Yeah but he specifically said he’d expect it to be called almost all the time.
Big Ten acknowledges mistakes in controversial finish to Rutgers’ loss to Ohio State
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Thanks board police, your opinion is appreciated.
Big Ten has power to make it better.
Treat it as a win for both teams, no impact on head to head for the purposes of league standings...
I would be very surprised if the Big Ten has the power to declare a game “a win for both teams”
If so, everyone can go 20-0 and we can all get in the tournament!
If a player has the ball, the refs see it all he time...problem here was that he did not have it, the refs did not see he was out of bounds.... I TRIED reffing a 10 year old league bb, and I can tell you it is easy to have tunnel vision and miss things away from the ball....at least it was for me
Big 10 cannot overturn NCAA rules. But it can do what it wants for its own standings.
I know it has been a while but in the spirit of "BIG 10 sportsmanship" Ohio State should forfeit the win to Rutgers. It's going to follow them also every time their win total is announce.
They can't decide it a win for Rutgers. They can say that is how they will consider it for internal league purposes, such as standings and seeding
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To me I was most surprised they didn’t check the monitor to see if the shot got off before 0.00
It wouldn’t be a good look for the conference if that game turns out to be a material differentiator for us. Examples:
1) Ohio State claims the last double bye ahead of us based on it.
2) We miss out on the conference title because of that one loss.
I mean we all have our burdens to bear. Look at Maryland, they have to play at 9pm sometimes.
No it's not. Very few people even remember that game outside of New Jersey and Ohio. Rutgers absolutely got screwed, no question, but the reason I said it's time to move on a few posts ago is because nothing further will be done. The Big Ten issued a statement saying the referees made a mistake and that's unfortunately the end of it. Rutgers will not be awarded a win under any circumstances.
The best thing we can do at this point is be extra LOUD against the Buckeyes on January 15 at the RAC. Helping our guys get even against that team will make all of us feel better!
Generally agree but I’m sure the BTN people remember and will probably mention it throughout the year.
Officials miss all kinds of stuff all the time. Yes, they missed that call at a particularly critical point in our game and it cost us the game. Had they seen and called it correctly, we would've gotten the ball back with almost no time on the clock for OSU to even foul us and surely won.
However, while the timing of that particular no-call was critical to us, it was still just one of many calls refs miss or get wrong in every game. We could point at any bad call or no call in that game that went against us and claim it was a factor in our losing and be correct.
Officials are human and make mistakes and that's just part of the game. It sucks and all, but all teams both benefit from and suffer from bad calls and/or no calls. While this one felt more egregious than most, it's just another human officiating mistake among tons of them and other than the league statement about it, nothing more is going to happen.
Nor should it. If the league or NCAA attempted to alter the result, then every team that can document a bad or no-call via a replay of their game, something every team in existence can easily do, and can petition for their league or the NCAA to alter the result. And it's not like they will mandate the complete video review of the final one minute of every game just to make sure no mistakes were made. Not gonna happen.
Next time, our team should ensure they have a good enough lead so that no amount of bad calls or no calls can prevent us from winning. That's the only realistic way to address the problem of human officiating.
However, while the timing of that particular no-call was critical to us, it was still just one of many calls refs miss or get wrong in every game. We could point at any bad call or no call in that game that went against us and claim it was a factor in our losing and be correct.
Officials are human and make mistakes and that's just part of the game. It sucks and all, but all teams both benefit from and suffer from bad calls and/or no calls. While this one felt more egregious than most, it's just another human officiating mistake among tons of them and other than the league statement about it, nothing more is going to happen.
Nor should it. If the league or NCAA attempted to alter the result, then every team that can document a bad or no-call via a replay of their game, something every team in existence can easily do, and can petition for their league or the NCAA to alter the result. And it's not like they will mandate the complete video review of the final one minute of every game just to make sure no mistakes were made. Not gonna happen.
Next time, our team should ensure they have a good enough lead so that no amount of bad calls or no calls can prevent us from winning. That's the only realistic way to address the problem of human officiating.
The player acknowledged he did it on purpose after the game. This is in the gray area between a bread call and a rules violation. Especially since the Ruggers kids on the court recognized her ear not eligible and deployed elsewhere.
Fundamentally disagree with the equivalenced you suggest.
It’s really not. It’s like intentionally committing a foul and not having it called. It’s a “rules violation” in some sense, but not in the way you are implying (i.e. that it’s akin to cheating)
The only thing different is that in this case, no matter how hard they try to cover it up, anyone who watched the replay knows it wasn’t that the refs just “missed it” as in, they didn’t see that the shooter went out of bounds. He came directly from out of bounds to make the game winning shot. As the ref following the ball as time is expiring it’s not possible to have not “seen” that. We’re not talking about missing a foot on the line.
The elephant in the room is that they didn’t know the rule (or didn’t remember it in time) to blow the whistle. There’s no other legit explanation.
Yes there is. It's that they didn't want to see it.
I don’t buy that. Home cooking tends to happen on 50 / 50 calls and even sometimes 80 / 20. This was 100 / 0 in terms of whether the guy was out of bounds and it wasn’t really even possible to not see it and also see the player get that shot off which a ref has to do.
In the moment, the ref didn’t know (or didn’t remember) that rule. And we lost the game because of it. I agree we need to move on but this is different from the other examples being thrown around.
A better comparison hypothetical? Rutgers 2019-20 team is down 1 point. 1 seconds left in regulation - JY draws a foul and gets hurt on the play. Can’t take the shots. We send Geo to the line to take them for him. The opposing coach is screaming that they want MJ to take the attempts but the refs “forget” the rule that says the opposing team gets to pick who shoots and let’s Geo take the shots to seal the victory. He makes both - game over. Rutgers wins by 1.
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This. Refs are not intentionally missing egregious calls that get them called out by the league office. Plus it isn't even that useful of a call to miss in terms of impacting the game; the vast majority of the time the guy still isn't hitting that shot.
It all happened basically at once in this situation - less than 2 seconds elapse from the time when he comes from out of bounds to receive the pass to the moment he heaves the shot.
The refs called quick fouls on Myles last time we played there with him, got him to the bench in record time
Even the announcers thought the big ten refs had it in for him
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