Big Ten acknowledges mistakes in controversial finish to Rutgers’ loss to Ohio State

[JavaDunk18]

Was a brutal night for me between Rutgers and the Raiders. Big difference is Rutgers got screwed & the Raiders screwed themselves.
Realize the blatant rule violation by OSU being unreviewable. But if they are reviewing the timing of shot, is it only when the shot was taken, or when the clock starts on the last play? Clearly if clock starts on time, shot would have. Den late.
Hopefully Vitale & Co. lobby this game for RU if Rutgers is on bubble in March..

 

[Plum Street]

Trailing ref was Roger Ayers. Cross court ref was Kip Kissinger. Baseline ref was Larry Scirotto, the former Ft. Lauderdale police chief who was fired from the force for discrimination.

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Thanks ! Ayers and scirotto to blame.
I don’t fault Kissinger . He was on the the other side of the court and not his call. Plus, he must be getting up there in years if he worked for Nixon!

 

[willisneverrana43]

When the refs reviewed the release of the shot they also saw he was out of bounds just before, because it was immediately thereafter
Going forward they should be able to make a call based on that

Going foward? Sure, makes sense. But they won't and shouldn't change what's reviewable after-the-fact. We got screwed by a bad call, in fact 2 bad calls and maybe a slow clock operator. OK. Sucks. Move on. That's what you'd teach your kid. That's what we should do here. Onward.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Trailing ref was Roger Ayers. Cross court ref was Kip Kissinger. Baseline ref was Larry Scirotto, the former Ft. Lauderdale police chief who was fired from the force for discrimination.

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aka The 3 Stooges

 

[Mr Magoo]

Hopefully, we look back at the OSU game as a galvanizing moment for this team. We shouldn’t have lost to Temple or Miami because we are better than both teams, IMO, and they actually did beat OSU. Maybe it’s time to get those old Rutgers teams that fold on the road out of the way and play the way they are capable of. We can play with anyone in the B1G and most teams in the country. I hope this is a turning point.

 

[RUChoppin]

As has been said - if the refs are going to do this, you have to beat teams by enough that screw jobs don't matter.

Leave no doubt.

 

[wheezer]

Going foward? Sure, makes sense. But they won't and shouldn't change what's reviewable after-the-fact. We got screwed by a bad call, in fact 2 bad calls and maybe a slow clock operator. OK. Sucks. Move on. That's what you'd teach your kid. That's what we should do here. Onward.

Of course nothing will change here, but I don’t see what would be wrong with changing play reviews similar to what happens in football

With football, we can change results, did a player step out of bounds , did a knee touch down, did he cross the goal line etc

With basketball, the officials now review the time of the shot and can obviously see he was out of bounds just before and are powerless to rule on it
It would be a good off season rule change to consider

 

[RU MAN]

I’m sorry but if the response is going to be “the refs can only process so much in a frenzied atmosphere at the end of a game”, then by rule make all game endings reviewable so you never have this situation. That’s their job to process everything and if they can’t, go to the monitor and confirm they didn’t miss something as obvious as a player out of bounds.

This! Everything in the final minutes should be reviewed. Period.

 

[RU89]

It was also missed by everyone watching the game. There are plenty of excuses why the call was missed.

What the hell are you talking about. Cliff immediately ran to the refs and pointed to the out of bounds line and was going nuts!!!! Pike immediately said something as well….how is anyone liking your post?

 

[devoted2ru]

These are some of the “best referees in the country! Wow

Ahh...but the B1G never specified what country. -Wonder which one they were referring to? ;-)

 

[AZBlues]

aka The 3 Stooges

Yep. Here's another photo of them.

 

[Knight Shift]

These are some of the “best referees in the country! Wow

#FreeBorowski

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Watching Alabama and Houston. Houston player touches the baseline and catches the ball and nothing called.

 

[Plum Street]

#FreeBorowski

Van dyke got him locked away lol

In all seriousness, Bo is gonna resurface somehere as a rules analyst and torment everyone …another Plum Prophecy!

 

[BillyC80]

that is the precise argument why the play was missed. Officials were looking only at the area of the court that was perceived to be most important. Why would an official be looking at what was going on off the court?

That white box where Holden was standing lit up like the Tom Hanks piano key in the movie BIG.

Don’t see how the back line ref could’ve missed it.

 

[BillyC80]

I don't disagree that on any shot review for a shot clock or game clock, the refs should be able to review that player's possession prior to the shot to see if they remained inbounds. It's like reviewing a TD run to see if the player touched the ball to the pylon before his knee was down, and then seeing he actually stepped out on the 5 yard line - a football ref gets to make that call on review, because he can review more than just the one discrete event.

Seems like there is precedent for this in CBB. Remember when Caleb got elbowed in the mouth and they went to the video monitor to see if it was a flagrant foul on the opposing player?

After review they reversed the call completely and gave Caleb a “cylinder” foul, which up to then I had never heard of. I think something similar happened to Paul too.

 

[Doctorzit]

These are some of the “best referees in the country! Wow

The officiating crew that was on the court is one of the best in the country, but unfortunately missed the call. That statement is what is called an OXYMORON!

 

[fluoxetine]

What percent of officials make the right call there?

99.9

less than 50%. All you are looking at is the ball and making sure you don't miss the important call that will happen between the guy with the ball and the defender.

Obviously all opinion. It definitely isn't 99.9% or even 90%

I don’t think it’s 99.9%, but when you combine both OSU out of bounds that should have been called (the original ball handler and the one who made the shot) I think it is definitely >90% to get one of them right.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I don’t think it’s 99.9%, but when you combine both OSU out of bounds that should have been called (the original ball handler and the one who made the shot) I think it is definitely >90% to get one of them right.

forgetting the ball handler out of bounds.......it isn't right, but I just don't think officials are really looking for players going out and coming back in. Yes it is a rule, but is it something that is on officials minds?

Watched a little bit of Alabama and Houston and a player ran the baseline and had his foot out of bounds and came back in the call wasnt made. Now he clipped the line with one foot, but still no whistle.

When a player goes to the corner and sets to take a 3 where there is little space.....are officials looking to make sure a player doesnt touch out of bounds before the catch and shoot?

when a point guard talks to his coach before taking the inbound are officials checking to see if he is out of bounds.

Don't get me wrong the intent of the rule needs to be there. The court has a certain width. After thinking about it more....OSU gained an advantage by haing the player move off the court. Had he moved to the left of the action it would have moved the defender closer to the action.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

That white box where Holden was standing lit up like the Tom Hanks piano key in the movie BIG.

Don’t see how the back line ref could’ve missed it.

The same reason why, hopefully, you don't see a guys zipper that is blatantly down. Although it is right in front of you you aren't really looking for it.

 

[RUScrew85]

Big Ten to Rutgers: We screwed up in loss to Ohio State

The Big Ten acknowledged the errors made in the final seconds of Rutgers' controversial loss to Ohio State on Friday.

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Why not fix it? Isn't the idea to get it right? RU ball, inbounding at the turnover, 5 sec on clock RU up 2.

 

[RUScrew85]

Agree . And if they say hey we missed it . It’s on us. Then we move on.

BIG needs to do better here. They owe it to the players and fans of theirs schools and sports to be transparent. Own it publicly , take whatever actions and move on

They could move on to FIX IT. They're playing next month. Play the last 2.7 sec. over. Correctly.

 

[Loyal_2RU]

They could move on to FIX IT. They're playing next month. Play the last 2.7 sec. over. Correctly.

At the very least, for the purposes of Big 10 standings allow each team to claim it as a win and not impact head to head.

 

[Plum Street]

They could move on to FIX IT. They're playing next month. Play the last 2.7 sec. over. Correctly.

Lol . Cmon .

 

[kupuna133]

forgetting the ball handler out of bounds.......it isn't right, but I just don't think officials are really looking for players going out and coming back in. Yes it is a rule, but is it something that is on officials minds?

Watched a little bit of Alabama and Houston and a player ran the baseline and had his foot out of bounds and came back in the call wasnt made. Now he clipped the line with one foot, but still no whistle.

When a player goes to the corner and sets to take a 3 where there is little space.....are officials looking to make sure a player doesnt touch out of bounds before the catch and shoot?

when a point guard talks to his coach before taking the inbound are officials checking to see if he is out of bounds.

Don't get me wrong the intent of the rule needs to be there. The court has a certain width. After thinking about it more....OSU gained an advantage by haing the player move off the court. Had he moved to the left of the action it would have moved the defender closer to the action.

Greene it sounds like you watch a lot of basketball and have a good idea about the inner workings. I can say with 100% confidence that yes refs look for all of the scenarios you mention, specifically the corner 3. I see that violation called in many games. The baseline run was a point of emphasis a couple of years ago and was regularly called, which also lead to many fouls being called on defenders that impeded movement and path along the baseline. Watch leaving and entering the court without contact will be a point emphasis emphasis next year.

 

[rubjk]

Thats a missed call that happens in games, bad mistake but some could argue Caleb could be called for foul too...not as egregious as the guy who hit the game winner coming from out of bounds. That is a violation that refs blew. The 2nd play is what meeds to be focused on

A foul would of at worst taken us to OT. All the missed crap hurt is.

 

[fluoxetine]

IUFanBorden on the main rivals board is a ref:

Me:
“@IUfanBorden
How big of a screw up do you think the end of the OSU RU game was? How tuned in generally are the officials to players going out of bounds and coming back in? What % of the time would you expect the officials to get that call correct?”

Response:
“It was really bad...You cannot miss that. Its not as if he was a little bit OOB---He was waaaaay OOB. In that particular situation, I'd expect that to get called 100% of the time. With that being said, it happens a lot---but not to that extent. Just a really, really bad miss.”

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I could see it going either way. He grabbed him but I don’t think it was obvious either way. Yep. Hit him across the stomach and then kept him from bringing his arm forward when he was trying to secure the ball. I've certainly seen it not called but it's not like there wasn't contact and the...

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[RUScrew85]

Lol . Cmon .

What? It's perfectly reasonable and in the interests of fairness.

 

[BillyC80]

The same reason why, hopefully, you don't see a guys zipper that is blatantly down. Although it is right in front of you you aren't really looking for it.

Strange take GRF (least you can do is give me a funny movie reference).

 

[colbert17]

The B1G10 is not going to do anything beyond the comments they've made.
And please stop it with the"this should count as a win for us" comments. As I said before in March the committee looks at this game and will not remember any circumstances surrounding the end.
It will count as a Q1 loss on the road to a good team.

 

[PiscatawayMike]

The B1G10 is not going to do anything beyond the comments they've made.
And please stop it with the"this should count as a win for us" comments. As I said before in March the committee looks at this game and will not remember any circumstances surrounding the end.
It will count as a Q1 loss on the road to a good team.

I have to disagree. If RU is on the bubble, every media outlet will be talking about how RU should actually have one more Q1 road victory due to the circumstances surrounding the end-game incident in Columbus. The committee will be well aware what happened to Rutgers.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Strange take GRF (least you can do is give me a funny movie reference).

There is a movie about someone making fun off zipper being down, but the movie and the scene escapes me.

 

[colbert17]

I have to disagree. If RU is on the bubble, every media outlet will be talking about how RU should actually have one more Q1 road victory due to the circumstances surrounding the end-game incident in Columbus. The committee will be well aware what happened to Rutgers.

I guess we disagree.
But since we will be a solid tournament team we won't have to worry about any bubble talk. :)

 

[JavaDunk18]

Even PTI had a segment on it the other day.
It will be brought up if Rutgers is on the bubble.
This will also be used as motivation by the team through the season
I think we will be clearly on the 6 or 7 line by tournament time.

 

[Shell21]

same crew working two days later makes a bogus call at end of game. No suspension or anything. What a joke

 

[AZBlues]

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same crew working two days later makes a bogus call at end of game. No suspension or anything. What a joke

Just so it's clear, only one of the three refs who officiated our game also did the Nebraska-Purdue game. Larry Scirotto did both games. The other two refs in the Nebraska game were Courtney Green and John Floyd. (Roger Ayers and Kip Kissinger were the other 2 officials in the RU-Ohio State game). And Scirotto had nothing to do with the questionable foul call on C.J. Wilcher. Courtney Green made the foul call.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Greene it sounds like you watch a lot of basketball and have a good idea about the inner workings. I can say with 100% confidence that yes refs look for all of the scenarios you mention, specifically the corner 3. I see that violation called in many games. The baseline run was a point of emphasis a couple of years ago and was regularly called, which also lead to many fouls being called on defenders that impeded movement and path along the baseline. Watch leaving and entering the court without contact will be a point emphasis emphasis next year.

So….Simpson throws a cross court pass to Mag that is over his head. He catches it and throws it to Paul before going out of bounds. Cliff comes out and sets a pick and Paul penetrates and then dishes to Mag who makes the 3.

How many officiating crews count the 3?

 

[Zak57]

Fig you're becoming a caricature of yourself by defending the refs head over heels like this. People have pointed out each ref has specific things on the court they're supposed to look out for. The league admitted they messed up. This wasn't a case where the players foot was on the line out. The shooter was in the stands and back on the court. Bring as many hypotheticals as you want but you're wrong, just like the refs were.

 

[AZBlues]

So….Simpson throws a cross court pass to Mag that is over his head. He catches it and throws it to Paul before going out of bounds. Cliff comes out and sets a pick and Paul penetrates and then dishes to Mag who makes the 3.

How many officiating crews count the 3?

I'm pretty sure that the crews that are competent would count the 3, assuming that Mag went out of bounds because of his momentum from trying to catch the high pass, and that he's not still out of bounds when he catches the ball prior to his shot.

 

[RUChoppin]

So….Simpson throws a cross court pass to Mag that is over his head. He catches it and throws it to Paul before going out of bounds. Cliff comes out and sets a pick and Paul penetrates and then dishes to Mag who makes the 3.

How many officiating crews count the 3?

Hopefully all of them, because in this example Mag went out of bounds due to momentum rather than by choice, and reestablished himself inbounds before getting the pass?