eddie has no clue . Neither is good.

 

[RutgersDon]

Maybe Rutgers athletics has a hard time making tough and appropriate decisions.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Unless someone is in the know EVERYTHING is speculation, including whether it was Jordan's decision to suspend Corey


It is an absolute joke to punish a kid and play him 36 minutes. Sends a terrible message.

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

Kids from single parent homes are at greater risk for any and all of the issues that kids face. Not surprised that Simmons is having issues at place like LSU. It's a cesspool at LSU, and it's very much like a plantation. All of which is fine, just so long as they win.

 

[bac2therac]

Minnesota threw their team captain off the team this week. Wake threw a contributing player off. I saw a few others get 2-4 game suspensions recently.

The OP is comparing Simmons academic issue which is mostly likely missing a class to what Corey did..okay
whatever

at RU we are under great scrutiny and we aren't in the midst of a NCAA run as we

 

[bac2therac]

Simmons is one and done so its going to be different handling discipline with him...there is no lesson for the future because he will not be there after this season. That's the nature of the beast when you sign one and dones

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

Unless someone is in the know EVERYTHING is speculation, including whether it was Jordan's decision to suspend Corey


It is an absolute joke to punish a kid and play him 36 minutes. Sends a terrible message.

Kids are smarter than we give them credit. Corey has already figured out that EJ simply does not have the Chops for the Job. Everything else is simply an extension of this fact.

 

[RocktheRac]

This was not just an RU suspension.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Simmons is one and done so its going to be different handling discipline with him...there is no lesson for the future because he will not be there after this season. That's the nature of the beast when you sign one and dones

That is BS. 10% is teaching player a lesson. 90% is for the program as a whole.

LSU should have given a real suspension or none at all.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Lots offense low IQ guys getting suspended out there.

 

[MADHAT1]

Could be Jordan's fault the way he handled Sanders suspension compared to the way LSU treated Simmons, or could be the way LSU feels, in Simmons case, he's a one & done so why worry about his academics when the kids can help us win this year.
As long as the other players can keep APR acceptable , Simmons can fail every class and leave once the season is over ,could be the way the LSU HC and AD look at it.

Jordan & Hobbs would be crucified if they had an attitude like that, so Jordan makes academics
a must and disciplines any player who fails to keep his academic commitment.

 

[Caliknight]

Simmons is there to audition for the NBA. Nothing more. I'm sure school is about number 100 on his Ttd list every day.

 

[ruman]

This was not just an RU suspension.

What does this mean?

 

[Russ Wood]

LSU should have given a real suspension or none at all.

There's some chatter that Simmons was late for a team study hall.

I'm not sure if that is what happened, but I've heard that from more than one person.

Sanders situation is different and I will have to leave it at that.

 

[Caliknight]

Much different from what I heard.

 

[ruman]

Much different from what I heard.

That's super.

You can't bring Eddie back for the sole reason to keep Corey. Huge risk. You have to look at the whole program

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

Florida has some of the worse high schools in America. Toss in the fact that he's from a single parent home, and well let's just say that it would be fair to assume that Corey would need tons of support in order to be successful at Rutgers.

 

[RUsojo]

This is not a comparison thread. As another person posted, I just couldn't believe a he was "punished" and played 36 minutes lol. Not a productive message from coach.

 

[Russ Wood]

Florida has some of the worse high schools in America. Toss in the fact that he's from a single parent home, and well let's just say that it would be fair to assume that Corey would need tons of support in order to be successful at Rutgers.

I think you mean worst, not worse.

Actually Florida has some really good high schools, Corey attended almost all of them, and Florida has a few I wouldn't want my kid at.

Many kids in single parent homes do quite well, not only in high school but in life. Then there are kids who choose to do what they want regardless of rules then when they are held accountable somehow people are "hating" on them or trying to hold them back.

The "I don't care what they say, I'm not going to stop _____ and if they stop recruiting me oh well," student-athlete.

Just because you're from a single parent home it doesn't automatically mean you need tons of support. By the time you reach college you know right from wrong. The rules are spelled out to these kids and a first transgression seldom leads to a multi game suspension. But when a multi game suspension is handed down that is usually the Athletic Dept saying this kid just doesn't seem to accept responsibility for his actions so he needs a stronger message.

I know coaches that have suspended players from their program, to the extent that they were completely separated from the team. Even revoked their access to the practice facility so the kid had to work out in a rec center on campus. In one case it took that drastic a step to get the kid's head screwed on correctly. The next season was the best of his career and was named Conference Player of the Year.

Some kids just need a wake up call because they've been surrounded by enablers for so long.

I've known Corey since he was a sophomore in high school. Nobody, and I mean nobody, who followed his high school career in Florida was surprised that he was suspended. What people were surprised about was that he wasn't suspended earlier in the season. All of us down here, except the enablers, knew it was going to happen at some point.

In fact when I found out he was suspended the phone conversation went like this "Russ I know you're going to be shocked but Corey Sanders was suspended by Rutgers."

I was sad to hear that news, but the caller was right I was not shocked.

 

[Russ Wood]

This is not a comparison thread. As another person posted, I just couldn't believe a he was "punished" and played 36 minutes lol. Not a productive message from coach.

It's the SEC. In football a punishment means that a kid doesn't start. So he misses one play

 

[goru7]

I think you mean worst, not worse.

Actually Florida has some really good high schools, Corey attended almost all of them, and Florida has a few I wouldn't want my kid at.

Many kids in single parent homes do quite well, not only in high school but in life. Then there are kids who choose to do what they want regardless of rules then when they are held accountable somehow people are "hating" on them or trying to hold them back.

The "I don't care what they say, I'm not going to stop _____ and if they stop recruiting me oh well," student-athlete.

Just because you're from a single parent home it doesn't automatically mean you need tons of support. By the time you reach college you know right from wrong. The rules are spelled out to these kids and a first transgression seldom leads to a multi game suspension. But when a multi game suspension is handed down that is usually the Athletic Dept saying this kid just doesn't seem to accept responsibility for his actions so he needs a stronger message.

I know coaches that have suspended players from their program, to the extent that they were completely separated from the team. Even revoked their access to the practice facility so the kid had to work out in a rec center on campus. In one case it took that drastic a step to get the kid's head screwed on correctly. The next season was the best of his career and was named Conference Player of the Year.

Some kids just need a wake up call because they've been surrounded by enablers for so long.

I've known Corey since he was a sophomore in high school. Nobody, and I mean nobody, who followed his high school career in Florida was surprised that he was suspended. What people were surprised about was that he wasn't suspended earlier in the season. All of us down here, except the enablers, knew it was going to happen at some point.

In fact when I found out he was suspended the phone conversation went like this "Russ I know you're going to be shocked but Corey Sanders was suspended by Rutgers."

I was sad to hear that news, but the caller was right I was not shocked.

It seems from your post it was inevitable, but do you actually know why now? Thanks in advance!

 

[TobyTyler1]

if Corey had the right support he never would have made this:



it's just not a good look with the known character issues in high school. harmless or not, it's the perception.

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

I think you mean worst, not worse.

Actually Florida has some really good high schools, Corey attended almost all of them, and Florida has a few I wouldn't want my kid at.

Many kids in single parent homes do quite well, not only in high school but in life. Then there are kids who choose to do what they want regardless of rules then when they are held accountable somehow people are "hating" on them or trying to hold them back.

The "I don't care what they say, I'm not going to stop _____ and if they stop recruiting me oh well," student-athlete.

Just because you're from a single parent home it doesn't automatically mean you need tons of support. By the time you reach college you know right from wrong. The rules are spelled out to these kids and a first transgression seldom leads to a multi game suspension. But when a multi game suspension is handed down that is usually the Athletic Dept saying this kid just doesn't seem to accept responsibility for his actions so he needs a stronger message.

I know coaches that have suspended players from their program, to the extent that they were completely separated from the team. Even revoked their access to the practice facility so the kid had to work out in a rec center on campus. In one case it took that drastic a step to get the kid's head screwed on correctly. The next season was the best of his career and was named Conference Player of the Year.

Some kids just need a wake up call because they've been surrounded by enablers for so long.

I've known Corey since he was a sophomore in high school. Nobody, and I mean nobody, who followed his high school career in Florida was surprised that he was suspended. What people were surprised about was that he wasn't suspended earlier in the season. All of us down here, except the enablers, knew it was going to happen at some point.

In fact when I found out he was suspended the phone conversation went like this "Russ I know you're going to be shocked but Corey Sanders was suspended by Rutgers."

I was sad to hear that news, but the caller was right I was not shocked.

On the one hand you admit that you're not surprised, but then you go on to make some whole sale excuses about how being from a single parent home doesn't put a kid at risk.

You claim to know Corey from back in the day, and I don't know Corey one bit. However, once I saw the videos that he posted, as well as a few interviews, I knew he was going struggle at Rutgers.

I knew that Corey was going to have the same issues that many of the inner city kids at Rutgers that are not successful was going to have. This isn't even a topic for debate. Rutgers is a tough school for kids that lack support especially financially, socially and emotionally.

Corey is immature and selfish, but he also can grow, but in order to do, he needs support. EJ lacks the intellectual sophistication and emotional IQ in order to help kids like Corey. Just because EJ is black doesn't mean that he's able to help these kids overcome their struggles.

with the amount of money at stake, the most important attribute a coach needs is intelligence, and EJ simply doesn't have the Chops. He didn't have a Rutgers degree, and that was a huge red flag. Rutgers gave him a chance anyway, which is fine.

but it's time to cut our losses and move on.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

For the posters comparing Simmons' situation, to Corey's, you obviously have idea what you're talking about and, for the last time: there ARE regulations in place, set by each school for themselves but that MUST be set, for certain suspension scenarios. Coaches must follow these regulations or, cough-cough, it could be one of many reasons said coach loses his or her job. Bottom line:

RU is doing what they HAD to do here whileLSU's coach simply made a decision for a particular academic scenario for which there are NO set regulatory standards at that university.

The 2 are nothing alike and comparing/contrasting, as such, is simply ignorant.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

That is BS. 10% is teaching player a lesson. 90% is for the program as a whole.

LSU should have given a real suspension or none at all.

That's your opinion, sure, but probably not warranted so it didn't happen.

 

[RUsojo]

I honestly had no intention of bringing up Sanders in this thread and didn't even think about someone else doing so.

What ever sanders did he did and his situation is entirely different than LSU/Simmons.

The fact that the coach actually stated to the public tried to send a message to Simmons and then played him 36 minutes was what caught my eye. No need for coach to bring it up at all, I'm sure he was asked. But he didn't have to give that answer - just give some coach speak and move on.

 

[Pritz99]

It was reported that during an interview, when asked about his academic situation (earlier in the year) Simmons just laughed at the reporter.

My opinion? Simmons never intended to be a student, and LSU said "Oh, well..." When it became known outside of LSU that he wasn't going to class, the coach figured he better do something that looks good on paper, but that wouldn't significantly affect the team and not be looked into very deeply.

Aside from one's opinion of him as a coach, he did what he felt was best for Corey, for team discipline. Regardless of what effect it would have short term on the won-lost record. I'll give him credit for that.

 

[nirrad]

Don't matter he's leaving after this year anyway

 

[Russ Wood]

On the one hand you admit that you're not surprised, but then you go on to make some whole sale excuses about how being from a single parent home doesn't put a kid at risk.


You claim to know Corey from back in the day, and I don't know Corey one bit. However, once I saw the videos that he posted, as well as a few interviews, I knew he was going struggle at Rutgers.


I knew that Corey was going to have the same issues that many of the inner city kids at Rutgers that are not successful was going to have. This isn't even a topic for debate. Rutgers is a tough school for kids that lack support especially financially, socially and emotionally.


Corey is immature and selfish, but he also can grow, but in order to do, he needs support. EJ lacks the intellectual sophistication and emotional IQ in order to help kids like Corey. Just because EJ is black doesn't mean that he's able to help these kids overcome their struggles.


with the amount of money at stake, the most important attribute a coach needs is intelligence, and EJ simply doesn't have the Chops. He didn't have a Rutgers degree, and that was a huge red flag. Rutgers gave him a chance anyway, which is fine.


but it's time to cut our losses and move on.

I didn't make any excuses about how being from a single parent home doesn't put a kid at risk.

What I wrote was: "Just because you're from a single parent home it doesn't automatically mean you need tons of support."

There are definitely kids from single parent homes who absolutely need lots of support. There are also kids from two parent homes who behave, shall we say, irresponsibility.

I don't know what type of support Corey is getting at Rutgers. Last month Coach Jordan hinted at Sanders' maturity being an issue when Sanders didn't start a game(s). Perhaps he is not responding to the support that he is getting for some reason. Hard to say, but I never got the feeling that he responds well to being held accountable for his decisions/actions.

Sanders could have stayed close to home, family and his AAU Coach (who is like a second mom to him) for school. He committed to UCF as a junior then reopened his recruitment a month later.