did they think the ball handler was out of bounds? OR the clock ran out?
I doubt it was the shooter being off the court.
Could be wrong though
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I doubt it was the shooter being off the court.
Could be wrong though
because it was a few feet directly in front of the ball
You do know the 3 refs have different responsibilities correct? In this situation trail ref has on ball responsibility. Baseline ref has off ball one pass away 1/3 of floor closest to ball.Ref off ball opposite court has one-two pass away 1/3 floor furthest from ball. Baseline ref sole responsibility was to watch primary receiver of pass whom was out of bounds.
The three refs should never be caught ballhawking and only focusing on ball.
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Can't speak to state of mind - but both immediately went to the ref and pointed to the sideline, not to the clock. Seems to me they were talking about being out of bounds, not the clock running out.
The thing about refs is that they are human, and they also make errors - just like players and coaches do. If a player loses track of their defensive assignment and their man then makes an easy layup, I don't think anyone would expect him to apologize publicly to the fans. Players screw up all the time, and so do refs.
What I don't like is the fan-shielding of refs as though they never make mistakes, or that they should be immune to criticism when they do. We can get on players for taking bad shots, or making bad passes, or committing bad fouls, or whatever - they get heaps of criticism. But criticize a ref and the apologists usually come out of the woodwork.
Some players are better than others, and some refs are better than others. Great players make boneheaded plays sometimes, and great refs blow calls sometimes. Mediocre/poor players are sometimes forced to play extended minutes, and mediocre/poor refs are sometimes assigned to call your games.
Neither should be immune to criticism, though - all performance should be fair game for comment.
Agree wholeheartedly. Use this a rallying point!
Of course i do. So you are blaming one official and not 3....which is fair.
So the baseline ref missed it. Didn't acknowledge where on the court the eventual shooter was. Should have made the right call, but internally not programmed to think the player could be OOB. Now he is.
I am one of those ref apologists. Yes officiating can dictate an outcome. I chalk it up to one of those variables and don't lose sleep when it impacts the game.
I also respect how difficult the job is.
I also respect how difficult the job is.
Wait wut..you just said that refs have to be looking for ancillary play action related to the ball handler, i.e. screens. So they, or at least the back line ref with the unimpeded view, should've been looking at the closest player that could also be involved in the last shot of the game, no? if he didn't "process that a player could be out-of-bounds"--the only other offensive player with an opportunity to make that last shot---then he's not doing his job.
“Go to where the puck is going, not where it has been”. -Wayne Gretzky
My guess is that the ref missed it, and then saw it on replay when they were checking to see if the shot got off before the buzzer. At that point he likely realized it wasn't a call he could overturn, because it happened before the shot - so they called the shot good and took off to the locker room.
Ayres has reffed a ton of games, and I'm sure he knew he blew it - but that he had no power to fix the mistake in that moment. If he'd waived the shot off, the story would be why was he allowed to retroactively call a player out of bounds.
Ayres has reffed a ton of games, and I'm sure he knew he blew it - but that he had no power to fix the mistake in that moment. If he'd waived the shot off, the story would be why was he allowed to retroactively call a player out of bounds.
We have the right coach.
Games are in 3 buckets
1. RU ahead by a few possessions or more late in the game
2. RU behind by a few posssession or more late in game
3. RU within a few possessions late in the game
Move the game from bucket 1 (like Indiana) to bucket 3 and officiating doesn't become an issue.
Unfortunately we are 0-2 in bucket 3 games. Can't miss layups or be in a position to be screwed by refs!
Seeing Higgins/Burr or Boroski coming on the court before the game was like finding out your best player was ruled out and you had to struggle through with a backup. Yes, it's part of the game, but you knew that you'd be in for rough sledding.
Not all refs are created equal - some are truly better or worse at their job than others. They should be just as open for criticism as players or coaches.
They need to work as a team but the responsibility for this particular call is the baseline ref and secondarily the trail ref. Both can’t miss it. But it happened. As you said time to move on.
I understand refs make mistakes, but remind me of the last time one of the sacred cows in the BIG lost a game on a refs call?
In any case this is a learning point for the team, they played a great game. They played like they do in JMA. Keep it up you will win, you are a good team, you have beaten two ranked BIG teams already. Just remember don't let up and don't show any mercy.
In any case this is a learning point for the team, they played a great game. They played like they do in JMA. Keep it up you will win, you are a good team, you have beaten two ranked BIG teams already. Just remember don't let up and don't show any mercy.
By saying slightly out of bounds it indicates to me you did not watch the replay carefully. He went out of bounds and traveled 10 feet closer to the basked before coming back in bounds.
I would have been a lot less upset with a Caleb foul, still a bad team error,making a mistake
That mistake would not have determined the final outcome However, it would still be a game
Refs call a player stepping on the out of bounds line, all the time
But that is the player with the ball
Here, it appears no one was looking at the eventual shooter without the ball
probably 4 blown calls...Thornton could've been whistled for a charge into Mag too
osu basket backline--watching the play all the way--as was the ref on opposite side of court...all 3 were looking right at the play action but the trailing ref probably was blocked from seeing the osu shooter's positioning
Not about time. There was dribbling, passing, and shooting. He was reviewing the shooting, so those other two were not on the table - they were just missed calls. It's like if you're reviewing a last-touch-out-of-bounds and see that the player traveled before the ball got tapped away... you can't call the missed travel, just who tapped it out.
How much time elapsed from the shooter stepping in bounds and shooting?
Less than half a second I would guess, without rewatching
I know it is not technically correct, but if they reviewed that moment and overturned it would have been justice
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oh lol i'm not sure...but after further review the ref along the opposite sideline was watching the whole play develop too and had just as good a view i'd say
Wow, now you can add the Nostradamus of Rutgers basketball to the list. Maybe you can start necro-reviving this thread as well to reinforce your mystical powers of prophecy. Next thing you know, we'll be building temples and sacrificing puppies and kittens in your honor. 😁
Time elapsed doesn't matter. If you're reviewing the shot, you review the shot. If you're reviewing the pass, you review the pass. But since there was no call on the pass to review, it wasn't reviewable (as the rules currently are written). My guess is this is something they'll discuss in the offseason.
When the refs reviewed the release of the shot they also saw he was out of bounds just before, because it was immediately thereafter
Going forward they should be able to make a call based on that
I don't disagree that on any shot review for a shot clock or game clock, the refs should be able to review that player's possession prior to the shot to see if they remained inbounds. It's like reviewing a TD run to see if the player touched the ball to the pylon before his knee was down, and then seeing he actually stepped out on the 5 yard line - a football ref gets to make that call on review, because he can review more than just the one discrete event.
Exactly
In football they can check if a player crossed the goal and if he stepped out
Seems much better to look at a sequence
Trailing ref was Roger Ayers. Cross court ref was Kip Kissinger. Baseline ref was Larry Scirotto, the former Ft. Lauderdale police chief who was fired from the force for discrimination.
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